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Miracle of 19 in Quranic Initialed Suras: Sura 50
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God Willing I propose to include the following under a new section, if there are no reservations I shall God Willing upload it in another 36 hours time.

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Miracle of 19 in Quranic Initialed Suras: Sura 50

Of the 29 Quran Suras (of the 114) that have verse 1 as Quranic initial (Muqattat), Sura 50 that is entitled ق (Qaf) prefixed with (Q)  and the first verse reads, “Q, and the glorious Quran.” As it turns out “Q” (Qaf) stands for “Quran,” and the total number of Q's in the two Q-initialed suras represents the Quran's 114 suras (57+57 = 114 = 19x6). This idea is strengthened by the fact that “the Quran” occurs in the Quran 57 times.

The Quran is described in Sura “Q” as “Majid” (glorious), and the Arabic word “Majid” has a gematrical value of 57: M (40)+J (3)+I (10)+D (4) = 57.

Sura 42 consists of 53 verses, and 42+53 = 95 = 19x5.

Sura 50 consists of 45 verses, and 50+45 = 95, same total as in Sura 42.

By counting the letter “Q” in every “Verse 19” throughout the Quran, the total count comes to 76, 19x4. Here is a summary of the Q-related data: 1.	The frequency of occurrence of “Q” in Sura “Q” (No. 50) is 57, 19x3.

2.	The letter “Q” occurs in the other Q-initialed sura (No. 42) exactly the same number of times, 57.

3.	The total occurrence of the letter “Q” in the two Q- initialed suras is 114, which equals the number of suras in the Quran.

4.	“The Quran” is mentioned in the Quran 57 times.

5.	The description of the Quran as “Majid” (Glorious) is correlated with the frequency of occurrence of the letter “Q” in each of the Q-initialed suras. The word “Majid” has a gematrical value of 57.

7.	Sura 42 consists of 53 verses, and 42+53 is 95, or 19x5.

8.	Sura 50 consists of 45 verses, and 50+45 is also 95, 19x5.

9.	The number of Q's in all verses numbered “19” throughout the Quran is 76, 19x4.

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In order to support the above fact please see the explanations below:

(1)	The Miracle of 19: unveiled by Rashad Khalifa Ph.D. in the Quran revealed by God to last Prophet Muhammad is not an original research. This is proven for example by Appendix 1 of the Authorized English Version translated from the Original by Rashad Khalifa, Ph.D. copyright © Islamic Productions and http://www.19miracle.org/math-miracle-of-quran/.

(2)	The above is based on reliable & verifiable source.

Explanation: (a) It is based on the widely accepted Quran text by Tanzil.net

(b) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashad_Khalifa states Khalifa's first publicized report in the Arab world appeared in the Egyptian magazine Akher Sa'a, in January, 1973. Updates of his research were subsequently published by the same magazine later that year and again in 1975: • ^ Akher Sa'a magazine, Egypt, January 24, 1973. • ^ Akher Sa'a magazine, Egypt, November 28, 1973. • ^ Akher Sa'a magazine, Egypt, December 31, 1975.

(c ) Book written by Cesar Adib Majul, Ph.D., Former Dean, Institute of Islamic Studies, University of the Philippines regarding the 19 based Mathematical Structure of Quran:http://books.google.com/books/about/The_names_of_Allah_in_relation_to_the_ma.html?id=pntCAAAACAAJ and https://catalog.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?BBID=973897&DB=local and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesar_Adib_Majul

(d) The proofs are easily verifiable Sura 42 & Sura 50.

(3)	The fact is based on data accepted by main stream & majority of Shia and Sunni Muslims worldwide.

Explanation: (a) These are based on independent, verifiable, reliable, undisputed Quran data, reference texts commonly accepted by those in control of web sites and Quran printings etc. of Sunnis and Shias too, and widely used by “mainstream” Muslims worldwide - The King Fahd Press based Arabic Quran by www.tanzil.net is also used by main stream Shia sect http://quran.al-islam.org/ - we see following statement made for the Quranic initials in Sura 2 verse 1.

[Pooya/Ali Commentary 2:1] Many interpretations have been forwarded and manipulated by some commentators, but they are all based upon conjecture, devoid of any definite authority. According to the holy Imams these letters are a means of reaching the higher realms of true knowledge, available in the verses of the Quran, but the domain of sublime confidences are reserved only for the chosen representatives of Allah.

(b) The Structure of 19 in Quran is one of the modules (Module VI page 13 -14) taught at The University of Calicut, Kerala, India http://www.universityofcalicut.info/syl/Islamic.pdf

(c) Ahmed Deedat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_deedat proclaimed Rashad Khalifa Ph.D. as the [servant of Islam] for his proving the structure based on 19 in Quran.

(4)	The neutral point of view,

The Quran as we all (muslims, submitters to God) know is the unifying factor for moderate ... Islam (Submission to God); therefore to minimize the extremists and sectarian viewpoints (which would be danger to world peace), we trust Wikipedia would not wish to restrict freedom of information etc., of modern, logical & scientific information to the Muslims – for example (per (3) (b) above), 19 based structure in Quran is being taught, obviously to “Mainstream” Muslim and even non-Muslims within Islamic History. Thus with due respect I submit that the modern facts under discussion are not a matter of any issues or view points or ideas. India is the largest democracy in the World, a Secular Country, and its Kerala State give due Constitutional recognition to various religions to the extent that this relation between 19 and Quran is taught at the University of Calicut, Kerala, mentioned above.

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(DukhanSmoke (talk) 18:37, 3 January 2012 (UTC))

For record following are the mails that were sent to Doughweller

The First mail

Peace be upon you, this is in reference to the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sura_50 that got removed by you twice, first I thought I did not save the page but now I see your comment that says (neither of these are 'see also's). The section that I intend to include on the article have been put on the discussion and as I am new at Wikipedia I would appreciate your guidance as to how can I get the section that I God Willing intend to be put on the page of Sura 50 as this section is specific and very relevant to this title of the Wikipedia.

Look forward to your reply and appreciate your early reply.

Peace

The Second Mail

Peace be upon you, with reference to my last mail few minutes back for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sura_50 I think now I realize the step that I was doing incorrectly, this time I have followed the link on the page that says to "expand it". Trust I have done it right this time, however would look forward to your guidance. Peace

(DukhanSmoke (talk) 18:19, 5 January 2012 (UTC))