Talk:Qamishli

Demographics (Syriac)???
The demographic section needs to be fixed, there is a problem when it says that there is a presence of Aramean-Syriacs, there are no sources available for that. The source which is given [2] says the following about the demographics:

"Qamishli has one of the most mixed populations in Syria, with large groups of Armenians, Assyrian Christians and Kurds, in addition to Sunni Muslims, Syriac-speaking Christians and a small community of Jews."

There is no mention of Arameans in that source, and there is a mention of Assyrian population, while in the article Assyrians are not mentioned...I advise u to change that! Malik Danno (talk) 01:41, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree, it says Assyrians. Im going to change that now --WestAssyrian (talk) 17:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Your source is LookLex, an article written by this guy Tore Kjeilen, who only mentions Assyrian Christians, and either way, please, use a reliable source. Not some article written by some dude who was written, what seems, all articles in that un-reliable encyclopedia of his. The TriZ (talk) 00:23, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Qamishli belongs to Assyria
Heja, Wikipedia's goal is to tell the truth. Not political made up rubbish. Those are the rules of Wikipedia. Qamishli belongs to Assyria. The present Syrian Arab presence is only occupation. This is a truth all scholars are agree about. Qamishli don't belong to Kurdistan, neither now or in history. //Alfa.


 * And what scholars are they? Also we must remember that Kurdistan and Assyria converge with eachother. For you to say that the statement that Qamíshlo is in Kurdistan is "political made up rubbish" makes also the statement that Qamíshlo is in Assyria political made up rubbish.
 * What makes Qamíshlo belong to Assyria and not Kurdistan? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.65.150.58 (talk) 20:59, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The city's population is mostly kurdish, and right now, the Kurdish YPG controls much of the city. The Syriac Sutoro controls several Syraic neighbor hoods, but Most of the city is under the control of the Assad Regime or the YPG

Name
Is the name Qamishli or Al Qamishli? Just curious because of the photo in the article. Baristarim 05:18, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Al Qamishli. Move in progress. Thank you! - An as Talk? 12:07, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I requested it to be moved in WP:RM. The Al Qamishli space is occupied. - An as Talk? 12:18, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Once moved, do you then want Qamishli to redirect to Al Qamishli, or is that not necessary? Bubba hotep 12:29, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I've performed the move as requested. Just let me know if you still want the Qamishli redirect in there still. :) Bubba hotep 12:38, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, It would be appropriate to leave it as a redirect page, just as it is now. Thanks Bubba! :-) - An as talk? 12:57, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

we as resident of Qamishli we no there was 100 years ago nation called Assyrians or syriacs  nation, but nowadays nobody left ,just a few hundred of them in the world ,and most of them even they forget their language, and they are interfused them self as Arab nation not Assyrian nation ,we would like as Kurdish people to help them but they heat Kurdish people and they said we are arab ,maybe because they have full right in Syria, so what kind of right they want for few  hundred Asyriacs refugee who arrived from Turkey and Iraq Transit from Syria  to Europe ,which they went to America and Canada and Europe to ask asylum .even a few hundred which they still in Syria they are happy with arab indefication,and they help Syrian government to fight and to do all crime against Kurdish residents. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohamme (talk • contribs) 16:08, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

remove "WikiProject Kurdistan"
someone should remove WikiProject Kurdistan from this Syrian city. Al Qamishly belongs to the Syrian Arab Republic. kurdish immigrants came from turkey and tried to steal the city to the made up fake country "kurdistan"

These dangerous claims must be stopped. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.228.102.136 (talk) 09:38, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * First, it's a project so I don't what's offensive about that. Second, what is the world could be dangerous for this to be tagged with a Kurdistan topic? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 01:10, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Kurds are newly arrived in kamishli, 100 years ago there was virtually no kurds there. The land is historically Syriac and has nothing to do with "kurdistan". "Kurds expelled to Syria by Turkey during the first decades of the 20th century have found a home in Syria" http://creativesyria.com/discussion/topicpost.php?TopicAuthorID=23&TopicID=28 these kurds settled in Kamishli, Derike and Hassake, these lands has NEVER been kurdish. Kurds are stealing Syriac/Syrian soil and falsifying history. Check all the ancient remainings in the area it is all Syriac and Assyrian.

So if Kurds came to Qamishli in the last 100 years, which is true, what do you imply? that it was populated by Arabs? Assyrians? Qamishli (lo)...belong to everyone because it was never a property to anyone! All the people in Qamishli and Cazira region in General are but a bunch of immigrants! only Arabs are the excption since they were planted there by the government. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.238.68.51 (talk) 00:21, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Non English source
Hi Rekatodr,

Your contribution does not follow WP:V rules. Please check the subject of "Non-English sources" It says " Where editors use non-English sources, they should ensure that readers can verify for themselves the content of the original material and the reliability of its author/publisher." So you more than welcome to keep your contribution, but you have to source an english source or provide a translation from a verifiable and credible website. As is, your information cannot not be verified.George Al-Shami (talk) 21:24, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, regarding Jews in Syria, in a few seconds I could find this informative source in English.
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=cT16EWF9I4cC&pg=RA1-PA91&dq=jews+in++syria&sig=BOVc7sZpxdJWV-mcVf0Y8jP7iaI#PRA1-PA91,M1
 * The facts that Kurds and Jews in are largely harrassed in Syria is not something naive. Sharishirin (talk) 21:37, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Ther is only 30 Jews left in Syria and they live in Damascus, and they are not harassed, they can leave whenever they want. --85.229.131.54 (talk) 15:01, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

This is complete garbage and lies. Kurds came to Hassake and Qamishli during the last days of the ottoman empire. Qamishli is originally Syriac and Armenian. Kurds are newly arrived in kamishli, 100 years ago there was virtually no kurds there. The land is historically Syriac and has nothing to do with ''"kurdistan". "Kurds expelled to Syria by Turkey during the first decades of the 20th century have found a home in Syria"'' http://creativesyria.com/discussion/topicpost.php?TopicAuthorID=23&TopicID=28 these kurds settled in Kamishli, Derike and Hassake, these lands has NEVER been kurdish. Kurds are stealing Syriac/Syrian soil and falsifying history. Check all the ancient remainings in the area it is all Syriac and Assyrian.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 14:34, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * In my opinion, there are significant problems in this section that should be addressed, and point of view is not as neutral as it could be. I'm neither Kurdish nor Syrian, and am relying on the available sources, but it seems to me that the section definitely needs a rewrite- in addition to the obvious spelling and grammar problems, phrases like "secret capital of the Kurds" and "Kurds want to revive the riot memory" are obvious problems.   It seems to me that a paragraph that explains the conflict between Kurds and Syrians in this area clearly and simply would be more useful than a riot-by-riot account of each incident for readers who are interested in information about Al Qamishli, but I am not sure that I understand the conflict well enough to explain it simply.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 14:06, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Kurds are newly arrived in kamishli, 100 years ago there was virtually no kurds there. The land is historically Syriac and has nothing to do with "kurdistan". "Kurds expelled to Syria by Turkey during the first decades of the 20th century have found a home in Syria" http://creativesyria.com/discussion/topicpost.php?TopicAuthorID=23&TopicID=28 these kurds settled in Kamishli, Derike and Hassake, these lands has never been kurdish. Kurds are stealing Syriac/Syrian soil and falsifying history.

Al Qamishli is historically Syriac and Armenian, not kurdish
Kurds came to Hassake and Qamishli during the last days of the ottoman empire. Qamishli is originally Syriac and Armenian. Kurds are newly arrived in Qamishli, 100 years ago there was virtually no kurds there. The land is historically Syriac and has nothing to do with ''"kurdistan". "Kurds expelled to Syria by Turkey during the first decades of the 20th century have found a home in Syria"'' http://creativesyria.com/discussion/topicpost.php?TopicAuthorID=23&TopicID=28 these kurds settled in Qamishli, Derike and Hassake, these lands has NEVER been kurdish. Kurds are stealing Syriac/Syrian soil and falsifying history. Check all the ancient remainings in the area it is all Syriac and Assyrian.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 14:35, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I second that.Supreme Deliciousness is 100% right. I do know that in Arabic they always refer to the people of Qamishli as "السريان . You don't have to know Arabic to translate this, copy the Arabic noun in parenthesis and paste it in the Google language box. Choose Arabic and English; when you click on the translate icon, you will see "Syriacs".Supreme Deliciousness knows what s/he is talking about in this article. I spoke to a Syriac who lived in the Qamishli in the 1960s, when I asked her about the Kurds; she told me that there were barely any Kurds at that time.George Al-Shami (talk) 02:20, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Al Qamishli is an Aramean city
Al Qamishli was founded in 1926 by Arameans (Syriacs) who had fled from persecution from the Ottoman Empire. More Armenian and Kurdish refugees arrived in the following decades. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.234.33.210 (talk) 10:05, 25 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Which is mentioned; The city was founded by Assyrians/Syriacs fleeing Seyfo in modern Turkey. Shmayo (talk) 18:44, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Rename to Qamishli

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:46, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Al-Qamishli → Qamishli – Arabic proper nouns usually lose the article so we have Mosul instead om Al-Mosul and Basra instead of Al-Basra. Also per WP:COMMONNAME: -- R a f y  talk 17:43, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
 * "Qamishli" -"Al-Qamishli" 477
 * "Al-Qamishli" 313
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Syrian Civil War
It would be appropriate to note that There have been clashes within the city during the Syrian Civil War. These clashes were mostly between Kurdish Groups like the YPG, along with their Assyrian Allies, and the Syrian Government, and the Kurds and Assyrians now control around 80% of the city, but the situation is still stable. It should also be noted that the Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham detonated a Car bomb in a Kurdish controlled part of the city in early December 2013 Brendanww2 (talk) 19:18, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Control
Al-Qamishli is the second largest city in Al-Hasakah governorate and since 2013 it is regarded as the capital of Syrian Kurdistan, the Assyrians/Syriacs also claim it to be a community capital.

That sounds like the city would be under control of the Kurds while on the Commons maps it seems like the city would be still under Assads control. --2A02:908:C31:A600:C20:ACEA:E9EF:30FE (talk) 01:18, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Assyrian propaganda
I was just Reading the articel about al qamishli, and i saw that the first inhabitants are Assyrian/syriac ? That is just propaganda. my family came from nusaybin as one of the first Armenian/Aramean family. al qamishli is built by the syriac aramaic community. wich research shows that it is assyrian, and if assyrian and syriac are a synonym why mentioned it twice as Assyrian/Syriac. Wikipedia has many propaganda on it's site it really needs to be fixed. (User talk:Ayatollah_khamenei) 22:22, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Category:Rojava should be in the article
Without stating reasons, one editor persistently deletes Category:Rojava from the article. However, a Google search for the combination of "Rojava" and "Qamishli" earns no less than 210.000 results. Almost all English language media mentions of Qamishli concern the fact that it is de facto capital of de facto Rojava Federation. There are explicit references for major international media calling Qamishli the (de facto) capital of the (de facto) Rojava Federation in this article. And Wikipedia readers who browse the "Rojava" category deserve to be made aware of this article here. -- 2A1ZA (talk) 13:31, 19 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Still, a Google search means nothing, as may be 90% of the results would be mirrors of the articles you are faking on Wikipedia. And, you didn't answer my previous request to show "international unbiased media" talking about al-Qamishli as capital of the Kurdish proclaimed entity. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 04:14, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 12 January 2018
"Qamishli is an ethnically mixed city, inhabited predominantly by Arabs, Assyrians," ---> change to "Qamishli is an ethnically mixed city, inhabited predominantly by Arabs, Assyrians/Syriacs," SyrOrt123 (talk) 12:24, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Yellow check.svg Partly done: The word Assyrians is hyperlinked to Assyrians which says "Assyrian people (Syriac: ܐܫܘܪܝܐ‎), or Syriacs..." it's then followed by a further hyperlink to a large article on Terms for Syriac Christians. I have therefore placed a note next to the first use of that term in this section so make it easier to reach the Terms for Syriac Christians. Assyrians is used 17 times in the article, and having Assyrians/Syriacs each time would be overloading. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:57, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

It would be enough to mention it one time->, "Qamishli is an ethnically mixed city, inhabited predominantly by Arabs, Assyrians/Syriacs", and then rest of the text keep the name "Assyrian" if "Assyrian/Syriac" would be to overloading. SyrOrt123 (talk) 13:30, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

==== please add this Category: "Category:Divided cities on the Turkish-Syrian border" to this article161.253.75.216 (talk) 18:56, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

. MN1029 (talk) 12:19, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Foundation, demographic changes etc.
Saying Qamishli was founded by Assyrians contradicts the narrative that it was established as a train station and the city grew up around it. Saying the Kurds who make up the majority since the 1970s came from Turkey and Iraq instead of from the surrounding countryside as part of Syria's urbanisation is a lazy trope often used by the Baathists to justify land seizure and latterly by Erdogan to justify ethnic cleansing. Konli17 (talk) 03:22, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't see contradiction between starting as a railway station (when the border was laid between Syria and Turkey leaving Nusaybin in Turkey and its railway station Syria. Where is your source to Kurds representing the majority of the population? You may also want to read this 1953 document to know where most Kurds in al-Jazira province came from (Turkey). The demographics you are seeing today do not represent how things were 100 years ago. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 17:35, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * There are a lot of sources in the Kurds in Syria article that directly contradict your theory. The gist of them seems to be that about 10% of Kurds in al-Jazira are of Northern Kurdish descent, and their ancestors settled in the 1920s, not the 1950s. I've had a quick search for a demographic breakdown of Qamishli's modern population and can't find one. Do you have one? My understanding is that Qamishli had a Christian majority until the 1970s, and since then it has had a Kurdish majority. Do you believe Kurds are not in the majority in the city? Konli17 (talk) 01:55, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Amr? Konli17 (talk) 16:35, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Amr? Konli17 (talk) 22:06, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Amr? Konli17 (talk) 17:53, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Dubious sources
Sargon, the text you inserted has pretty dubious sources, one of which seems to be based on the other. Can you find better sources? It's also undue, given the size of the section. Konli17 (talk) 22:07, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Sargon? Konli17 (talk) 17:22, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Direct Manipulation of sources
The section of "demographics" contains a table whom i uploaded, i quoted the source and now someone manipulated the source and now the article is locked for me to edit back. The source which you can see for yourself mentions "Christians" as being 14,100 while someone changed Christian to Assyrian, while assyrian is already a section of the table and christian is another one refering to other christians that are not assyrians such as Syriac orthodox arameans etc.

The table on wikipedia: Arabs	Kurds	Assyrians	Armenians 7990	5892	 14,140	         3500

The table from the Source:

Arabs	Kurds	Christians	Armenians     Assyrians 7990	5892	 14,140	  3500

The reason the table of the source says zero assyrians is because it refers to the assyrian nestorian settlers of the Khabour river. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GabbeL2 (talk • contribs) 16:25, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Qamishli or Al-Qamishli?
The official Arabic name is Al-Qamishli, not Qamishli. Should we change this or leave it as it is? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Syrian91 (talk • contribs) 18:58, 23 February 2022 (UTC)