Talk:Qing invasion of Joseon

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After the first Manchu expedition to Korea, the Joseon Dynasty remained unfaithful to the Manchus.

Korea was under no obligation to be "faithful" to the Manchus. It's 2004, Nanshu. Did you really have to write this article from a 17th-century Manchu point of view? I didn't change the article because you would just revert it. --Sewing 14:59, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Korea became a client state
Chosun Dynasty was longer then Qing Dynasty. Chosun Dynasty lasted 500 years. Korea and Korean exist today what about Manchu and Qing Dynasty. In the end Manchu's became a client to Korea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.63.207.51 (talk) 12:28, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Korea became a client state to China after Second Manchu invasion of Korea The article does not clearly mention about Korean's client state to Sino-China. Korea became independent after the Treaty of Shimonoseki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samjeondo_Monument http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeongeunmun_Gate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Shimonoseki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_Gate

One of the oldest korean flag clearly states "大清国属 高麗国旗". It translate "属 belongs" to "大清国 The Great Sino" "高麗国旗 Korean flag" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_old_Korea.jpg


 * I wonder why Manchu decided not to colonize korea and set up their ruling family there, as they did in China. This is interesting because they kept expanding and colonizing other areas such as Tibet, Taiwan, etc... Optimus2005 (talk) 15:09, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

I really wish that we could have more consistency in romanization in regard to Korean articles on Wikipedia. The use of two romanization systems really limits the usefulness of these entries. As a native speaker, I understand that the revised romanization is attractive, but this is not the romanization that is used in English and in English language academia. Revised romanization is most useful for Korean speakers of English, actually. If we are creating these entries to be of greater use to the larger community, I think we should stick to McCune Reischauer romanization (yes, it's imperfect, like all romanization) and keep to it, instead of the random romanization people use in these pages. And please, check grammar! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.175.17.216 (talk) 18:32, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

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More than 10,000 Korean women were taken as prisoners for Qing army according to the annals of the Josean Dynasty
Is the estimate more than 10,000 Korean women were taken prisoner ? According to this source: [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=p3yW5MdzKnUC&pg=PA114&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false Pae-yong Yi (2008). Women in Korean History 한국 역사 속의 여성들]

Although it said " Many Korean women were kidnapped and were raped at the hand of the Qing forces, and as a result were unwelcomed by their families even if they were released by the Qing after being ransomed " it doesn't put the estimate number.

According to the "The annals of the Joseon Dynasty depict more than 10,000 women wailing toward King Inko and his evacuation in the Naham Mountait fortress..............given all these women captured in the capital area alone. it can be easily imaged how many women were taken prisoner across the country. It talks of Korean women being raped by Qing forces.Vamlos (talk) 17:51, 18 October 2020 (UTC)


 * '"우리 임금이시여, 우리 임금이시여. 우리를 버리고 가십니까."

하였는데, 길을 끼고 울며 부르짖는 자가 만 명을 헤아렸다. 인정(人定) 때가 되어서야 비로소 서울에 도달하여 창경궁(昌慶宮) 양화당(養和堂)으로 나아갔다.' by 'The annals of the Joseon Dynasty' http://sillok.history.go.kr/id/kpa_11501030_002 => many of the resources available on-line also contain erroneous or biased information. 10,000 women did`t exist. No further information about gender is available at this stage. They are probably men.
 * I know what I want to show you.

「아배(我輩)가 고려(高麗)를 정(征)하여, 부녀(婦女) 수만인(數萬人)을 노략(擄)하였는데, 실절(失節/절개를 잃음)한 자(者)가 없었는데, 어찌 당당(堂堂)한 중국(中國)은 무치(無恥/부끄러움이 없음)이 이에 이르렀는가?」 'Korean women committed suicide to keep their virginity. but Chinese women allowed their bodies for Manchuria army.' by 揚州十日記 (양주십일기)-上-
 * Please keep in mind about it. You have very negative perception about Korean women.Skyslandscanner (talk) 09:36, 20 October 2020 (UTC)