Talk:Quartz crystal microbalance

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There's also a separate stub Piezoelectric microbalance on the same item -- or at least, as far as I know it's pretty much the same item. I don't use them myself. :) If nobody objects I can merge that one to this one. Jaeger5432 22:49, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, they are the same thing and should be merged. Cardamon 21:28, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Added a bit of clarification on what the dissipation is measuring. DJ 82.5.59.115 19:20, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

How is frequency measured?
Is there a feedback loop of electronics that detects the actual frequency of the crystal? A secondary counting crystal? 206.197.62.9 14:38, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

--> The Quartz Crystal Microbalance is used as the frequency determining component in an oscillator circuit Nano Dan 13:27, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Major Edit
This article is currently just a little stub. I use these oscillators on a daily basis and have written a short, referenced document on the background and use of the balances and if no one objects I would like to replace this stub with that document; properly edited and formatted for wikipedia of course. Nano Dan 13:30, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * This might be a very good idea.  It's hard to have an opinion without seeing your document.  I assume it is free of any copyright issues?  If the present article contains any information not in your document, it might be  better if the two were merged.  Cardamon 20:48, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I will look into any copyright issues on images and statistics contained within before I post up the document for you guys to check out. This might take a few weeks. Also, the document is four pages so I might need some help trimming it down once it goes up. Nano Dan 13:59, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll be looking forward to it. One possibility would be to make a  work in progress (wip) subpage of your user page, and put it on there to work on before it goes live.  Cardamon 08:47, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok I typed up a shortened version and its up on my user page, look at it and help with editing Nano Dan 15:34, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll look at it in more detail later when I have more time. For now, I've made a minor edit to it, and I'll give you a few quick reactions to it.  The name of the thing being written about should be worked into the first or second sentence of a Wikipedia article.  Some of the introductory material about piezoelectricity can be left to the piezoelectricity article.  Also, notice that there is already a small article about the Sauerbrey equation.  Your essay contains good material on how QCMs are used and on AT -cut and SC crystals. Adding material on the z-match method is also a good idea.  I haven't added figures yet myself, but around here people are very concerned that figures not have any copyright issues. Cardamon 22:46, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks for the info... this is my first real contribution here so I'm not completely familiar with policy. I made some changes to the article, removing the discussion on piezoelectricity and leaving the link to the article on that topic.  I modified the existing introductory paragraph for the QCM and incorporated it into my article  I had a look at the sauerbrey equation article and its pretty slim.  I would recommend merging what I have regarding the sauerbrey equation and z-match method into the sauerbrey equation article. Nano Dan 17:44, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

(undent) Overall, the rewrite is a significant improvement. I would like to put the references into  "Notes" form, which is currently the preferred format. Does anyone object? Cardamon 18:14, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No objection Nano Dan 23:12, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I combined the existing article with a major expansion (cf. the following section "additional article on QCM", that was from my IP) to a | new article. If nobody objects, I would like to replace the existing article with the new one. By now I did not yet include grafics, but this will follow soon. Any additional formating tips or other suggestions are welcome. --Beaker.de 12:13, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Graphics are included now. --Beaker.de 13:35, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Page is looking great... Such an improvement on the original stub; this is fantastic Nano Dan (talk) 21:18, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

additional article on QCM
If anybody finds any information in this article on QCM useful...? As far as I know free of any copyright issues, since the author wrote it explicitly for wikipedia. --139.174.150.29 11:47, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I added equations. Now the text should be more readable.--139.174.150.29 09:14, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

major edit #2, stub template removed
As announced a few weeks ago I replaced the page by an extended version and removed the stub template. --Beaker.de 21:11, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Looks good Nano Dan (talk) 13:59, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

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-- pruthvi (talk) 2008-10-10T12:56:34‎

Photo of a tuning-fork style QCM
Free to use: http://imgur.com/zAC7p

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.200.20.13 (talk) 12:09, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
This is a really nice article. Thank you to those who put your time into it. 67.90.236.98 (talk) 01:48, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

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Reference issues
I recently brought the references to modern standards by taking full advantage of our cite template framework and expanding abbreviations, names and other information, and providing links where possible. There are four remaining issues:


 * Several journal references state only the start page of an article instead of the page span (or the specific page supporting the statement).


 * Two journal references still miss both, the issue number and the title of the corresponding articles. Unfortunately, they do not appear to be available online to look up easily.


 * In two references of apparently Russian origin the names of the authors could not be expanded. Does someone know the first names or the Cyrillic equivalents of V. V. Borovikov, R. A. Dialnyan, I. M. Shmyt’ko, or A. P. Borovikov?


 * The "Ballato, Arthur; Lukaszek, Theodore J.; Eernisse, Errol P. (1979). IEEE Transactions on Sonics and Ultrasonics. 26: 163-" reference is affected by two of the above problems (missing title and issue number, as well as incomplete page info), but might be mixed up in other ways as well as it could not be found in online repositories so far. There is an article by Ballato in the 1979 26 volume, but apparently not one authored by all three authors. Assuming a typo, all three authors did write an article in the 1978 25 volume, but the page numbers differ as well.

This needs to be researched. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 21:14, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

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Erroneous formula?
The "Viscoelastic film in liquid" section features a formula (the 2nd one) which cannot be right. The units are off (missing a "Hz" on the RHS) and it is said to be "equivalent to the Sauerbrey equation" if you ignore the bracketed term, but it simply isn't. The first formula is cited, but neither source contains the formula exactly (the second reference contains a formula which looks like it may be a rewritten form).