Talk:Queen Mary University of London/Archive 1

Category for students and alumni on Wikipedia
Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Queen Mary, University of London has been created for all current QMUL students and QM alumni editing Wikipedia. Timrollpickering 21:05, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Queen Mary
When did the People's Palace take the name Queen Mary - and after which Queen was that ? (If 1915, I guess Mary of Teck). -- Beardo 01:25, 3 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I think it was 1934 but I'd have to check. It was definitely after Mary of Teck. Timrollpickering 11:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

University ratings
(I'm posting this to all articles on UK universities as so far discussion hasn't really taken off on WikiProject Universities.)

There needs to be a broader convention about which university rankings to include in articles. Currently it seems most pages are listing primarily those that show the institution at its best (or worst in a few cases). See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Universities. Timrollpickering 00:13, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

year of name change
User:Timrollpickering has recently changed the year that the name was changed, from 2001 to 2000. He cites an ebay.co.uk item 260075169876, which is described as a "long sleeved sweat shirt that was superbly made for the Queen Mary University of London Awards Ceremony on 13th December 2000 & was made the by The Campus Clothing Company www.campusclothing.com". The image of the front shows a white-on-blue long sleeve shirt displaying the current crest of the university on the right and the text "Queen Mary (newline) University of London. On the back is a smaller version of the same at the top, followed by "YEAR OF (newline) 2000 (newline) Award ceremony - 13TH December", and a long list of what appears to be peoples names.  It looks authentic.

However, this wikipedia article has used the year 2001, citing:

In 2001 the College adopted a shortened version of its name, Queen Mary, University of London but the legal title of the College remains unchanged.

I have found a more credible source for the year 2000:

The working name of the College changed to Queen Mary, University of London

Now I realise that the later is not as credible as a financial statement, but the shirt on ebay definitely has the year 2000 on it, so there is reason to believe that the financial statement isnt authoritative on this.

The only way that these both are correct is if there is a distinction between the date the decision was made (and changes marketing material starting being revised, hence the ebay shirt), and the date of the legal/financial change. Any other ideas, with credible sources? John Vandenberg 03:52, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Queen Mary
Hi, Does anyone know whether Queen Mary has a Latin motto? If yes, could they enter it? Thanks! AJ, 17 Jul 05

Hi, I've added the QMUL motto - 'Coniunctis viribus' - which appears under a heraldic shield/crest in certain QMUL publications (eg Degree Ceremony Programme Winter 2004). I would've liked to have also added the QMUL shield/crest, but can't find a copy from QMUL's website/am mindful of copyright infringement... If someone else knows where they can get a GNU copy, please could they add it in? Thanks! AJ, 02 Aug 05


 * There's a copy at Gallery of United Kingdom academic heraldry which I've added to the article. Timrollpickering 01:17, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * That's not the arms used now. I think it might be the QMW arms before the most recent merger. JPD (talk) 15:35, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, I think the logo is more appropriate for the infobox, as it is much more widely used by the college, unlike the institutions which use their arms as their main symbol. JPD (talk) 15:42, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * With regards the infobox, maybe both - logo at the top and arms at the bottom? Most UK university articles have the arms in the box even the ones that don't seem to use them at all.


 * As for what the arms are, That image is also present on some QMUL groups on Facebook although everyone may just be copying each other. I thought it was the one I've seen up in the entrance to the Queens' Building. Hmmm... Timrollpickering 16:11, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I've tried a few versions. The current arrangement is based on the placement in the box at the School of Oriental and African Studies - how does that look? Timrollpickering 16:24, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I like the arrangement. Yes, that coat of arms is one of the ones that appears in the foyer in the Queens' Building, but it isn't the one on the flag that flies at graduations, or on the clothing sometimes available in the SU shop. I think the arms in the Queens' Builing are all from before the latest mergers. JPD (talk) 20:47, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The image quality is too crap to actually use this one (it's a scan through a frame) but is Image:Qmulcrest.jpg what you're thinking of?


 * This is from a QMSU Colours and Honours certificate.


 * Timrollpickering 22:55, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


 * That's the only one I've seen used in a definitely current context. JPD (talk) 14:22, 12 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay I've now located and uploaded a copy of the current crest (Image:Qmul-logo.gif), which is used both here and on Gallery of United Kingdom academic heraldry. Since the other crest is now not used on any current Wikipedia article I'm displaying it here for ease of location. When we get the history of the college(s) expanded I think it would be good to include that crest. Timrollpickering 00:54, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Just as a further note I now have a physical picture of the Queen Mary College arms and I think the one above is the Queen Mary & Westfield College arms. Timrollpickering 12:14, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

College history
I have a copy of From Palace to College: An illustrated account of Queen Mary College by G.P. Moss and M.V. Saville that was published in 1985 (QMC's anniversary year) and which I'll soon be using to have a go at beefing up the history section. Before I do that, some thoughts on how to handle the various mergers would be handy.

(I should also note that QM's relationship with Barts and The London predates the formal merger - proposals for a greater association and joint teaching between the three - the "BLQ" scheme - ran from the late 1960s until the mid 1980s when the Pre-Clinical teaching builiding was erected on the Mile End site.)

Should the article (and, if necessary, related articles):

a) Regard the 1989 joining as a merger between Queen Mary and Westfield, with separate articles and histories for both colleges before the date?

b) Regard 1989 as Queen Mary absorbing Westfield, with 1885-1989 QMC history on the same page as post 1989 history?

With regards 1995, one could argue for consolidating it all here but as the trend across Wikipedia is for specific articles for the various medical schools (and the Barts and The London identity is very distinct) I'd be inclined to leave that at Barts and The London, Queen Mary's School of Medicine and Dentistry, although given the age of both medical schools separate pages for the histories of St Bartholomew's Hospital Medical College and London Hospital Medical College may be useful.

What does everyone else think? For the time being, I'll aim to keep pre 1989/1995 relations between the four colleges separate from the QMC specific history as and when I get it up. Timrollpickering 12:40, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Logo
The elements are available in a single image:

Image:Qm logo.gif

Is this a preferable one to use? Timrollpickering 06:52, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I think so. JPD (talk) 10:33, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Looks good. Could it go in the image_name param, rather than name?  The current arrangement breaks the microformat hCard embedded in the infobox. — mholland (talk) 11:28, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

International Reputation
First of all, I neither want an edit war nor do I want to attack you. I am a German law student and I have never been affiliated with QMUL in any way, so you can assume that I have pretty much a neutral point of view and you can believe me, Queen Mary does have a strong international reputation; particularty its law school is considered to be one of the UK's finest. Now, I'm going to replace your edit with this quote:

It is a research university, with over 80% of research staff working in departments where research is of international or national excellence (RAE 2001). It has a strong international reputation, with over 20 per cent of students coming from over 100 countries.

and I'm going to source it with this link:

http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/europe/uk/website/education/university/queen-mary-university-london/

I conjure you to just let it be as it is then. Kind regards 88.66.59.159 (talk) 16:58, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Quotes (the above sentence is an exact quote) should go in quotation marks when you add them to articles in running text. I can believe you that QM has an "international reputation" (whatever that means), but I would argue that it's too vague a sentence phrase to be included except as an opinion, attributed to a reliable source. May I ask what http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/ is, and why it's more reliable than the Independent, which you replaced with it? I would also urge you to consider registering an account for your contributions - there are several benefits. Thank you. — mholland (talk) 17:39, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I changed it from It... to The College..., so that it is no longer an exact quote, and I would argue that it is not meant to be a quote, rather a fact written by the editor (me) which is affirmed by the citation given. I have no problem to add the Independent as a further source affirming this fact. A strong international reputation is not something vague, but something a university either has or not. In the case of Queen Mary, it is something that is clearly existent. Besides the afformentioned sources, it is also approved by a survey of recruiters of international law firms created by a renowned German law journal, which puts QMUL among the most frequently recommended graduate law programs (unfortunately I only have it on paper). The fact that a quarter of its student body comes from abroad alone affirms this fact as well. So how many sources does it need to get your kind allowance? I'm going to copy this conversation and post it on the article's talk page, as other people may want to give a comment, so we can go on there. 88.66.18.61 (talk) 18:21, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Notable alumni
Hello

I was wondering if anyone else believes "Jerry Kreindler - Information Technology Lawyer" is notable in this list.

Whilst I'm not aware of all the other names on the list, I don't think this really deserves to be on here.

Does anyone want to argue otherwise?

Is there any evidence of Graham Chapman being a student at QMUL. I always thought the whole Python crew met at Cambridge. Did a bit of googling and couldn't find any evidence of him studying elsewhere —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.37.95.144 (talk) 15:18, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


 * According to both Graham Chapman and this BBC biography he qualified as a doctor at Barts after finishing at Cambridge. Timrollpickering (talk) 15:44, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Undergraduates
Hi can anyone tell me the number of undergraduates at QM please? Should that be in the article? Up to you guys but I genuinely need to know. Thanks.--Tubs uk (talk) 12:02, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * According to the most recent HESA stats (for 07/08), there are 10,315 undergraduates, 3,295 postgraduates and 565 "Total writing-up and sabbatical students" who are not included in the full total. Timrollpickering (talk) 12:56, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Research
I improved a little the Research section. However, it's still quite crappy. Rankings have their place, but they should *not* dominate the presentation of the research side of Queen Mary. Rgrig (talk) 10:33, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Notability
Sorry to raise this hoary old Wikipedia chestnut but how are we going to define "notability" for the purposes of the lists of notable staff and alumni? I do feel there is a risk, as usual, that widely differing and perhaps rather generous definitions may eventually lead to these being lists of everyone who works or worked there and everyone who went there respectively. (Goak here.) Any views please? Thanks DBaK (talk) 14:53, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 * If they don't have their own article, they shouldn't be included, IMO. - Scribble Monkey (talk) 16:16, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Alumni/Notable Staff
Would it not make sense to now create separate pages for the notable alumni and staff sections that could be linked to like most other university pages? This is a good example from the New School's page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_School#Noted_alumni.2C_faculty.2C_and_current_students —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.234.18.12 (talk) 08:48, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Stepney Green Campus
Is the upgrade of the campus finished yet? Afterlife10 (talk) 11:11, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

There isn't a Stepney Green campus it's all considered Mile End. What do you mean by upgrade aswelL? there was a new Arts building constructed, the library was revamped and one of the science buildings had a new facade put on. That's about it. 86.21.152.61 (talk) 15:05, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Including Professor Carl D. Murray
HI everybody I decided to include Professor Carl D. Murray, he is a professor in the Astronomy Unit in the Mathematical Sciences building, he is a respected research in the field of planetary sciences and dynamics. He is the co-author of the best book in my opinion in Solar System Dynamics (Cambridge University Press 2000) and he has 195 scientific articles with 1514 references according to NASA ADS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carlosepech (talk • contribs) 08:32, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

It is me again this time I did logged in in my Wiki Account. I believe that as I pointed out in my previous note Prof. Carl D. Murray should be included. In addition to the previously pointed out Carl D. Murray is the only Uk scientist that is part a full member of the Cassini spacecraft. He has published 17 articles in the sicentific journal Nature and 7 in Science. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carlosepech (talk • contribs) 05:31, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Bill O'Reilly?
Bill O'Reilly is listed under the "notable alumni" section, but his own wikipedia page lists no such thing. Is he an alumni? Because I thought he went to BU and Harvard. Vyselink (talk) 01:49, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

NVM. Says he spent his junior year there. Vyselink (talk) 01:50, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

University title
If anyone wants to make the relevant edits, QMUL has stopped using the comma in its title. I see that the first line has been changed in this article but there isn't much subsequently. I think the main reason for the change is that "the comma in the current name of the university...[splits] the name into two parts" creating some difficulties in consistently identifying the research of its academics and "for the purposes of research publications, there should be no punctuation in the name." Indeed, if you look throughout the main website (but not all department websites; my department, economics, hasn't removed the comma on its pages yet) it has been changed. Here is a useful source, with section 2a of particular importance to us here: http://www.arcs.qmul.ac.uk/policy_zone/research/QM_citation_policy_Oct_11.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.240.208 (talk) 14:32, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

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Queen Mary School of Law
This is the most prestigious faculty that the uni has(being one of the best law schools in the UK), but unfortunately you are unable to deduce this fact from this wikipedia page. Knowable (talk) 13:02, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Jewish cemetery
Now mention of the fact that the campus has effectively encircled a Jewish cemetery, which is protecyed fro development for 999 years? A point of local notability, I think. Noting that there doesn't seem to be much discussion on this TP, I'll probably just be WP:BOLD at some point. Muffled Pocketed  13:23, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

'Integrated campus'
The second para states that "It is the only college of the University of London to have an integrated teaching, research and residential campus" but Royal Holloway, University of London also has an integrated research, teaching and residential campus, though it is not situated in Greater London. Mahlermad (talk) 22:41, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

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Graham Chapman
Graham Chapman's article lists him as an alumnus of Emmanuel College, Cambridge, which also lists him as an alumnus. Do we have any evidence that Graham Chapman attended Queen Mary? If so, shouldn't that be in his article? I don't know anything much about him, so he may well have attended both colleges. I just got confused, and am hoping someone knows the answer. Jwrosenzweig 21:51, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * I don't know the answer but looked it up and I agree he IS an almunus. (Or rather, was.) I found this: "shortly after completing his medical studies at St. Bartholomew's Hospital" here: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001037/bio and this: "He qualified as a doctor at St.Bartholomew's hospital in London" from here: http://bau2.uibk.ac.at/sg/python/Bio/Chapman.html so I guess that's probably fair enough? we don't have separate alumni lists for the medical school(s) so I imagine listing him under QMUL is OK at least for the moment. What do you think? Nevilley 23:19, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me. :-) It made sense he could have gone more than one place, but I figured that, since I knew he had attended one college, there was enough of a chance that this was an error to make it worth asking. Thanks for checking! Jwrosenzweig 23:21, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * No prob, a pleasure. And definitely worth the check! :) Nevilley 23:22, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Third para
The third para ("research uni" etc) is a bit glowing, true though it may be. Or is it just me? Also it is close to the main QM site text, maybe with permission but does not say, and should perhaps be rewritten to avoid this similarity. 138.37.188.109 13:08, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Bruce Dixon of former Iron Maiden?
Going through everything linkink to Iron Maiden and Iron Maiden (band), I found this reference. Is this Bruce Dickinson of Iron Maiden? He went to this school, alright.
 * Looks like you're right: I've changed it, thanks. --Nevilley 07:53, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)