Talk:Queen Silvia of Sweden/Archive 1

Sign language
Which Sign Language is she fluent in? Swedish Sign Language? 惑乱 分からん 23:44, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Renaming of Page
I have moved this page from "Silvia of Sweden" to "Queen Silvia of Sweden" per Wiki stylebook re article names for queens/kings consort. Mowens35 12:25, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Why is this article named "Queen Silvia of Sweden"? Shouldn't it be "Silvia, Queen of Sweden"? If it's named "Queen Silvia of Sweden", that indicates there's several queens of Sweden, doesn't it? If there's only one queen, which there is, it should be at "Silvia, Queen of Sweden". For the same reason Victoria, Crown Princess of Sweden shouldn't be at "Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden", because there is only ONE Crown Princess. And there is only one queen, so there is no reason to name the article "Queen Silvia of Sweden" just like there's several queens of Sweden?
 * I agree with you completely. Please take a look at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (names and titles). I think it should be at Silvia, Queen of Sweden too, but others disagree. Surtsicna (talk) 09:35, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Queen mother-Queen dowager
Which title will she have as a widow? Queen Mother or Queen Dowager? Perhaps the title queen dowager is no longee used, I don't know if this title ecxist in Europe today?--85.226.47.188 (talk) 13:09, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I think she will be Her Majesty Queen Silvia of Sweden, The Queen Mother. But in Sweden we don't have the whole "Queen mother" thing I think, so maybe she'll simply be Her Majesty Queen Silvia of Sweden.


 * Since the Queen is several years older than the King, and he is not ill as far as anyone knows, why assume she will survive him? A rather ridiculous thing to duscuss, eh? SergeWoodzing (talk) 21:49, 24 December 2009 (UTC)


 * It is an interesting question. Speaking as a Scandinavian, I would guess that she will keep the title of Queen, following the example of Ingrid of Sweden, who was never kalled queen dowager of Denmark even though she would have been, traditionally: the title queen dowager is simply to old-fashioned to be used any more, and the queen mother title, as was pointed out above, is not used in Scandinavia. --85.226.43.158 (talk) 18:28, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Offspring listed too many times!
As in so many articles on royalty, this article lists Silvia's children three times. Looks ridiculous. Why do we do this all over? SergeWoodzing (talk) 22:14, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * They are listed in the infobox, in the template and in the text. They are supposed to be listed in the infobox (children are always listed in the infobox), they have to be listed in the template (because they are members of the Swedish Royal Family) and it would be odd to never mention them in the text of the article. What are you suggesting that we should do? Surtsicna (talk) 22:30, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Suggestion by request: Come up with a solution that makes the article as a whole look less ridiculous in this regard, rather than insisting and motivating that it should go on looking ridiculous in this regard. If it is supposed to be his way, WP must the only encyclopaedia in the world with such ridiculous formatting. Why does the "Swedish Royal Family" necessarily take up space in each article, when that info is only one click away in an article of its own? Why can't we refer in the text, about offspring, to the listing in the info box? Is WP suppposed to be speciialty reading for royalty fanatics or a reasonably formatted encyclopaedia? Why not be creative and constructive rather than unreasonably conservative? Is preserving status quo, as I read the previous entry, our main priority or is it creating an encyclopaedia that doesn't look ridiculous? SergeWoodzing (talk) 10:38, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Please assume good faith. Saying that somebody wants Wikipedia to look ridiculous, as I read the previous entry, is not helpful. Anyway, just to be clear, you suggest removing Template:Swedish Royal Family or removing their names from the infobox? How about replacing the list in the article text with a short paragraph saying who her children are and when they were born? Surtsicna (talk) 15:31, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * There is absolutely nothing in my entry above which could lead anyone to assume that I meant that anbody, including you, "wants Wikipedia to look ridiculous". Of course, no one does. You could only think that if you are very snarstucken, a wonderful Swedish word that is rare in that it expresses something that cannot be said exactly with one word in English. It means that one is oversensitive and prone or wanton to find a personal attack where there is no reasonable evidence of one. Literally: soon-pricked or soon-stabbed. Since I too, however, have been known to be quite snarstucken at times, and that characteristic corresponds perfectly with my (ridiculous?) astrological chart I had made by computer in New York in 1970, I can hardly level any guns at you for it.
 * Good constructive work you did! Now will you please help me clean up such format flubs in any other articles on Swedish royalty, whenever you or I visit them for any editing?
 * Meanwhile I am adding the Swedish royal family to "Also see" and removing the bawdy template which I deem utterly superflous, marginally relevant to Silvia's bio and too distracting to be beneficial to the article. It is incomplete and misleading anyway (see article), and if somebody wants to know who her sisters-in-law are, etc etc etc - that info is only one click away.
 * The template is just lovely in that article (or will be when we update it - beat me to it!), and so are all the dynasty templates in the dynasty articles, but those too, take up far too much space where articles should primarily be about people and have (room for) images of them, not be dominated by too much info on their families.
 * Thanks! SergeWoodzing (talk) 18:20, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit war over title at top of info box
An IP is edit warring to reinstate "Queen" at the top of the article's info box, and I have written to the IP about the manner in which that change is being made over and over - looks like a case WP:OWNERSHIP to me. In my opinion the Swedish queen's official name will suffice there w/o the title, to avoid redundancy in the box. In any case the matter should be discussed here, not just changed according to 1 IP's POV. I'm reverting it again hoping that the IP will check h talk page and this one. SergeWoodzing (talk) 20:27, 8 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Including "Queen" is not unreasonable given that it's the first word of the article's title. Alarbus (talk) 07:23, 9 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Which is also a mistake. See Elizabeth II and her predecessors and their consorts. See Beatrix of the Netherlands. Dougweller (talk) 09:50, 9 February 2012 (UTC)


 * No, I'm wrong about the title, but not the info box, see Queen Sofía of Spain and Queen Fabiola of Belgium. Dougweller (talk) 10:07, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Why misrepresent what I wrote at Afi about this? The behavior was "unreasonable", I clearly wrote. My use of that adjective had no bearing whatsoever on this article's content. I'm not in the habit of calling anybody's POV unreasonable. Ever. Behavior is another matter. SergeWoodzing (talk) 17:23, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Mother origins.
sources that point to conjecture pedigree without valid documentary evidence, based on rumors. the sources do not seem reliable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.35.201.17 (talk) 17:05, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Anyone know how to verify this descent from a 13th century Portuguese king?
 * Her maternal grandfather was Artur Floriano de Toledo (1873–1935), a descendant of King Afonso III of Portugal and his concubine Maria Peres de Enxara.[1]
 * SergeWoodzing (talk) 11:21, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I have now deleted the statement. It is probably false. The given source contains no information about this and in Silvia's ancestor tree it lacks 500 years (approximately 15 generations) between the oldest "de Toledo" and the king Afonso III of Portugal. Svensson1 (talk) 11:47, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The statement I deleted seems to be true. I see that Paulista01 has restored it and added several sources. (A little thing is however strange. It is for the moment written in the article that Artur Floriano de Toledo (1873–1935) was a grandson of Antónia de Almeida de Aguiar, but it is three generations between them, not two. Antónia was the mother of the mother of the father of Artur according to the ancestor tree of Silvia and GeneAll.net.) Svensson1 (talk) 11:07, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello Svensson1, I skipped one generation, sorry. I already corrected the article. Regards, Paulista01 (talk) 19:02, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Queen Sonja of Norway which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 11:28, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Consensus was no move. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 17:34, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Royal ancestry
I am not satisfied that reliable references have been quoted here, neither as to Silvia's descent from a Portuguese king, nor from a Brazilian tribal ruler. Shouldn't we have specific literal quotes from reliable sources (not amateur genealogies!) as article references, if we are going to keep that kind of stuff? I will be removing it otherwise. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 17:34, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Marriage
The third paragraph of this section has the following:


 * He and Silvia announced their engagement on March 12, 1976 and were married three months later, on June 19, in Storkyrkan Cathedral in Stockholm. It was the first marriage of a reigning Swedish monarch since 1797. This was necessary, because if the King had married Silvia, who did not have the proper heredity, before being king, it would have rendered him ineligible for the crown.

What is this exactly? 210.7.5.200 15:23, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * It means that had he married her while being Crown Prince, he could not have become King. A Crown Prince cannot marry a commoner without losing the crown, a King can. But somewhere along the lines, the relationship was not all that clear cut as they make us believe. I remember quite clearly reading a 'position wanted' ad in a newspaper and thinking how strange that a person with that caliber CV (after the Munich Olympics) needs to advertise. Maybe there were problems with arranging the marriage contract, I thought when I later heard about the marriage plans. 58.174.193.2 (talk) 04:24, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Wrong photo
In the Bing search engine, on the side of the search results list, Wikipedia occupies a large part of the page at the top right, with the introduction to "Queen Silvia of Sweden", leading to this article. The photo there shows a woman who is NOT Silvia. Oddly enough, the error doesn't appear inside that (this) Wikipedia article itself.219.142.251.8 (talk) 11:24, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

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