Talk:Queensland/Archive 1

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This Queensland, Australia redirect is silly. Of the links to this page:


 * 280 were to Queensland and redirected to Queensland, Australia. (Rough count, maybe it was 275, maybe it was 293.)
 * 10 were to Queensland, Australia in the form <> - i.e., the short form was preffered by the editor who made the link, but he or she went to extra trouble to avoid triggering a redirect]]
 * 4 were to Queensland, Australia where the text was clearly better without the gratutious "Australia"
 * 3 were to Queensland, Australia and actually made more sense that way.

Round figures, that's a 99% vote for Queensland against a 1% vote for the long and clumsy form. I'm going to move it back. Tannin 01:43 Apr 25, 2003 (UTC)

Page history lost in move:
'''07:33 Sep 19, 2001. . 137.111.13.xxx''' New entry, entire content: "State of Australia, in the northeast of the country. Capital city Brisbane. Only Australian state with a unicameral legislature."

'''M 15:43 Feb 25, 2002. . Conversion script (Automated conversion)'''

14:45 Apr 6, 2002 62.188.202.206 added "thought I'd add some framing, now needs some content":

= Geography == == Demography == == Economy == == Law/Government of state ==
 * Famous for the Great Barrier Reef.
 * oceans, lakes
 * state capital Brisbane.
 * state population
 * racial/ethnic makeup of state 
 * religious makeup of state 
 * State income, GDP
 * Major industries/products 
 * state taxes 
 * unicameral
 * Premiers of Queensland
 * structure of state judicary 
 * information on state constitution 
 * does it have referenda? 

History
== Colleges/Universities ==
 * 1901 Federation of Australia
 * major historical events that occurred in state 
 * University of Queensland
 * Griffith University
 * Queensland University of Technology

'''21:17 Jun 23, 2002. . Karen Johnson''' moved to Queensland, Australia

END PAGE HISTORY LOST IN MOVE

Tannin 01:52 Apr 25, 2003 (UTC)
 * Note: The history was later imported back into the article. Graham 87 16:39, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

294 in favour of Queemsland? Queemsland? That's what your summary said!!! *grin*. Yoo hid mae wirrid four am oment. ÉÍREman 01:53 Apr 25, 2003 (UTC)


 * So, why is it that Victorians drink "Melbourne Bitter", and Western Australians drink "Swan Lager", and Tasmanians drink "Cascade Pale Ale", but Queenslanders drink XXXX?


 * Because it's so XXXXing good, so to speak. :D BTW, Victorians drink "Victoria Bitter", better known in the north as "Cat Piss".


 * Victorians drink Carlton Draft. And that watery Tasmanian crap seems to be catching on everywhere. -- Tim Starling 00:46, Sep 22, 2003 (UTC)


 * No, it's because Queenslanders can't spell beer :D


 * Interesting. I read figures that said that 60% of heavy beers drunk in Queensland is a VB and growing .  XXXX only dominates the light beer market these days.  So much for "cat piss".  In fact I have tasted XXXX, and I can tell you that while VB may not be liquid gold, but XXXX is about as close to feline urine as is humanly possible.  --Spewmaster 06:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Amen brotherRory for suomi 13:56, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Who is Terry Mackenroth? RickK 02:24, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)
 * Will this do? Biography of Terence Michael Mackenroth - Gaz 12:58, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)
 * What does it mean in news reports where he's referred to as "acting Premier"? RickK 23:05, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)


 * Just a hunch. Was he simply standing in for the actual premier, who was away or unavailable? FearÉIREANN 23:18, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Current Terry Mackenroth official biography. Alex Law 07:19, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Chrism recently added to the bottom of this Queensland article. Chris obviously likes them, I dislike them, what do others think? My argument is that the content of the Msg block already exists at States and territories of Australia and each State or Territory should just link to that article. Opinions? Counter arguments? - - -Gaz 14:16, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

History
I didn't change anything but believe that 1606, Dutch navigator Willem Janszoon may not be the first European visitor. I believe that Mendana who charted the Solomon Islands passed through the Torres Straight and sighted Queensland. 101.162.3.99 (talk) 11:36, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
 * If you can find a reliable source for this, we can certainly add it. I took a quick look around and found the article Álvaro de Mendaña de Neira doesn't make that claim nor do some other sources on Mendana that I checked, e.g. . But there are going to be many other sources that I didn't check. Probably quite a lot of European sailors bumped into parts of the Australian coast withoutthinking it was sufficiently large/interesting/fertile etc to bother documenting their visit. But in Mendana's case, he was actually looking for Terra Australis, so I think he would have mentioned it if he thought he had found it. Kerry (talk) 23:07, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

History
I am interested in doing some articles covering Queensland history, in particular labour movement history. I have just created Queensland Council of Unions as an introduction and linking point.--Takver 15:16, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

So where is the mention of the Torres Strait Islands
Neither mention or Map showing these. Paul foord 01:14, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sunshine not = tropics
Really is it called the "Sunshine State" due to much of it being in the tropics, or also to lack of cloud cover? I thought a lot of it was desert and thus sunny. Have not been there, sadly - maybe someday. Pdn 00:00, 9 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I think its a marketting ploy. Its called the sunshine state because it is warmer than the southern states and many people from further south go there on holidays - usually to sit on the beach and soak up the sun. Statistically, i don't think it necessarily gets more sun that other parts - in fact, in the wet season, much of the tropics are cloudy. I have also heard it claimed that state(territory) capital with the most days of sunshine is Canberra. Adz 01:08, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

I think "Queensland is drenched in sunshine, has warm seas, cool sea breezes and an enviable warm climate all year round; the weather in Queensland is incomparable to most other Australian states" comes direcly from a Qld Tourism brochure, it is not a 'Neutral Point of View'

Revert inclusion of text about North Qld separatism movement
I reverted a large amount of text about the history of North Queensland separatism. The text was lifted from this site and wasn't particularly encyclopedic in the way it was written. The same text has also been added to Proposals for new Australian States. -- Adz|talk 02:14, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Queensland's mascot???
I wasn't aware that the Giant Tree Frog was Queensland's mascot, is there any source for this? Secondly, it is not a small frog, in compartison to Australian frogs it is the largest, and in compartison to tree frogs it is the largest in the world! --liquidGhoul 08:34, 28 February 2006 (UTC)


 * This question has been here a long time. I lived in Queensland for 8 years and in all that time wasn't aware that the green tree frog was Queensland's 'mascot'. I do remember reading some years ago in the World Book Encyclopedia (much to my surprise) that the state's official fauna symbol was the Koala. I'm going to remove the frog picture. If anybody can provide a source for either of these claims, that would be good. (I occasionally found things in the World Book that were inacurate and I'm not convinced that it was right in this instance either). -- Adz|talk 11:14, 23 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I would understand (though still question) if it was the green tree frog, but that is the Giant Tree Frog, which is much rarer, and only found North of Cairns. Considering most of the population is so much farther south, it would be very improbable that it is the mascot of Queensland. --liquidGhoul 11:17, 23 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Just looked up "faunal emblem" (which is the terminology which should be used, "mascot" is wrong), and got all the emblems of the state. It is stated in, BADGE, ARMS, FLORAL AND OTHER EMBLEMS OF QUEENSLAND ACT 1959 (link here). Sad really isn't it :). Anyway, here they are

Flora: Cooktown Orchid (Dendrobium bigibbum var. phalaenopsis) Fauna: Koala (Phascolarctos cinereus) -You were right Bird: Brolga (Grus rubicunda) Gem: Sapphire

So, there you go. I guess I should have looked that up when I asked the question, but I couldn't think of the word, "emblem". Oh well, thanks for reminding me. --liquidGhoul 11:26, 23 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Have just added state emblems according to the Department of the Premier and Cabinet. BrightLights 10:25, 13 April 2006 (UTC)


 * The Barrier Reef Anemonefish (Amplipron akindynos) was officially named as Queensland's aquatic emblem in March, 2005.] Figaro (talk) 15:15, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Towns and settlements
Is the list of 142 towns and settlements useful? Are they selected on any objective basis? can they be pruned down to the declared cities plus the largest one or two in each region? --Scott Davis Talk 05:32, 25 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I have been thinking a seperate page like Towns and settlements of Queensland would be a good idea. If you keep a partial, conditional list how would the casual editor know if a town should be listed or not? - Shiftchange 11:54, 25 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't think that the list in its current form is very useful at all. It would be more useful to check that every article is categorised correctly. The list doesn't give any indication of how large the settlements are or where they are. I would be in favour of a separate article and getting rid of the list. Perhaps replacing it with a few paragraphs about the largest cities, some of the more notable middle order towns, and mention a few of the smallest communities would be more meaningful. -- Adz|talk 03:42, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

There is already List of postcodes in Queensland with all recognised postal places in it (and is actually sorted alphabetically). This list needs to be short enough that it's obvious the entries were selected. At the moment it looks like every casual editor added their favourite place and home town. It has grown by about 40 places in the last 100 edits&mdash;and more than half of those are red links! Proston and Woodford must be important places as they have been red links on this page since at least November 2004. A partial conditional list allows editors to know what should be listed by reading the condition&mdash;how do they know now? They've heard of the placename, and it's not in the list yet. --Scott Davis Talk 11:31, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to bring it up again - but can't we just completely remove the Towns and Settlements list? When it contains entries like Ingoldsby and Murra Murra, it really has gone past the stage of being useful to anyone. Besides, a list of the important settlements has been provided in the opening introduction. QazPlm 23:34, 17 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Nobody spoke in its defence in over three weeks, so it's gone. --Scott Davis Talk 04:10, 18 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Much better! :) QazPlm 06:37, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

GDP
Uhhh, third lowest GDP in Australia after Tasmania and SA? Is this a joke? Where is the source for this? The ABS says otherwise: 58.162.28.169 15:00, 5 October 2006 (UTC) -Fixed58.162.28.169 15:00, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Jennsland steve irwin
steve irwin was one of jennslands best australians and we miss him very much it was horrible to see him go he is always in our hearts rest in peace mate. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.185.116.85 (talk) 18:37, 16 December 2006 (UTC).

Ammendment of error refering to the late Mr Irwin as 'former'
Corrected this misstatement. A decceased person is refered to as being late not former. Former is more properly used to indicate a lost position, possession or status. 60.241.1.168 13:09, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikitravel
Parts of this article are beginning to read like a Wikitravel entry. Is information relating to accommodation and theme parks necessary? Can the Climate section be re-written to sound less like what you'd read in a travel guide? QazPlm 08:32, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Pre-federation magistrate
I am in progress of creating an article for John Carne Bidwill, who was a magistrate in the Wide Bay area around 1850. Don't know if anyone might like to look at improving the article with information regarding his short time in Queensland (he was there between 1848 and his death in 1851).Garrie 03:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Area
The area was recently changed to 1727200. But the Government's Geoscience Australia web page states the area is 1723936; and if we add the islands would be. 1730648?? Alan Davidson 05:52, 2 October 2007 (UTC)


 * The area under the Total category seems to be way out of line with reality. At the very least Land and Water don't add up to anything close to the Total. --SVTCobra 04:44, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

"667,000 sq mi" according to Columbia Encyclopedia. must be the state itself.--114.73.62.45 (talk) 05:56, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Population
The figure for the population was recently changed from 4,164,590 to 4,264,590. First it seems "suspicious" that the change was coincidently exactly 100,000. Second the Qld Government's page (which has an estimate counter) states it should be only 4,209,694. Does someone have an authority that is better? Alan Davidson 10:41, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I would prefer we use the ABS statistics at http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/3101.0/ for all state population figures and keep them consistent. Someone updated the population figure today using a counter at http://www.oesr.qld.gov.au/ but this changes continuously and we'll be forever changing the article. Barrylb (talk) 05:31, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Mooney River
Is there a Mooney River in Queensland? Some of the old bush songs mention the Mooney, Barwon, and Maranoa, but we don't seem to have any articles about any of these rivers. Maybe some knowledgeable folks in Queensland could create those. Badagnani 21:05, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The river is called the Moonie River; it doesn't have an article but there is an article on the town, Moonie, Queensland. There is an article on the Barwon River, which is the same river as the Queensland one.  Hope this helps.  Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 21:11, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Wow, lightning fast and informative. Thanks for your expertise. Badagnani 21:14, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

South Africans and the Australian life...
Would South Africans find employment and be able to settle well into Queensland? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.33.238.78 (talk) 13:15, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi, This is not really the place to ask your question but there have been many many South Africans who have had no problem finding employment and settling in Queensland. It would of course depend on your own skills and personality, but there certainly would be no impediments. Good luck! -- Mattinbgn\talk 13:35, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

merge proposal
New stub article Economy of Queensland doesn't seem to have enough content to justify its existence, but if it does continue to exist should be linked from here. PamD (talk) 09:51, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No merge: The article belongs to a series of similarly titled pages for each state. I have already expanded it tonight. Some of the content on the Queensland article should probably be placed on the new page, leaving a summary in 2 or 3 paragraphs and link at the top of the Economy section. - Shiftchange (talk) 12:04, 18 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Please don't. The "Economy of X state" pages are embarassingly large gaps in our coverage of Australian topics, and they need to be fleshed out properly - ala Economy of Western Australia. I posted about this on WP:AWNB, and a user thankfully decided to start work on this one. We're never going to get that coverage WA has if we simply put in a pointless redirect which serves zero purpose. Rebecca (talk) 02:37, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Banana Benders?
Who calls Queenslanders "Banana Benders"? I suspect thats an edit from someone down south... Maybe they shoud change the states motto to "Audax at nanabenders" (Bold but bends bananas frequently). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.37.187 (talk) 01:49, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Banana benders is a common term for Queenslanders, and has been for generations. It's used in Queensland also, and I have known people from other states who used it too.--Dmol (talk) 02:02, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm a banana bender, and its the correct nickname for queenslanders. and if this article is going be about my state in my country i expect it to have nicknames and content correct.--124.186.135.128 (talk) 23:22, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Revision of summary
The summary needs to be revised. Maybe it should go something like this:

Queensland is a state (1991 pop. 2,477,152 can be changed), which spans 667,000 sq mi (1,727,200 sq km), on the north-east of Australia. Brisbane is the capital; other important cities are [[Gold Coast ]]]], Toowoomba, Townsville, Rockhampton, Cairns, and Ipswich. Queensland is bounded on the NE and E by the Coral Sea and the Pacific Ocean and on the NW by the Gulf of Carpentaria and Torres Strait. The state comprises the entire northeastern part of the Australian continent, with the major part of its coastline sheltered by the Great Barrier Reef. Roughly half the state is in the [[tropical ]]]] zone, with rain forests on Cape York Peninsula in the extreme north. Annual rainfall ranges from 5 in. (13 cm) in the southwestern desert area to 160 in. (406 cm) in parts of the northeast coast.

The Great Dividing Range separates the fertile coastal strip from vast interior plains. The Great Artesian Basin (376,000 sq mi/973,840 sq km) in the interior provides water for a large livestock-raising area. Queensland produces sugarcane (the chief crop), cotton, wheat (grown mostly on the Darling Downs), and tropical fruits. In addition, the state is Australia's leading producer of beef.

Mining is also important, especially copper, coal, lead, zinc, and bauxite. Oil and natural gas were discovered in the 1960s and are being exploited. Manufacturing has gained importance in the last 30 years, as has tourism. The Great Barrier Reef, Sunshine Coast, and Gold Coast are extremely popular attractions.

Almost half of Queensland's people live in the Brisbane metropolitan area. In 1994 the state decided to amalgamate three cities with their shires; Gold Coast, Cairns, and Ipswich were merged with Albert Shire, Mulgrave Shire, and Moreton Shire, respectively, making Gold Coast Australia's second largest municipality after Brisbane.

In 1770, Capt. James Cook explored the coast of Queensland (then called Moreton Bay). Originally under the authority of New South Wales, Queensland served as a penal colony from 1824 to 1843. The area was separated from New South Wales and made a British colony in 1859. Queensland was federated as a state of the Commonwealth of Australia in 1901. The state government consists of a governor (the nominal chief executive), who is appointed by the British crown on advice of the cabinet; a premier and a cabinet; and a unicameral legislature (the upper house voted itself out of existence in 1922).

SOURCE: "Queensland." The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. 2008. Retrieved February 07, 2011 from Encyclopedia.com: http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1E1-Qunsld.html Thought this might be useful. PLEASE COMMENT --114.73.62.45 (talk) 05:56, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

The State of Queensland
The info box links to States and territories of Australia but neither the lead nor the body of the article informs, or confirms for, a reader that "the State of...." is the proper name of this and other states of the Commonwealth of Australia, per the preamble to the Australia Act 1986 and its sections applying to all the states generally, except 13 and 14 which apply respectively to Queensland and Western Australia specifically.This may be so self-evident to editors that they have not thought to mention it expressly. But states of a federal union may have different names, as in USA, and not all the constituent parts the Commonwealth of Australia are States. Qexigator (talk) 15:44, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

+Queensland Protocol Handbook; proclamation November 1977;; Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act 1900: s.7 "...until the Parliament of the Commonwealth otherwise provides, the Parliament of the State of Queensland..." Qexigator (talk) 23:04, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I, (and one other regular editor) have reverted this edit. It is a repetition of the first sentence, and does not belong in the lede. There is scope for it to be added to the body of the text where it belongs. Please wait for consensus to change this (and other state) articles --Dmol (talk) 00:04, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Where in the body do you propose? And please do not forget that the purpose of articles is to inform readers who are distinctly less familiar with any given topic than regular editors are to begin with or grow to be. Qexigator (talk) 00:16, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Determination that the state names all start with "State of" appears to be a misinterpretation of sources. Official documentation often capitalises "state", but this doesn't mean that "State of" is part of the state name. S16(1) of the preamble to the Australia Act is an example of the capitalisation convention. It capitalises "state" in several places where it would not normally be capitalised, including "means a court of a State or any other court", "in relation to a State", and "'State' means a State of the Commonwealth and includes a new State". S16(3) also does this, saying "Parliament of a State", "legislature of that State", "any other Act of that State" and "Legislative Council of that State". This convention is followed in the other documents that you've used for Queensland. The name of New South Wales has been simply "New South Wales" since Captain Cook named it on 22 August 1770. That the preamble calls it "State of New South Wales" is simply application of the convention to capitalise state. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 03:05, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

To clarify "statehood"
If my previous edit is considered contentious, or at least moot, the sentence now added would meet the point in a suitably informative way. Qexigator (talk) 16:01, 24 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Note The above discussion is being undertaken at several talk pages. Since all discussions are essentially about the same topic, a centralised discussion has been started at Australian Wikipedians' notice board. Further discussion on this subject should continue there to avoid fragmenting the discussion. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 17:06, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Vertical scale
Can the vertical scale on the population growth graph be simplified? Isn't million easier to understand than e+06? If space is so difficult, mil. is an accepted abreviation.

For that matter, is there a logical reason to only show the period after 1981 on the graph? Surely there is a longer range of data available and the two bursts of post war expansion could be of interest. &#32;  Djapa Owen (talk) 12:54, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

-==Aboriginal history== Note on Aboriginal History Aboriginal History is not Queensland History, the two topics are distinctly separate. History prior the birth of the State of Queensland should not be included on this page. Claims made of arriving in Australia are culturally insulting, and can become legal issues. Claims of dates for arrival in Australia are controversial, ambiguous and changing. Arrival of Aborigines on this continent has nothing to do with the topic of Queensland. Someone has been inserting statements with legal implications, negating slavery of Kanakas, and inferring British sovereignty via conquest. This page will be watched closely from now on for abuse.123.211.234.247 (talk) 11:49, 26 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Attempting to remove all mention of Aboriginal presence in the area of Queensland is nonsensical. The Aboriginal peoples of the land were here long before the European construct of Queensland existed and suggesting that Queensland has replaced them makes no sense. Argument about the archaeological evidence about arrival dates is ongoing, and that is reflected in the article. This is an encyclopaedia and needs to be based on evidence, not faith. This is why we have articles about geological ages not about history according to Genesis, or any other religious belief system. If you want to contribute by adding information, or discussing issues here you are very welcome to do so. If however you want to make vague threats and blank content without good reason you are likely to get blocked from editing. Please, work with us. &#32;  Djapa Owen (talk) 13:21, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Billions of years?
"The history of Queensland spans billions of years" - who wrote this nonsense? Pangaea broke apart only 200 Mya ago. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:FE00:4103:1:0:0:0:100 (talk) 12:07, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

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drum line program to kill sharks
I do not think that this addition - of a paragraph about a drum line program to kill sharks - is appropriate in the context of the History section. In particular I think it is WP:UNDUE; it's a relatively minor issue in the history of the state. I removed it, but restored it. I still think it doesn't belong there. Other editors are invited to comment. Mitch Ames (talk) 10:00, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

See also similar edits in Western Australia:. Mitch Ames (talk) 10:58, 26 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I've copied 's post of 13:53, 26 November 2016 (UTC) below from WP:AWNB, to keep the discussion in one place. Mitch Ames (talk) 23:00, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I think it would be better suited on Drum lines. Although if Queensland was the first jurisdiction in the world to deploy them it may be of historical significance. - Shiftchange (talk) 13:53, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I propose that a section be created which is specifically about environmental issues in Queensland (and a similar one for Western Australia). I was about to add sentences about the impacts mining and deforestation have had in Queensland and Western Australia (including their impact on aboriginal peoples), but after the reverts I decided not to, at least without discussing it first. Currently the QLD and WA articles do not really mentioning anything having to do with environmental issues. The shark issue could occupy one sentence each in each of the proposed sections about environmental issues. LumaP15 (talk) 01:11, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually, according to the Drum lines article, Queensland was the first place in the word to use drum lines (in 1962). I didn't know that. Since 1962 a number of other places around the world such as KwaZulu-Natal have copied what was first done in QLD. LumaP15 (talk) 01:58, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
 * ... Queensland was the first place in the word to use drum lines... — the drum lines article may not be correct. Please discuss at Talk:Drum lines. Mitch Ames (talk) 09:31, 27 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I propose that a section be created which is specifically about environmental issues in Queensland [likewise WA]... — Per Talk:Western Australia, perhaps a better approach would be to add state-specific sections to Environmental issues in Australia. Is there really enough material for a new article for each state? Mitch Ames (talk) 08:53, 27 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Given that we now have, I propose that the paragraph in about sharks should be deleted. Mitch Ames (talk) 09:36, 27 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I think think Environmental issues in Australia is the right place as well as History of Queensland rather than this page. - Shiftchange (talk) 10:04, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Given all of the above, including Qld not necessarily being the first in the world to use drum lines, I've deleted the paragraph again. I've also added a mention of the introduction of drum lines to History of Queensland. Mitch Ames (talk) 00:23, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Separate Page for Colonies?
Hello, I'm an Australian. I'm pissed off, you know why? Our Colonies should have separate pages. Like the 13 colonies. I'm sick of it, the fact that 85% of Wikipedia is About America (Not Literally). If there are any admins, I would like your permission to create separate pages for The Colony of Queensland, Colony of New South Wales, Colony of Victoria, etc.

Thank You -The2016 The2016 (talk) 11:57, 13 January 2017 (UTC)


 * You might like to have a look at:
 * Colony of New South Wales
 * Colony of Tasmania
 * Swan River Colony
 * Note that we have existing redirects (not articles)
 * Colony of Queensland redirects to History of Queensland
 * Colony of South Australia redirects to History of South Australia
 * Colony of Victoria redirects to History of Victoria
 * Colony of Western Australia redirects to History of Western Australia (Possibly this should redirect to Swan River Colony?)
 * Mitch Ames (talk) 12:40, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Ok, but still, why do they not create separate articles for some colonies? The2016 (talk) 13:08, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Perhaps editors did not think there was sufficient material for a separate article? Or perhaps no-one has been sufficiently motivated yet? If you think there's enough material for any of those states, and you have the motivation, write an article. It might be prudent to write it as a draft first (see WP:YFA, item 7) and get it reviewed. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:42, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Ok thanks for the help The2016 (talk) 14:06, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

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Question from ThunderHenry
Guys, what should I do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThunderHenry (talk • contribs) 01:57, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I replied at User_talk:ThunderHenry. Kerry (talk) 00:30, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Qld vs QLD
Hey! It seems to be undecided about the capitalisation of the abbreviation of Queensland. I'm under the persuasion that it is capitalised (QLD) regardless of the fact that it's a single word, especially in the corroboration of the official determinations of Australia Post and the Australian Standards organisation (Standards Australia; see AS4212-1994), which oversees the application of addresses in Australian postal standards. While there have been comments made that this was endorsed because of machine learning being used to read labels in processing facilities, I doubt that this was the reasoning in 1994 when this determination was made (😂) ItsPugle (talk) 10:35, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Hey guys - my reversion was based on the rules of grammar (ie Vic, Qld and Tas are abbreviations thus only first letter is capitalised, whereas NSW, SA, WA, NT, ACT are antonyms, therefore each first initial is capitalised), also because in legal citation, it's always Qld, Vic, Cth (for Commonwealth) which is set out in the Australian guide to legal citation. I understand however that AusPost and the standard you refer to may be at odds with the traditional approach, therefore it appears it can be rendered either way - feel free to put it back to QLD if you prefer - it seems both are acceptable. Stormcrow Mithrandir  10:41, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey! That's a really interesting point with the contradiction against the legal citations guide. I think it still might be worth using capitalisation, since I would think (more like hope) that people are more likely to use Wikipedia for finding an abbreviation for postage, not a legal citation - I guess I'm working on the differential on tailoring this article for an international audience. I'm really glad that you brought this up though; it perfectly demonstrates a core issue in a lot of Australia's formalities, inconsistency. ItsPugle (talk) 10:48, 29 April 2020 (UTC)


 * ItsPugle - I didn't refer to machine learning in that other thread. I was referring to the character recognition capabilities of machines. No learning involved. And yes, there was such technology in the 1990s. It was quite primitive of course, hence the demand for Caps only. And this is simply the requirement for mail. In the rest of the real world, I believe we should stick to traditional rules of grammar as described by User:StormcrowMithrandir above. HiLo48 (talk) 11:13, 29 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Gotcha. I did mean machine vision, I just had a bit of a moment hahaha! Honestly this is just a relatively minor stylistic part of the article, so I truly am not too fused with the form it takes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ItsPugle (talk) 22:34, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * MOS:CAPSACRS tells us it is QLD, unless it is something like "scuba" which has become a word in its own right. If the capitalization was a deliberate branding, that could be different. But neither of these considerations apply here, it's a straightforward abbreviation. Kerry (talk) 09:10, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Just think of the other states. Would we ever consider writing "Sa" or "Wa" or "Nt"? Kerry (talk) 09:14, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * But Queensland isn't an acronym like SCUBA. It's a word. A word that can be abbreviated, like Victoria and Tasmania. When we write those whole words, we don't capitalise the second and third letters, so why do it in an abbreviation? And why did you ignore Vic and Tas in your examples? HiLo48 (talk) 10:48, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok, Qld is technically a contraction (retains start and end of the word), NSW ACT SA WA NT are initialisms (initial letters of each word), Vic and Tas (but not VIC and TAS) are abbreviations (the start of a word). The MOS says no to contractions so we don't write with Qld or QLD in Wikipedia but I think the others are ok (except for possibly VIC and TAS about which I am unsure what the MOS advises). BUT (incidentally not allowed in WP as it's shouting) is the question here what short form are we allowed to use in writing Wikipedia articles OR (more shouting) is the question here what information the Queensland article should provide to the reader about how the real world (which is yet to adopt the WP MOS) chooses to write Queensland in a short form? If it's the former, it's Queensland. IF it's the latter, then as discussed above, both forms are in use for different purposes. For example, QLD is our ISO code. For the average Australian, I think both QLD and Qld are in common use and would be commonly understood. I don't know where you find a citation for that though, maybe the Macquarie Dictionary. Kerry (talk) 11:22, 30 April 2020 (UTC)