Talk:Queer as Folk (American TV series)

Title
Discussion about the title of this article and its recent change can be found at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (acronyms). Feel free to contribute. -- hike395 16:31, 27 February 2005 (UTC)

Beginning and End of the Show Statement
Why do people CONTINUE to revert the sentence about the OPENING AND CLOSING STATEMENT that used to air on Queer As Folk before and after the show that stated "While Queer as Folk depicts the lives of a group of gay friends, it does not represent the gay community". I'm thinking some of you are reverting that statement because you own the DVDs. The fact does remain however, that this statement did open and close the show for the first three seasons and then was omitted in the last two. Please justify your revert thanks --Julien Deveraux 00:57, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

That box
I put that box there.. I a lot of other TV shows have them.. It needs to be edited, I thought an image would make the page more engaging... but feel free to delete it... - SweetSurrender — Preceding unsigned comment added by SweetSurrender (talk • contribs) 23:04, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Episode table
Hello:

A great deal of the changes to this page have been made by myself, particularly the newer information about the production as I am a former member of the production itself and worked on the show for four of its five seasons.

On a technical note, I don't understand why the episode table is being duplicated each time I try to delete it since I intended to add to it only once. If someone knows how to delete the duplicate table, please do so...the episode table is intended to be there only once. I assure everyone here that my editing of this article is to make it more factural since I have first-hand knowledge of this series. Any "vandalism" that someone mentioned was to my own text. My only mistake I guess was not doing it with an actual account which I have now done. Thanks and please understand I only want to make the information about this show as accurate as possible.

TorontoDrew — Preceding unsigned comment added by TorontoDrew (talk • contribs) 13:38, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Teen drama?
Can someone please explain to me how QaF is in any way, shape, or form a teen drama?

Gothic Author — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.159.111.246 (talk) 03:21, 6 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Yeah, e.g.: as we get to know in episode 509, Ted is 39 then [though he claims to turn 35 soon], so he must be 37 or so in the first season...
 * -- anonymous 00:31, 16 Oct 2006 (CEST) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.134.197.59 (talk) 22:34, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Additions to the article by TorontoDrew and verification for those additions
I have added some additional production information to the article that somehow was deleted previously when I posted it originally anonomously. I am reposting it under my signed name. The information is accurate as I was part of the production as a background actor (extra) for the last four seasons the show was on the air. --Drew 14:37, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Clarification of American/Canadian co-production
Queer as Folk, as produced for Showtime, was a American/Canadian co-production...these are the facts to support this:

American partners: Showtime Networks Inc., CowLip Productions, Tony Jonas Productions and Warner Bros. Inc. Canadian partners:  Temple Street Productions, Queer as Folk Productions Ltd. and its four successor companies

According to the information I am aware of, Showtime Network has the ownership rights and distribution rights in the U.S. and ownership rights world-wide EXCEPT for Canada. Temple Street Productions is the legal owner of the show in Canada and controller of distributions rights. Warner Bros. Inc. has the distribution rights to the series outside the U.S. and Canada.

--Drew 22:10, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Series DVD availability in the UK
Hi there,

I am struggling to find out when/if seasons 2-5 are, or, are going to be made availble on Region 2 format. I have searched/asked all the main DVD distributors I can think of, including HMV in the UK who had the release of Season 1 US version for the UK.

I am unable to contact Showcase, as their website is not accessable from outside the US.

Any help would be much apreciated.

Regards,

Richard, UK --82.152.28.82 14:54, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi Richard,

I wouldn't take this as gospel but I have heard of no plans by Showtime to release the North American (aka the U.S.) version of Queer as Folk in any format other than Region 1 NTSC. I suspect the reason is that the series, other than seasons 1 and 2, has not been widely enough released in other non-North American countries to warrant a release in other DVD formats besides Region 1 NTSC. To my knowledge, the only other English-speaking country where all five seasons of the series have been broadcast is Australia. I have heard in Britain that only some of the seasons have been shown but not all of them.

From what I know, the main priority for Showtime regarding QAF now is to get it running "off-network" which means selling the rerun broadcast rights to another cable channel the way HBO did with its Sex And The City. They claim to be negotiating with unspecified U.S. cable channels but things have been going slowly I'm sure due to the content of the series and the fact that each episode will have to be heavily edited for language and content before it can be shown on any standard U.S. cable channel.

BTW...the Showcase website WAS accessible by anyone...Showcase is the Canadian cable channel that aired the show and had a web site devoted to the series even though they were no longer broadcasting it...that website, unfortunately was taken down by Showcase at the beginning of February 2006 and is no longer available...you were probably thinking of the Showtime website in the U.S. which is in fact not accessible by anyone who has an IP address that is not an officially U.S. registered address.

Drew 18:29, 7 February 2006 (UTC)


 * But Series One has actually been released on DVD in the UK, which is why Richard was asking about series 2-5. Also, in the UK we have seen four seasons of QAF and I would imagine that the fifth will be broadccast too.  Maybe the UK DVD has nothing to do with Showtime?  It was only available from HMV after all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.225.5.163 (talk) 01:23, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


 * You are correct, the UK release of the North American version of QAF has nothing to do with Showtime. The non-North American rights to the series are held by Warner Bros. Television International Distribution and they would generally make the decisions on when QAF DVDs are released outside region 1. Generally speaking, it's been my experience that non-region 1 DVDs of North American series are much slower to be issued than in region 1. Sometimes, that even extends to region 1 as well. For example, QAF was actually made in Canada here in Toronto [I was a member of the background cast for seasons 2-5] but while the season 5 DVDs are available in the USA as I write this there is no release date for Canada. Canadian releases tend to be a week to a month behind the US release but this time, no one knows why there is no Canadian release date. The Canadian DVDs are also not distributed by Showtime either but rather by Alliance-Atlantis, the parent company of the cable network Showcase that QAF ran on.
 * I suspect that someday, there will be a region 2 set of DVDs for the entire series but as of now, I have not heard of any plans by Warner to do this. And this may possibly be because one season has not been broadcast in the UK yet. TV companies are fickle like that. For my part, I hope and want Brits to be able to see the entire series so I will hope that Warner does plan on releasing region 2 sets soon.
 * Drew 12:36, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

characters
There needs to be a better descrition of the characters. There's one of Bryan but it leads into a mentioning of just about all of the characters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.217.6.9 (talk) 01:32, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

I added the rest of the "starring cast," to the box ... Peter Paige (season 1-5), Scott Lowell, (seasons 1-5) Thea Gill, (seasons 1-5) Michelle Clunie, (seasons 1-5) and Robert Gant, (seasons 2-5) because for some unknown reason they weren't included. Considering that all of these actors appeared in at least 4 or more seasons of the series, I felt they should be included too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abisel (talk • contribs) 15:42, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Good idea, I agree with you that all of the cast members should be listed here. I was a member of the background cast of the series from seasons two to five and worked with everyone of them so knowing how important their contributions were to the series, they all deserve to be acknowledged. --Drew 17:26, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Nearly all of the characters have their own bio page. Those without are Lindsay Peterson and Melanie Marcus.

At the start of Queer As Folk Brian is 29. By the end he is 34. This means that the whole series went for around 5 years (in the QAF universe).

-Klarth — Preceding unsigned comment added by Klarth (talk • contribs) 11:37, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

"Brian Kinney: a literal sex machine" If this were true, Brian would actually be a machine... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.16.14.155 (talk) 22:23, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Who played the porn star Zack O'tool? what are his other on-air appearances in other shows. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.111.193.9 (talk) 15:56, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

"People of Color"
I'm referring to a reference that was removed in this article on "people of color" in favor of "non-white." If you go to the "people of color" article it says that the reason it is offensive is because of the us-vs-them attitude with the focus being whites and non-whites. If you are going to use the term non-white you might as well use the term "people of color". The phrase DOES NOT just refer to african americans, it refers to all non-caucasion peoples.--Torourkeus 20:53, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Wrong David Wellington
Obviously, the link toward David Wellington is not the good one (director vs. writer, born in Canada vs. in Pittsburgh).

I neither know anything to say about the QAF David Wellington, nor how to make a disambiguation page, nor if it'd be very appropriate toward an empty page.

If someone could do anything about that ?

Otherwise I might come back in a week or so and create a very minimalistic page about the guy, but I really don't feel like I'm the good one for I don't heard of him before noticing this mistaking link ....

romdam — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.114.84.98 (talk) 13:45, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Music of QAF, Babylon tour
There seems to be very little mention of the soundtrack of the series (the music was very important to the show) or the CDs of music from the show or the "Babylon" tour which I think is going on it's 3rd or 4th year. Would be worthy of it's own section. Benjiboi 11:02, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Showcase Broacast Schedule For The Series
I have reverted the article back to indicating that Showcase in Canada was running Queer as Folk in a 1 hour 10 minute time block by the time the series was in its last season because of so many advertisers. Someone had changed it to 90 minutes which is incorrect. I can attest to the broadcast schedule since I watched every single broadcast Showcase ever ran of the series. The extension of the series time block from 60 minutes began in the third season and varied between 65 and 70 minutes per episode with a few exceptions, one of which was the series finale which ran 75 minutes on Showcase with commercials. At no time did Showcase ever broadcast the series over a 90 minute time block during its entire 5 season run with the sole exception of the pilot episode which (in it's Canadian version) ran 2 1/2 hours with commercials and which was broadcast only once. When the pilot was re-aired later in 2001, it was split into three episodes which ran in 60 minute time blocks. Drew 04:47, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

The final scene
The final scene was more like a fantasy than reality. Where were their indications that it was going to be re-built? Joemaza 00:36, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

The actors' sexual orientations
I disagree with Melsaran's edit. What is controversial or potentially libelous about the actors' sexual orientations? I think the series teaches us to relax about this entirely, so I will restore the valuable background info. Roman Czyborra 11:17, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Melsaran has also been involved with other potentially-homophobic actions across Wikipedia, and has since been banned. - Cyborg Ninja 15:04, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

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Criticisms & List of Cities.
So I notice this morning that an anon IP removed Houston from the list of cities with a gay area of the city. Since I've put this page on my watchlist, I've seen many changes this particular sentence adding and deleting names of towns. There appears to never be any particular reason to add or delete a town. I've never reverted or changed the section because I don't think I am fit to solely determine what cities belong on this list.

So, I'm wondering if there should be a discussion on what cities belong on this list so that that sentence can stay stable. (IOW, any edits made to the list following the discussion can be reverted back to the agreed upon list.) We can think of this as a Request for Discussion without making it an official RfD.

My Thoughts: I'm interested to hear what others believe. So, please chime in with your thoughts. --TreyGeek (talk) 12:26, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * A list of cities, regardless of the size of their gay communities, does not add to the article.
 * A selected group of cities, which are truely "urbane" and "sophisticated" (as mentioned previously in the sentence before the list of cities) and are generally known by most people is appropriate.
 * San Francisco should be on the 'list' since it is known throughout the world as a gay center of activity (whether it is or not).
 * I'm unsure that Los Angeles, Chicago, or Atlanta should be on the list. I'll admit, I'm not well traveled to these cities, but I can't recall hearing of a significant gay area of these towns (though someone might argue West LA & Hollywood).
 * Miami and Montreal may be alright, I have no opinion one way or another.
 * Houston and Dallas both have gay areas and been on versions of this 'list,' but I'm not sure how well known they are outside of their respective areas (or Texas).
 * I don't really see what a list of cities has to do with the actual topic of the article myself. Sounds rather off-topic.Doniago (talk) 19:43, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I can it being useful to those who have never seen the show. We can describe QaF's version of Pittsburgh in a way that can be related to real life cities.  To simply say the show is set in Pittsburgh may be misleading as what is depicted may not reflect what is really in the city.  --TreyGeek (talk) 16:05, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * How about "a fictionalized Pittsburgh"? (he said a bit tongue-in-cheek)Doniago (talk) 15:13, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Since when and why?
Since when and why people started editing the discussion as well and deleting the comments of others? I wrote my fantasy of QAF in 2009 and some SOB has deleted that. Can I ask why? Realton (talk) 18:23, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Show premise
Just a suggestion if gay/homosexual could be taken out of the first sentence, it looks excessive. (ex: The series follows the lives of five gay men living in Pittsburgh). There was recently a dispute going on with an IP and a few other users between gay/homosexual. Versus22 talk 17:10, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't believe gay can or should be taken out. After all, the show's premise is about 5 gay men, not just 5 men.  The fact they are gay (as is most of the characters on the show beyond the 5 featured ones) is a significant part of the series.  --TreyGeek (talk) 17:12, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with Versus22, lets take it out of the first sentence but leave it in the second paragraph? - Kingpin13 (talk) 17:26, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know. It seems kind of fundamental to the premise of the show to me, unless (I haven't seen all episodes) it's disputed that they're gay? Gonzonoir (talk) 17:36, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with Treygeek and Gonzonoir. This is a show about gay men, not a show about men who happen to be gay. Maybe we'll live in a post-gay world someday where shows aren't built on this premise, but we don't yet, and this show is built on this premise. The clue's in the title. garik (talk) 17:55, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I just read a mail-order catalog of gay DVD titles yesterday, and in their advertisements for Queer As Folk the producers were specifically describing the television series as a show about the lives of gay characters, and their friends. The product packaging and all promotional materials were quite positively using the terms gay and queer as primary descriptions of the stories, the characters, and the settings. ~Teledildonix314~Talk~4-1-1~ 18:19, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It seems to be fundamental to the set-up of the show. I don't understand the reason for wanting to remove it. Aleta  Sing 18:40, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Are we really having this discussion? The show's title is QUEER as Folk.. as in GAY as Folk. The 5 men are GAY. That's the show's premise and plot. Leave it where it is. - &#10032; ALLST☆R &#10032; echo 04:53, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed - the premise really is that they are gay. All it's marketing and controversy (and title!) emphesise this. It is far more important that they are gay than they that they are men for example. (why are the 2 lesbians not in that sentence anyway? They get their own scenes, are in almost every episode, etc) [Ah, sneaky semi-colons!]. So it should be prominently featured, with the word gay staying where it is.YobMod 17:52, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Characters :/
Does anyone else think that it's weird that Brian's assistant at his work has an bio but there isn't one for George, Leda, or Chris Hobbs? Anyone else think we should fix this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.55.170.113 (talk) 19:11, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

DVD releases and other unsourced material
I've removed this section and relocated other unsourced material here. The article has been tagged for needing sourcing for over 2 years and there's no reason to use a rather cruft'y table for the DVD releases when prose would suffice. The DVD release table was not playing nicely with the collapse template, so I've linked to the original material. Doniago (talk) 13:18, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Wrong about Toronto for internal shots only
The statement that the internal shots were done in Toronto is a mis-statement. Anyone who knows the city at all will recognize that its outdoors also feature largely in the series, especially the venues of Church Street and the Annex. 24.85.238.166 (talk) 19:41, 7 February 2013 (UTC)Nooc1

Unsourced Material
Article has been tagged since 2009 for needing sources. Please feel free to reinsert the below information with appropriate citations. DonIago (talk) 20:31, 28 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I am going to call this a bit bias. Not unlike your removal of the DVD release section and the Awards section. This whole article basically exists with only a few references. All but a single section of it could be moved here to the talk page for the very same reason you moved the production section. The ONLY part that is pretty much a total bloody lie is that exterior shots were filmed in Pittsburgh. Maybe a few were for some iconic landmarks but it is soooooooo recognisable as Toronto that it is hard for any informed person to deny. Of course there are people who will deny it because it was on Showtime and nothing on Showtime isn't made in America.
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Based on the British series created by Russell T Davies, Queer as Folk was the first hour-long drama on American television to portray the lives of gay men and women. Although it was set in Pittsburgh, PA, interior scenes were actually shot in Toronto and employed various Canadian directors known for their independent film work (including Bruce McDonald, David Wellington, Kelly Makin, John Greyson, Jeremy Podeswa and Michael DeCarlo) as well as Australian director Russell Mulcahy (Highlander) who directed the pilot episode. Additional writers in the later seasons included Michael MacLennan, Efrem Seeger, Brad Fraser, Del Shores, and Shawn Postoff.
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! style="background-color: #CFC;" | Show premise ==Show premise== The series follows the lives of five gay men living in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, Brian, Justin, Michael, Emmett, and Ted; a lesbian couple, Lindsay and Melanie; and Michael's mother Debbie and his uncle Vic. Another main character, Ben, was added in the second season.
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! style="background-color: #CFC;" | Show history ==Show history== The show drew strong ratings for both Showtime and Canada's Showcase. In fact, in Canada, the series had such high ratings that by the end of the fifth season Showcase chose to air the show in hour-and-ten-minute timeblocks to accommodate all the ads without cutting any scenes. This was not a problem for Showtime, since that service is commercial-free and no ads were ever broadcast during a Queer as Folk telecast.
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The series ran for five seasons (2000 to 2005 on Showtime and 2001 to 2005 on Showcase).

Canada's Showcase, which was making a great deal of money from the advertising demand, did briefly consider producing a sixth season, but as Showtime owned much of the rights to the series and funded much of the budget, Showcase decided against it.

Another U.S. cable channel owned by Viacom, Logo, began broadcasting edited, commercially sponsored episodes of Queer as Folk on September 21, 2006.

As of January 9, 2008, Showcase began offering the Canadian version of the Queer as Folk episodes on their website. These Canadian versions differ from the Showtime and DVD versions in that they have breaks within the episodes (where commercials would have been inserted) and make references to "Showcase" and "Temple Street Productions presents" instead of "Showtime presents". Unlike the Season 1 DVDs, episodes 101 and 102 are presented separately and episode 102 is the rare extended version of the episode, created for broadcast during reruns of the first season and not seen since 2002. The first seven episodes were posted on January 9 and one additional episode was posted each week after.
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Main characters

Secondary characters
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The first episode finds the four friends ending a night at Babylon, a popular gay club. Brian picks up and has sex with Justin, who falls in love with him and eventually becomes more than a one-night-stand. Brian also becomes a father that night, bearing a son with Lindsay through artificial insemination.

Michael's seemingly unrequited love for Brian fuels the story, which he occasionally narrates in voice-over. Justin's coming out and budding relationship with Brian has unexpected effects on Brian and Michael's lives much to Michael's dismay as Justin is only 17 years old. Justin confides in his straight high-school friend Daphne, while struggling to deal with homophobic classmates and his dismayed, divorcing parents, Craig and Jennifer. Later in the second season Justin and Michael co-create the sexually explicit underground comic Rage, featuring a "Gay Crusader" superhero based on Brian.

Brian's son Gus, being raised by Lindsay and Melanie, becomes the focus of several episodes as issues of parental rights come to the fore. Ted is Melanie's accountant who once harbored a longstanding crush on Michael. He and Emmett begin as best friends, but briefly become lovers later in the series. Their relationship ends as Ted, unemployed and with a criminal record earned from running a legitimate porn website that was targeted by a Chief of Police running for Mayor, becomes addicted to crystal meth. In the fourth season, Brian, who has lost his job by assisting Justin in opposing an anti-gay political client, starts his own agency. Michael marries Ben Bruckner, an HIV-positive college professor, and the couple adopts a teenage son, James "Hunter" Montgomery, who is also HIV-positive as a result of his experiences as a young hustler.

Ted's affair with a handsome crystal meth addict, Blake Wyzecki, sets the pattern for Ted's later tragic but ultimately redeeming experiences with drug addiction.

Melanie and Lindsay's relationship, while on the surface seeming more of a "stable" relationship, is actually quite tumultuous and controversial. Each cheats on the other at various points in the series; both tackle on a threesome shortly after they marry and become separated for much of the 4th and 5th seasons. Melanie is impregnated by Michael (through artificial insemination, as Lindsay was) in the third season, so that best friends Brian and Michael become co-fathers to Lindsay and Melanie's children. Melanie gives birth to a girl, Jenny Rebecca, over whom Melanie, Lindsay, and Michael have a brief legal custody battle following the women's transitory break-up. Brian's new advertising agency, Kinnetik, becomes highly successful both through a combination of Brian's customer loyalty and his edgier advertising. As a result of this, Brian is able to purchase Club Babylon from its bankrupt owner.

In the fifth and final season the boys have become men, and the series, perhaps more comfortable in its role in gay entertainment, tackles political issues head-on and with much more fervor.

A political campaign called "Proposition 14" is depicted during much of the final season as a looming threat to the main characters. This proposition, like so many real-life recent legislative moves that have affected many U.S. states, threatens to outlaw same-sex marriage, adoption and other family civil rights. The many ways in which such a proposition would affect the characters are depicted through nearly every episode. Debbie, Justin, Jennifer, Daphne, Emmett, Ted, Michael, Ben, Lindsay, Melanie and the children are depicted standing up and fighting against this proposition both by active canvassing, political contributions and other democratic processes, but are met with staunch opposition, discrimination, outright hatred and political setbacks.

The show climaxes near the end of the series when a benefit to support opposition to Proposition 14 hosted at Brian's club Babylon (after repeated relocations of the benefit, due to discrimination) is attacked by a bomb that initially kills 4, and eventually another 3 and injures 67.

This horrible event sets the bittersweet tone for the final three episodes, in which Brian, frightened by this third possible loss of Justin, finally declares his love for him. The two even plan to marry, but Justin's artistic abilities get noticed by a New York art critic and the two decide, for the time being at least, in favor of a more realistic approach to a stormy relationship that nevertheless works for their characters. Melanie and Lindsay, realizing they have more in common than they don't, resume their relationship but relocate to Canada to "raise [their children] in an environment where they will not be called names, singled out for discrimination, or ever have to fear for their life."

Emmett becomes a Queer-Eye type TV presenter but is later fired when professional football player Drew Boyd kisses him on the news to signify his coming out. Ted confronts his midlife crisis head-on and finally reunites with Blake. Hunter returns and the Novotny-Bruckner family perseveres.

The series came full circle with the final scenes staged in the restored Babylon nightclub. In the final scene, Brian dances to Heather Small's "Proud," a song that accompanied a pivotal scene between Brian and Michael in the very first episode of the series. It ends with a final narration by Michael:

"So the "thumpa thumpa" continues. It always will. No matter what happens. No matter who's president. As our lady of Disco, the divine Miss Gloria Gaynor has always sung to us: We will survive."
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The result of the move request was: Moved to suggestion with consensus (non-admin closure) — Andy W.  ( talk  · ctb) 22:31, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Queer as Folk (2000 TV series) → Queer as Folk (Showtime TV series) – Or Queer as Folk (North American TV series) or Queer as Folk (American TV series). The year itself is a little more confusing as Queer as Folk (UK TV series) was released a year earlier. Either a channel name or nationality is clearer than the year itself. I would go for (Canadian TV series), but the setting of the Showtime version was San Francisco while the filming took place in Toronto. This leaves me three alternatives instead. George Ho (talk) 19:50, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose. No benefit to using a longer name when date DAB is commonly used in TV series titles. Nohomersryan (talk) 20:35, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Almost forgot Queer as Folk (U.S. TV series), Nohomersryan. --George Ho (talk) 20:59, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh wait, can you say at least "move to Queer as Folk"? "Oppose" looks confusing when you say the contrary. --George Ho (talk) 21:00, 24 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Strong support move of some kind! Because the most well-known TV series by that name was released merely one year earlier, using the release year for disambiguation leads to confusion. Furthermore, the North American series was an adaptation of the year-older British series, and the British series' article also covers Queer as Folk 2 (released in 2000), leading to the unusual circumstance where year disambiguation isn't the best option.  ONR  (talk) 00:02, 27 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose, but to make it clear, just leave the show name as it is now. And for the record, I thought that user George Ho was taking a wiki Break? So why is this even being brought up? 76.123.200.158 (talk) 03:00, 27 July 2016 (UTC)


 * The correct disambigation would be Queer as Folk (U.S. TV series), not Queer as Folk (American TV series) (which should not be used) – see WP:NCTVUS. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:29, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Support Queer as Folk (U.S. TV series). Country of origin is clearly a more recognizable way to distinguish from Queer as Folk (UK TV series), especially as the UK show also had a season airing in 2000. If the issue with "U.S." is that it's a Canadian co-production, Queer as Folk (North American TV series) would be a goo out of the box solution.--Cúchullain t/ c 18:05, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Support Queer as Folk (U.S. TV series) per User:Cuchullain. Better and more recognizable dab. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 20:30, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Support Queer as Folk (U.S. TV series) – that is the best of the available choices here. And while it may have been filmed in Canada, I think the Americans put up most of the production money... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 08:08, 3 August 2016 (UTC)


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Cast's sexual orientation
I've separated that part of the article into its own section, and completely rewritten it, as it contained a lot of misinformation, some of which were cleared up as the years went by. Some of the problems fixed:
 * 1) The part where the actors were unwilling to talk about their sexuality during the show's run: fixed that to indicate that at the very least, it was Harold and Lowell who were not willing to talk about it.
 * 2) Added section where the cast's sexuality was revealed on a Larry King Live show in 2002, and how Gant was actually identified as straight on the show, but later came out.
 * 3) Added portion talking about the cast discussing their sexuality in the years since QAF ended.

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2022 series
Title should be moved to Queer as Folk (2000 TV series) as there will soon be two American versions of the show. One released in 2000 and the other in 2022. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dannybaby1234 (talk • contribs) 01:23, 14 April 2022 (UTC)