Talk:Quentin Elias

Unsourced
Due to concerns about this article, its content must be properly sourced. Anything that isn't should be reverted. --Michael Snow 05:33, 14 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Apparently to a poorly train simpleton, the article is based on a measly article of poor journalism. The article's editor who has never had any formal trainer as a writer seems to not read the biography posted on the artist's website. He also semes to erase all valid links to the artist, proving that he is not a credible writer or source of information. I would like others to visit the artist website and navigate the entire website. Read the biography and see the ludicrous claims that I originally posted in the proper article. --User:XLR8TION —Preceding undated comment added 03:30, 17 April 2006 (UTC).


 * Revisiting this, it seems that even the one reference is not particularly good. Not surprisingly for the industry, it gives what is apparently a false birth year, causing some confusion on the timeline. I find the contrary source more believable, but it has the problem of being little more than an old fanpage. Also, I commented out the birthplace as other sources seem to indicate he was born in Mende, Lozère, and only grew up in Marseille. Basically, there's a lack of decent sources about this person on the internet, and some offline research would be necessary for anything in this article to be reliable. --Michael Snow 23:01, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Sourcing
I have removed or commented out material from this article. The sources are poor, and an anglefire fan site is not a reliable source. Please only rebuild with proper sourcing. Particularly be careful with the DOB, where the sources seem to conflict. Please keep in mind the policies on biographies.--Docg 10:58, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

help find legitimate sources
ok sources on Quentin Elias are extremely hard to come by on the internet. I had to erase my previous additions due to the unreliability of the sources I have received them from. I am going to my local library and try to find some legitimate information. I would truely love some assistance! --naskgetty (UTC)

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as stub, and the rating on other projects was brought up to Stub class. BetacommandBot 03:20, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

minor edits
hey, so I added him to the Arab singers template and did a few minor edits to the info box, such as changing the background color and his name in Arabic. Hopefully this will gather more attention and people can help expand the article! Good luck! --128.54.60.92 7:09, 10 November 2007(UTC)

general notability guideline
As part of the effort to build the criteria for this article, I used the two references listed to cite what information is provided. I searched the artist on Billboard and amazon and both show him and his albums. Here is the weblink for his discography on Billboard. . The article also seems to be in the scope of several wikiprojects. So apparently, there are sources for this artist; however, the editors of the article seem to have trouble citing and editing. I want to expand on this article but I need help. Britneyishot 05:50, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

p.s. I need help with the reference because the page is not being redirected like it should when you click on the numbers Britneyishot 05:55, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Arabic
I removed the "arabic" part in the infobox and at the article's beginning. Quentin Elias may be only a stage name (Quentin is not an arabic name, although Elias could be) so it seemed useless to transliterate it into arabic. Moreover, his actual ethnic background has never been really publicized : many French sources still claim that he is of Spanish descent, even though he himself clarified the matter in one interview. During his French career, he sang in French, and he has been singing essentially in English during his American career, so he does not fit into the "Arabic Pop" category. Wedineinheck (talk) 11:14, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Is of origin of French origin, parents of Algerian Kabyle origin.(Boileaux L) 22 April 2014 — Preceding undated comment added 08:42, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Rentboy
It seems that the information about him being listed as "Mike" on rentboy.com is very much accurate. IMHO, the photos count as reliable sources, since not only does the person featured on rentboy looks exactly - and I do mean exactly - like him, but he also has the same tatoo on his right shoulder. Compare here and here. This is a bit too much of a coincidence. So, unless "Mike" is using pictures of Quentin Elias to advertise himself - and I don't think any professional male or female prostitute would actually do that unless he/she wants to lose all of his/her clients after a while - we have to assume that they are the same person. One of the pictures of "Mike" is visibly taken from the same serie of pictures of "Q", aka Quentin Elias : compare the hats. Wedineinheck (talk) 14:56, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I can confirm this personally but I know that personal knowledge doesn't seem to belong in Wikipedia. He also told me that he is "a little" gay and had participated in Pride events in Paris but didn't make a big deal out of it. He was a really good person in spite of the superficiality and blurring of the truth that can come with being a celebrity. We talked the evening after the day the desert scenes in "So Far" were filmed. Kenetha65 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.129.31.205 (talk) 12:38, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

NPOV Tag
Please see Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard. Nan oha A's Yu ri    Talk, My master 02:12, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

REGARDING DISPUTE !

The person 88.224.138.28 keeps deleting the facts on this article at one point it wasnt true and now because they found out it was. Its now a promotion issue. All the article has been re vised by electro boy inc records and its artist Quentin Elias. We represent Quentin Elias in a musical forum and also represent him in all business aspects of his career. All the links and references that are part of this article are of FACTS and not outdated web sites that do not have the here and now of this artist. So i would like to ask this person to stop all the dispute issues because it the artist uses wiki to help sort out facts from fiction and to keep everyone updated on his career.

thank you,

flash electro boy inc records electroboyinc@aol.com

Quentin Elias www.myspace.com/quentinelias



The future of the article
I stripped the article to the bones last night, after an edit conflict with the apparent representation for Mr. Elias which lead to the account for Electroboyinc (talk · contribs) being temporarily blocked from editing.

All information of biographies of living persons must be sourced by reliable sources. Reliable sources are not his myspace, the word of his label, blogs, or any other such website. This is not a negotiable policy, you cannot base an encyclopedic article on intimate knowledge. There is no flexibility to the issue.

Additionally, the article is not to serve as a promotional work and may not be filled with puff and cushion. This is not negotiable.

The management and artist are best served to leave the article alone at this time, until Wikipedia policies and guidelines can be both applied and followed. This is all spoken with the admin hat on. Keegan talk 05:15, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Lead sentence
Tweaked per WP:MOSBIO. Can we include why she is notable in the lead? TIA --Tom 17:15, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Retweaked. --Tom (talk) 17:35, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Edit war

 * It's apparent that artist or artist management are trying to change biography and removed referenced material. They continue to put unverifiable material which has no valid reference links and remain unregistered. If you check past conversations, edits by artist/manager is nothing new.--XLR8TION (talk) 18:11, 18 June 2009 (UTC)


 * As Marine 69-71 has protected the article (see log), I will remove the request for assistance at Third opinion. — Athaenara  ✉  22:22, 18 June 2009 (UTC)


 * It's not an edit war. I have not added "unverifiable material". On the contrary, I have removed it. This article was previously been tagged and had come to a point that all VERIFYABLE points had been posted. Then XLR8TION began vanalizing the page AGAIN. I am NOT the artist/manager...just a fan from Ohio. But, the libelous additions made by XLR8TION moved me to take action, as I have watched him/her do this exact same thing previously. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.66.245.190 (talk) 10:30, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The article has been built up from it's measly beginning and the unregistered editor removes all the material (WHICH HAS VERIFIABLE SOURCES & LINKS) removing stuff that pertains to the subject. I find this a "conflict of interest". The artist's manager (Electro Boy Records) has made many edits that have resulted in edit wars. This is nothing new. Before editing, please state what you plan on editing and your reasons why. Nothing in this article is libelous. Furthermore, the articles written on the subject in French and Catalan also contain the same exact information regarding his pornography and escorting careers. Photos show proof that he has served as a model for various gay-related websites and retailers. So please give up your weak excuse and stop deleting referenced material. That is simply vandalism! --XLR8TION (talk) 17:13, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Just because it is written in a blog somewhere does not make it true. Again, I AM NOT his manager/promoter...just a fan. I actually talked to him (via his web page) regarding this and he told me not to worry about it. He said EVERYONE knows that Wikipedia is not true in any way, shape or form and is not to be taken seriously. I tend to agree with him now. If the artist can't post truthful information, management can't post truthful information and fans can't post truthful information...then that only leaves libelous haters like XLR8TION. So, if anyone reads this...NOT MUCH IN THIS ARTICLE IS TRUE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.66.245.190 (talk) 22:28, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * You just said. You speak to him. That is a conflict of interest! You just disvalidated yourself. No subject can control the content of their article. Recently Wikipedia put a ban on the Church of Scientology for the same reason. Nothing in article is libelous as it can be proven and validated with reference sources. How can it be libelous when all models need to sign release forms when modeling or doing pornography. Apparently the education system in Ohio is not to par with the rest of the country. Very sad! --XLR8TION (talk) 23:13, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. You have totally proven my point for me by editing MY posts on this page. Again, if anyone wants the REAL info on Quentin Elias, check out his Google Site at QuentinEliasMusic. OH! And BTW- before you knock good old Ohio education, check to see 'disvalidated' is actually a word in the ENGLISH dictionary, okay? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.66.245.190 (talk) 12:54, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Little girl, please go away until you know how to properly edit and source an article. You apparently have something to hide since you remain unregistered, hence an anonymous editor with no reputation. You probably change your IP address more than your underwear. Follow this site's principles by learning how to properly write an article, not delete anyone's edits without a valid explanation and learning how to properly discuss and dispute differences on here. Until then you remain a joke. By the way, typos are common for people who type quickly. They probably didn't teach you that in Ohio, although probably learned how to milk cows with one hand.--XLR8TION (talk) 17:33, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Well bless your pea-pickin soul! At least now, you're getting closer!! Thanks! The article now is getting closer and closer to THE TRUTH! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.66.245.190 (talk) 10:16, 22 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Woah, I think everyone needs to take a breath and look at Civility; "Even during heated debates, editors should behave reasonably, calmly, and courteously, in order to keep the focus on improving the encyclopedia and to help maintain a pleasant work environment." Am86 (talk) 07:52, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Am86, I agreed, but as the anonymous editor stated, she does work for the subject and even promotes his website on here (I deleted the link since it is spam). This is a major conflict of interest. Deleting material that is referenced is unethical and wrong. Furthermore, she appears to be a poorly educated soul who doesn't know model releases the Federal Labeling and Record-Keeping Law (also known as 18 U.S.C. 2257) which is a model/actor's release to do pornography. This law was propelled after the Traci Lords scnadal of the 1980s when she filmed most of her films under the age of 18. Pornographers own the likeness of the videos used. Same thing goes for photographers who have a model release on file. The actor/actress/model who signs a release has NO right to sue for damages or royalties per all legal contracts and releases which all pornography and photographers have on file.--XLR8TION (talk) 18:23, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I CLEARLY stated that I am just a fan and do not (I repeat, DO NOT!) work for Quentin Elias. I only said I sent him a message through his web site about THIS. Talk about poorly educated!! You obviously have no reading comprehension! I never had any problem with the modeling or Randy Blue references...he did it and has spoken very openly about it! My main issue was with some of the more blog 'gossipy' items you have placed on the page. Again, because someone writes it on a blog does NOT make it a reliable source! I could write in a blog somewhere that YOU'RE a female, and that would suddenly make it true? And...I did give you props for getting there. The article now is closer to the truth, but still not factual. So, keep trying and maybe, EVENTUALLY you'll get it right!

Whatever! The fact that you speak to him on the phone is simply a conflict of interest. There is no original research allowed on here! It's best you use your time to learn how to write a proper article and source it than to delete edits. You apparently are a young lass who is in love with a gay singer who watches MTV and writes articles for Tiger Beat. This is not Tiger Beat young lady.--XLR8TION (talk) 16:26, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Wow! You really DON'T have any reading comprehension, do you? I NEVER said I spoke to him on the phone. What kind of moron would surmise that? As you said to me..."Go away little girl" until you can actually see past whatever your hatred for Quentin Elias is (and his fans). No one really gives a damn about what you have to post here anyway. Everyone knows you are a joke, because you STILL haven't gotten it right!


 * Young lady, here is the link to Tiger Beat and Bop! magazines . Feel free to write to the magazine and post your unsourced, biased and conflict of interest articles here anytime. If you plan on writing on this site, please follow the rules. Have fun writing articles for Tiger Beat young lady! --XLR8TION (talk) 20:45, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Ha ha ha!!! If I had posted one link, JUST ONE LINK that might actually make sense! But you just keep proving that you have a major problem with reading comprehension. Get an education honey! If the BEST you can do is to be a major contributor to Wikipedia well, by God, I guess that is what you'll have to do! LOL! God bless ya! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.66.245.190 (talk) 10:16, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Wiki policy on linking to erotic sites
Some of the references for the article are links to sites that are definitely NSFW. Is there a policy on linking to those kinds of sites? Does there need to be an NSFW warning? Aristophanes68 (talk) 23:41, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, found this: What_Wikipedia_is_not. Aristophanes68 (talk) 00:02, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Removal of Information by user Benjiboi
Please discuss on this page for removing resourced and properly grammar material in this article. Your unconstructive edits will be reverted unless you provide a valid reason for each edit.--XLR8TION (talk) 04:22, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Information on his Alliage days are already in his musical career section.--XLR8TION (talk) 04:26, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Please see our manual of style, all of my clean-up has been to remove poorly constructed phrasing and format the references. The only "sourced content" removed was extraneous "crufty" and peacock language, for instance:


 * In 2007, Elias appeared an episode of the popular MTV series, My Super Sweet 16 which premiered on September 25, 2007. In the episode, he was hired by a teenage girl from Ohio to perform at her Sweet Sixteen birthday bash

I turned into:


 * In September 2007, Elias appeared an episode of MTV's, My Super Sweet 16 hired to perform at a Sweet Sixteen birthday event.

This is cleaner, more concise and more encyclopedic, we don't say the series was popular as that is subjective, let that article on that show explain it. We don't call it a birthday bash as it's unneeded, it's a Sweet 16 party which by default is a 16th birthday party. Ero that is redundant. Your tenacious editing here is degrading the article and you should consider letting others clean this up. And per WP:Lede we summarize the entire article in the lede including at least a mention of Alliage. -- Banj e b oi   04:30, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The sweet 16 party held for the girl in Ohio was a big bash as plenty of money was spent to commemorate her 16th borthday. It's not opinionated or over descriptive, as the party had a theme and a large venue was utilized to film the event. The show wasn't too popular, however the information on the MTV website was the only valid source I could find besides using a YouTube link.

Furthermore, the article doesn't degrade, but puts the facts out there. Adult film stars live a life where they can't live in shame as their ssex appeal or sexual performances on film or in print ads is what makes them notable. A good example is Madonna's "Sex" book which she cavorted nude and in various sexual positions. She published the book, can't hide that fact and although her life has changed it is still there.

You opinion?--XLR8TION (talk) 04:35, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Please do not make any changes to article until I formally request assistance with editing differences. Many thanks!--XLR8TION (talk) 04:38, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


 * It's unneeded and subjective to call it a bash, leave it out. If a reliable source notes it was the biggest Sweet 16 party because of Elias' involvement then state that. I'm not censoring anything you may want to look at List of male performers in gay porn films, how I first came to this article, as I am the main author there. In short we need to dispassionately present the facts and let the reader decide what to think about them, if we add in trivial information it makes Elias and Wikipedia look ... trivial. We want to report the most notable facts about Elias and let them speak to who he is and what he does. And no, anyone can edit this article including myself, I've cleaned up hundreds of articles and made these exact changes across all subject areas. Please don't pretend I'm anti-porn or anti-anything else - I'm not. -- Banj e  b oi   04:42, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


 * No, never had that thought at all. The reason I watch this article and a couple of gay-related articles is for several reasons:


 * Prevent subjects from editing their own article (conflict of interest). I and other editors have had to revert, block and delete edits by the subject and/or his management that made the article more of an ad than anything. Also, several psycho fans have deleted sourced info simply because they don't want already known public information such as his porn career from appearing in article. I am totally against censorship!
 * Remove publicity info for non-notable subjects who might have some connection with article's subject.
 * Removal of homophobic material.
 * Removal of unsourced info. If there is valid proof such a claim is out there I always place a "citation" request.

The lead sentence argument is fine. Simply spruce it up a bit more just to look more concise. It doesn't look properly structured at the moment in my opinion.--XLR8TION (talk) 04:52, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Question, why remove the quotation mark symbols when it helps bring out the subjects own words more out?--XLR8TION (talk) 04:54, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * None of the issues concern my editing here. I was removing trivial and undue information, formatting references and generally cleaning up rather sloppy prose including basic grammar. I trimmed the quote and integrated it into the text rather than have it be a stand-out quote. There simply is no need, he's only stating his opinion on why porn is no biggee, keep it concise and clear. -- Banj e  b oi   05:54, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Nationality and male prostitution
What is this person's nationality, French? and what do folks think of the sources for this person being called a prostitute? TIA --Tom (talk) 05:37, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I removed the last one as a non reliable source. The other two are in french. Anyways, it seems that this should be reviewed closely for BLP compliance. --Tom (talk) 05:44, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * This citation was readded. This doesn't seem to be a RS. Anyways, --Tom (talk) 05:54, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not, it's an unreliable blog and someone could be impersonating Elias, remove it. -- Banj e  b oi   05:56, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The owner of the article doesn't seem willing to allow this article to be improved. Should the denials about steriods and fake lips be included when no mention of the accusations are included in the article? This seems unnecessary. --Tom (talk) 05:59, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I've added a quote from the LeMonde source, they are a paper of record so I think we are fine with the escorting claim. I've re-removed the other blog as unreliable. I think both the steroid and cosmetic surgery statements are ok as long as kept NPOV and concise; as a physique and print model these are common issues. Agree completely on the WP:Ownership concern. -- Banj e  b oi   06:08, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I've removed the entire bit about the escort claims. Despite being on lemonde.fr, the LeMonde webpagelinked to was not the well-known french publication but instead one of their anonymous blogs. Note the link at the top that allows anyone to create and post their own blog? Not a reliable source in this case. Shell  babelfish 08:44, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for catching that! -- Banj e  b oi   19:12, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Link Help
I was wondering if anyone has expertise on adding a link that has information but that I am unable to add as reference due to the website being clocked by Wikipedia. The link is (please note that it is broken; please add link to web assress bar and reconnect "associatecontent" and ".com" to retrieve page):

http://www.associatedcontent .com/article/407631/interview_singer_quentin_elias_from.html

Any help will be truly appreciated.--XLR8TION (talk) 06:30, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Pending changes
This article is one of a number (about 100) selected for the early stage of the trial of the Pending Changes system on the English language Wikipedia. All the articles listed at Pending changes/Queue  are being considered for level 1 pending changes protection.

The following request appears on that page:

Comments on the suitability of theis page for "Penfding changes" would be appreciated.

Please update the Queue page as appropriate.

Note that I am not involved in this project any much more than any other editor, just posting these notes since it is quite a big change, potentially

Regards, Rich Farmbrough, 23:38, 16 June 2010 (UTC).

Birth year
Hello. As seen, there seems to be kinda 'edit war' going on between people who claim Quentin Elias' birth year to be 1974 and people who claim it to be 1980. His own official website (quentinelias.com) says he is born in 1980. Please let's not edit birth date until we have found a solution.  Ilyushka ☃  Talk!Contribs 00:30, 16 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I have rejected the last change. Any further changes without valid concrete proof from a reputable source will be reported. The yera of birth should come from an article. The artist's website is not informative, nor can it be investigated on what is true and who is editing the site.--XLR8TION (talk) 00:43, 16 February 2011 (UTC)


 * WP:Citing_IMDb. IMDb cannot be used as a reliable source. Official biography may be trusted more in this situation. Also 8,490 results from Google for 'Quentin Elias May 10, 1974' - 11,400 for 'Quentin Elias May 10, 1980'. Of course it doesn't mean anything, but official bio is supported by more google hits.  Ilyushka ☃  Talk!Contribs 20:27, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I have added the correct yera of birth along with a reference. There are more than 100 sites that conform a 1974 year of birth when you Google the subject and 1974. This can't be disputed, and therefore has been re-added to the article. If a dispute does continue, article should put a disclaimer (same way it did with the place of birth) in order to allow reader to decide.--XLR8TION (talk) 22:37, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Then a disclaimer SHOULD be put. His website http://www.quentinelias.com/ insists its 1980. Plus in such cases, where the exactitude of the information is of grave concern, it would be preferable to relegate the info into a lower level, rather than prominently in the first sentence and I suggest that instead of the disputed year appearing in intro, it could appear in the section Early life instead with a mention of both probable years werldwayd (talk) 03:28, 14 September 2011 (UTC) werldwayd (talk) 16:17, 14 September 2011 (UTC)


 * The rights date is 10 may 1974, Quentin liked to make believe that it was younger, in this making fun nicely of the journalists. it was its with dimensions a little childish which made us much laugh in the family. boileaux L 4:45 26 march 2014 (UTC)

Some odd (questionable) assertions in article
Although the Quentin Elias article is comprehensive, there are some add assertions that don't have a place in my opinion in a Wikipedia article. Even though they are duly referenced with direct quotations from Quentin Elias, some specific very "personal" assertions still sound so suspicious and smell of a free publicity stunt. One such glaring example is what appears in "solo career" section as follows: "According to an interview with HX Magazine, Elias claims he had a dispute with superstar singer Diana Ross during song rehearsals in which he pulled on her hair during a recording session." What does this have to do with anything that he has done or produced. It's a gratuitous remark that it needs to be deleted. It is also so derogatory for both artists. Another oddly suspicious remark appears in "Personal life" section that says: "Elias allegedly claims that he is a good friend of Madonna, and claimed in a magazine interview that he has her number stored in his cell phone." So? Artists have other artists numbers by the hundreds. They meet each other and are "friends" (so-called). What does Quentin having a Madonna telephone number have to do with his artistic career or that of Madonna's. Have they done any song or shoot together? Does he imply that Madonna contacted him for some "favours" or he is a favourite on her "phone list"? Does she still keep the number or has she changed it and moved on? Was it at the whim of a moment and she moved on... or he came empty handed? Come on, such assertions (I have the phone number of this or that famous person" have no place in Wikipedia (even if references in an interview, which is unfortunately the case in both Diana Ross and Madonna issues) werldwayd (talk) 16:13, 14 September 2011 (UTC) werldwayd (talk) 16:43, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * He seems so confident in the interview he gave the magazines that it should be included. It came out of the mouth so it's news.--XLR8TION (talk) 17:53, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * So gratuitous pompous self-promotion is quite ok since it came in an interview right? We propagate myths based on what he said years back and they show on his Wikipedia page. Then he appears in a film, but oh, its a "small role" after all and its a "low budget film" anyhow. But Madonna's number in his cell phone, wow... its a majour fact that improves greatly our knowledge. Or some dubious and very questionable pulling of hair is suddenly part of his portfolio.... werldwayd (talk) 07:03, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The interview in which Quentin boasts that he has Madonna's phone number on his cell phone came in an interview he did on October 25, 2005... Since 7 full years have passed on this ominous claim, does Madonna still keep the "same" phone number famously saved on some peoples' phones or has she changed it many times over by now and moved on with her life away from past distractions? In other words, if Quentin presses the alleged "stored" number on his phone, it still automatically connects and they immediately go into a conversation mode as good old friends? Just curious of how relevant such a stupid information is after passage of so much time to remain an integral part of Quentin's bio for everyone to see.... and the more relevant question, does it still have any relevance in someone's Wikipedia bio page and isn't it high time that it is duly deleted as it should? werldwayd (talk) 19:38, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Edits on unconfirmed death of Quentin Elias removed (for now)
It is time to say "here we go again". A death story, based on this http://redalertlive.com/quentin-elias-interview-passing-news/. Then they start discussing it on a [message board] saying their source was Wikipedia!! There is no confirmation of Quentin Elias' death despite the RedAlertAlive article. But when Wikipedia continues to allow even unregistered editors in their first try on edit to report death news, this is what you get. Sorry for this, but when we allow unregistered editors to behave in such reckless manner, not waiting for more reliable sources, I guess such incidences become unavoidable until we detect them. The authors this time: 173.57.185.168 (two edits in five years), 76.168.7.37 (2 edits in seven years),  79.7.156.169 (started today and made 6 edits on the page). When and if the news is confirmed by more reliable sources, we will go ahead. werldwayd (talk) 08:58, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Since I continuously get reverted, I reiterate there is no official confirmation of his death till now. I just cannot understand what's the rush in circulating rumours as facts when no official statement has been made by family or a hospital or police sources. The death reportedly happened on 25 February, so by now there would have been some independent confirmation, but there is none. werldwayd (talk) 10:34, 27 February 2014 (UTC) werldwayd (talk) 10:44, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Our prayers for Quentin Elias, and his family if the sad news is confirmed. Here a beautiful rendition, his song "For You" werldwayd (talk) 11:50, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

There is still no official confirmation, but the news items are so overwhelming now, I don't want to revert again. Since everybody is impatient to come to a conclusion without a single press release from the family, or the hospital or the police, let it be. Everybody is quoting a Facebook entry they love to quote which barely says: "a statement will be made" without waiting for the statement to be actually made. This is so ludicrous. Or is Wikipedia turning into a "Breaking news" site a la CNN or like many television stations nowadays and we withdraw our statements when proven otherwise. I had inserted lengthy clarifying notes in intro about the rumours of his possible death, but yet these are deemed not enough apparently. We just want to claim somebody dead based on speculations and "statements to be made later" but not yet made. Clearly our checks regarding unreliable speculations is not working and many want to act before waiting for official announcements. werldwayd (talk) 16:02, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Date of death disputed and speculative [Now corrected to 25 February]
Now we are quoting 27 February 2014 as his actual date of death. There is no such confirmation that it happened on the 27th. In all probability, if the death did occur, it didn't happen today Thursday 27, but on Wednesday the 26th or even Tuesday 25th of February... There are clear discussions on message boards dated 26 February about the speculations which means he was dead on the 26th. So how come he passed away on the 27th as we claim now? Death may be announced today the 27th... that's all we can conclude. It doesn't mean he actually died on the 27th though. This is another example of the unconventional rushed (and to my mind wrong) approach some have taken on assuming a speculative date of death that will in all probability not hold water when the facts are known for sure. Yet another sign we are becoming "breaking news" site on inconclusive evidence. werldwayd (talk) 16:24, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The death date has now been confirmed as being 25 February 2014 in an official release. Just devastated by the news. RIP werldwayd (talk) 20:34, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Quentin Elias' date of birth conflict May 1974 / March 1980 - change without consent
We had cautiously added wording about conflicting birth years of 1974 and 1980 for Quentin Elias. Probably based on our earlier presentation, some media sources said he had died at age 33 (those who relied on our 1980 year) or 39-40 (for those who relied on our 1974 birth year source). Now suddenly with his reported but unconfirmed "death", this matter of varying years has been overlooked in our rush of edits and now only 1974 is being taken into consideration. What if 1980 is the correct year? Why do we delete greatly argued matters for so many years now without consulting and dictate one certain year of our preference/choice? werldwayd (talk) 16:24, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The official Facebook has now added a poster insisting on March 1980 as birth date. our date of 10 May 1974 is again for serious consideration and scrutiny. Here is the poster newly added on Facebook that clearly insists on March 1980 date: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=778500255493437&set=a.223040671039401.66677.179196168757185&type=1&theater To my mind, pending other proofs, what Quentin insisted and what his family says has precedence about our undocumented date of 1974. werldwayd (talk) 14:52, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Diana Ross incident
In the midst of our grief on a young artist who died so suddenly, his page has now this "piece of gem" added as proper part of his biography and career:
 * Diana Ross incident

Quote: "According to an interview with HX Magazine, Elias claims he had a dispute with superstar singer Diana Ross during song rehearsals in which he pulled on her hair during a recording session." Unquote

And we have this on the pretext this a is a well sourced story. I suggest this story is so irrelevant, it has no place in any artist's page in Wikipedia, let alone an artist who has just died. Wikipedia is not some tabloid journal to blow things out of proportion when it is so clear this so-called incident was done just to boast and denigrate another artist. Nor is Wikipedia a place to quote each and every triviality just on the pretext it was said. Artists make tens of interviews and hundreds of statements. Whatever happened, and apparently it happened some time in 2007, is of no relevance whatsoever for us in Wikipedia. Artists claim a lot of ludicrous things, some correct, some exaggerated and some all made up just to create some buzz when they made the statement. But now that he has died, this quotation no more has a place in an artist's profile. The two (Quentin and Diana) were never known to have cooperated on anything. It was just a charitable single, a cover of Sister Sledge's "We Are Family" and tens of artists sang. Nothing unique between Quentin and Diana Ross. Apparently some disagreement happened. No need to resurface such a statement after all these years just to create fuss when it was a charity thing. An aspiring artist like Quentin Elias talking in such terms about a "superstar", is entirely unwarranted on his page. Calling Diana Ross a "superstar" like the article editor has done is another term I object to. Deleting this sordid quote is the only decent thing to do.

The notes accompanying the revert by XLR8TION are totally unwarranted as well. He says: "DO not revert as you are reaching 3RR rule; you will be reported". Incidentally I had no way of knowing he did the edits, as it was done anonymously by a brand new editor 24.114.255.6 I just assumed a new editor was adding irrelevant stuff. Then I receive a note from XLR8TION, this time in his user name and then I discover it was not an anonymous editor. Yet XLR8TION, now in his proper user name, reveals his involvement and persists on my talk page: "They are not trivia and I find it offensive that you are trying to white wash an article I spent time polishing", although these were technically 24.114.255.6 edits I was reverting. In any case, a trivia is a trivia is a trivia. I am not so-called "white washing" the article. I am just ridding it of a lot of its idiosyncracies, like for example Quentin keeping Madonna's private number, another of his many ludicrous claims.

Role of Instinct in confirming death of Quentin Elias
A further matter that I objected to was our gratuitous promotion of one certain magazine. What we had in the death section was this:
 * Confirmation of death

Quote: "On 26 February 2014, miscellaneous media buzz on social media began circulating about the reported death of Elias from a massive heart failure. The news of his death was confirmed by mainstream gay magazine "Instinct" on February 26, 2014". Unquote

An ordinary reader will just assume Instinct was, through its own journalistic efforts, was a primary confirmer of Quentin's death preceeding others, a sort of a journalistic achievement they made. None of the sort. Tens of media outlets did exactly the same like Instinct. Please read the death section as it stands today. It is to say the least sloppy and more importantly very misleading to all readers. This statement of ours in the crude way we have it now is a lot of bull and holds no water. All media reported and confirmed the death after it was announced by management on his Facebook account. No particular piece of notable journalism by Instinct. They saw the management report and the other media reports and made an article to go along with it. With the way we are running the statement, we are just promoting Instinct for something they never did or took credit for. This incidentally replaces a far more significant and relevant note that I had added and now stays unfortunately deleted. I had added and deleted by an anonymous editor 24.114.255.6:

Quote "As speculation grew, Quentin Elias' management put a brief notice on his Facebook account confirming his death saying: "Tomorrow a statement will be made on the announcement of the passing of 'Quentin Elias' this is a very sad time for his family and fans around the world. Please be patient for the official press release as it will be posted here tomorrow. - MGMT". On 27 February 2014, another Facebook message said: "Quentin Elias passed away at his home in New York on February 25th, 2014. The family would like to thank everyone for supporting Quentin's career as he truly loved to perform for his loving fans." Elias was 39." Unquote

This was what I had suggested as confirmation of death. Clearly it is so obvious the management announcement was very crucial in the whole process as it stopped all speculations. In fact the announcement was so instrumental and a focal point, that we can say there was the pre-management announcement period of media reporting, and the post management announcement period of reporting. But even this is belittled by XLR8TION who says: "Next revert will be reported. YOU CAN'T LIST MANAGEMENT! That is a violation of Wikipedia guidelines. You have to utilize third party references." Conclusion - Official management confirmation does not matter, but Instinct quoting he died is now a definitive confirmation. Good for Instinct. What a great achievement for them... This sordid promotion of a magazine that did nothing of the sort is not merited to stay and the management's announcement should be duly given prominence and credited as being the "true confirmation" that dispelled all speculation about whether Quentin had died or not. I suggest my text is reinstated as better presentation of facts about crucial confirmation of death after so much confusion. werldwayd (talk) 06:41, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
 * In case my concerns are not addressed soon, I will have to revert the non-sensical info about Diana Ross and alleged puling of hair (doesn't make sense even if found in an interview with Quentin Elias 7 years ago) and great bias to Instinct magazine confirmation as if it played a crucial role in such confirmation of death which it didn't. I had sent notice to the editor colleague XLR8TION responsible for these questionable edits with my concerns and informed him about my long note on the talk page of the artist, but I had no response in person to me or here on the talk page. werldwayd (talk) 23:33, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Still finding no response I have now rephrased the matter of Instinct confirming death which is preposterous and questionable, now i have given prominence to management and family assertions about death which is more valid and relevant than a so-called role by Instinct in breaking the news as we had by earlier edits. Management's release was crucial in putting an end to all conflicting speculations about death. For Diana Ross thing, I will wait a few days and remove that questionable assertion of no relevance on his or Diana Ross' career as well. werldwayd (talk) 16:04, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Seeing no response whatsoever to my genuine concerns despite informing colleague XLR8TION about his edits and that I was addressing them on the talk page for wider discussion, and after waiting a reasonable time with no response whatsoever, I am removing the unfortunate reference in text of pulling of hair incident altogether as irrelevant. werldwayd (talk) 17:23, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Quentin ELIAS worked with Quincy JONES
Quentin elias met Quincy Jones at the time of a meal between friends. thereafter he worked with him. Qunincy proposed to him certain security as Serve it up and others. he was the producer of Quentin during the period of 2005 has approximately 2008. I have like information only one video of French issuing “20h10 Pétantes, forwarded by the journalist Stephan BERN, and its assistant Ariel WIZMAN” Quentin was invited with other personalities. He speaks there about his association with Qunicy JONES, and that this last produces it on the security Serve it up. the vidéo of émission is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEYtr2_oIzg Please Help me for search all information on magazine or news papers mentioning this collaboration. as on wiki the videos youtube its regarded as sources primary election, they are not valid, thank you has all those which will be able to help me for this party. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boileaux L (talk • contribs) 09:13, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually "Serve It Up" was recorded by sound engineer and producer Mike Wilson in Patchwerk Studios in Atlanta, Georgia. It was recorded in 2005 and released on 21 March 2006. Wilson had also worked as sound engineer for Missy Elliott and for Beyoncé. werldwayd (talk) 13:27, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
 * But Quentin Say in Video that the producer was Quincy Jones,I do not find an item or inteview other than this video which speaks about it.--Boileaux L (talk) 11:51, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Burial
We need information about the dateShe does not want to disclose the location. We must respect his choice.and place of burial of Quentin Elias in France. He died on February 25, 2014 i New York and memorial services were held in New York on March 4, 2014 after which his body was to be sent to France for burial according to the official facebook account. As we lack any information about the actual date or place of burial of Quentin in France, we appreciate any confirmation in this regard. werldwayd (talk) 14:12, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry Werldwayd, but the mother of Quentin dose not want communicate the location of burial...--Boileaux L (talk) 11:52, 23 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Actually we are not asking for any specific location (cemetary). Just a confirmation if Quentin was buried in United States or in France, that's all. Our article says memorial services were held in New York. This will give the impression as if he was actually buried in New York immediately after the service, although in all probability, this is incorrect and his body was moved to France for burial. werldwayd (talk) 13:11, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

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