Talk:Quicken/Archive 1

Creation of the article about Quicken
Created this page, culling some content from Intuit and inspired by the format of QuickBooks. There seems to be consensus at Talk:Intuit that some of Intuit's products are notable in of themselves, namely this one at the least. Article certainly can use further references, but have strived to make in neutral and avoid some of the debates over whether the article is considered advertising.Cander0000 (talk) 20:15, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Vast array of features....
I've removed this phrase as it's subjective - 'vast' in comparison with what ? CultureDrone (talk) 06:48, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Quicken Beam.
We may want to add a short section regarding the new Quicken Beam. 66.191.19.68 (talk) 17:12, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Quicken Online Redirect
Quicken Online should not redirect here. This article has nothing to do with quicken online —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.250.167.126 (talk • contribs)


 * Where do you think it should redirect to then? Surv1v4l1st (Talk 22:56, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Quicken Willmaker
Any thoughts on adding a very short reference to Quicken Willmaker? Surv1v4l1st (Talk 22:59, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Mint.com
It appears Intuit has bought Mint.com and it will be part of Quicken offerings. Might be something noteworthy. Surv1v4l1st (Talk 17:24, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Mac Version?
Does anyone have a screenshot of the Macintosh version to add? Thanks. Surv1v4l1st (Talk 23:29, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Written by angry Mac users?
The article seems to mention what it does and doesn't do on Mac to a ridiculous degree, instead of mentioning features, shortcomings, market share, different purchase levels, or competitors. Maybe someone can clean up the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.21.129.53 (talk) 21:51, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

History?
Some basic history would be helpful. This program has been around since the MS-DOS days; a basic timeline of its development over the years would be interesting.

—BMRR (talk) 18:50, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Totally agree. Some history, both the MS-DOS and Windows versions, would be valuable. Surv1v4l1st (Talk 17:25, 17 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for adding that DOS screenshot! —BMRR (talk) 19:01, 2 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Glad to help. :) Surv1v4l1st (Talk 23:28, 4 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Who developed the software, and when?Royalcourtier (talk) 20:40, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Quicken Billpay Service?
I'd like to know more about the Quicken Billpay Service. It seems to have recently switched financial providers and was wondering why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.123.199.246 (talk) 16:11, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Neutrality?
This is supposed to be an unbiased article, not a place to air grievances. The section on "sunsetting" is remarkably one sided. Quicken comes with three years of data service at no extra charge. Objectively, they don't offer the opportunity to purchase more service with older versions of the product after the three year period. They don't stop the product itself from working except to the extent that requires their servers to do so at their expense. Some users would prefer a redesign that allows importing data without any on line validation of the financial institution data. But that's more of an issue of describing how the product works, and if it comes down to people complaining about each feature they don't like and calling it a criticism, that goes away from the purpose of an encyclopedic entry. Since I don't see similar criticisms for other products that have data service for fixed periods (which are typically one year, not three years) such as anti-virus software, I can't see why Quicken is an exception.

I'd rather not remove the topic completely, even though it doesn't meet Wikipedia's guidelines, since there is room for an objective statement to be made on the topic. --Hagrinas (talk) 20:08, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Software -- for what kinds of computer?
I came here to find out what Quicken is. I found out it is personal finance software. The article leaves out the rather important detail of what kind of computer this software is supposed to run on. A visit to the Quicken site reveals that.... it isn't specified. However, given that there is a Mac version in beta development, perhaps we can assume that Quicken normally only runs on Windows? And that it doesn't run on Linux or anything else?

It would be useful to have that kind of basic information in the article instead of assuming that "computer software = Windows software".

Bathrobe (talk) 02:35, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The article now says "Different (and incompatible) versions of Quicken run on Windows and Macintosh systems." No Linux (other than through Wine or through running Windows in a VM), no *BSD, no Solaris, .... Guy Harris (talk) 10:54, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Criticism
The criticism section needs to be revisited as it was all written for versions prior to the current version (Quicken 2016) so it's unclear if any or all of it still pertains. One thing I know for sure - Bill Pay is supported in Mac Quicken 2016 so I removed the statement about Q2007 being the last version on the Mac to support Bill Pay. Donlibes (talk) 22:40, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

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 * Actually, you didn't add the archive link - all you did was add a space between "dead link" and "}}" - but I changed the link to use and to use your link with archive-link, as the link itself worked. Guy Harris (talk) 16:03, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

I fixed the rather strange misconceptions about the file format
The original, which I've rewritten, claimed that DOS and the Apple II supported a "database format" that wasn't possible on the Mac, which supported something else. This is... wrong, and it's not why the two versions were incompatible.

The reason they were incompatible was they were entirely different applications. Applications were occasionally ported between DOS and Apple II because many Apple II applications were text only and had simple text based UIs that would translate easily to DOS's. "Porting" often meant rewriting it but roughly in the same structure, applications were often written in raw assembler. I don't know what Quicken was written in.

When the Mac came around, almost no existing code could easily run on it. The user interface was completely different, and the way applications were supposed to interact with the operating system was also completely different. DOS programmers were used to writing code that wrote stuff to the screen when it wanted to, and waited for nothing but keypresses and the results of disk I/O operations. Conversely, writing stuff on the Mac meant writing code that listens for all kinds of "events", from mouse movements and clicks to notifications that part of a window needed redrawing. So applications were generally written from scratch. Microsoft, for example, wrote Excel from scratch rather than trying to get Multiplan to be a "native Mac application". Likewise Word.

The file system didn't have anything to do with it. The file system on both Macs and DOS was more or less similar in features and in its world view, which was that a file consisted of a long stream of octets (bytes) which could be read in order, or you could tell the OS to "seek" to the middle of a file and read some bytes from there. Basic, simple, and in no way comparable to a "database".

This is still the case today. Software engineers will sometimes integrate a library with their code to implement a database over the top of a file system (such as SQLLite) or, less commonly for desktop applications though commonly for web frameworks, require the user install a third party DBMS like MySQL or PostgreSQL. But the Apple II, DOS, and Mac came with nothing resembling a database management system built-in.

I hope that helps and clarifies things for the person who wrote the original.

Best wishes, 2601:584:300:B0A0:0:0:0:2 (talk) 23:51, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Mac version in Beta?
The article currently says the MacOS version is in Beta. The Mac version has been around for some time, but it is the Quicken Financial Life for Mac that is in Beta. 66.191.19.68 (talk) 17:27, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Not any more. The article now notes that the current version is QfM 2015, which is no longer in beta. Guy Harris (talk) 10:50, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
 * "The Mac version has been around for some time." For some time? Yes, I actually first started using it on my Mac IIsi in 1990 or so. Greg Salter (talk) 19:45, 13 May 2020 (UTC)