Talk:Quincy, Massachusetts

Pronounciation
But Quincy is always pronounced KWIN-ZEE (as in the middle name of John Q. Adams) except for some cases that are the result of errors. --Daniel C. Boyer 20:04, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * The good people of Quincy, Illinois, not to mention Quincy Jones, would beg to differ re: "error," but nonetheless, saying the Massachusetts pronounciation is "contrary to appearances" is POV. I've deleted that first bit; I'll leave it to someone else to restore the notation that the local Quincy pronounciation trips up newcomers and TV personalities, most of whom are used to the other pronounciation elsewhere. Wiki Wistah 01:49, 28 December 2006 (UTC)


 * It certainly does, but there are only about a thousand or ten place names around North America where the locals pronounce them differently from outsiders. You'd just think that TV reporters would be professional enough to ask a local how the name's pronounced instead of (as I saw on CNN, for instance) saying "LeoMINster" rather than the real local pronunciation of "LEHminster."  Ravenswing 07:54, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Why does the fact that Quincy is named after Colonel John Quincy mean it should be pronounced Kwin-zee? Presumably, Col. Quincy pronounced it that way too, but there's no reference to that in the article. Also the footnote citation for the pronunciation is a dead link. 03:19, 24 December 2007 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.99.75.2 (talk) 21:19, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I fixed the footnote. AJD (talk) 21:24, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Famous People
Could someone tell me who Christopher F. Hill and Kevin Glennon are? I've removed them until this can be cleared up:


 * Kevin Glennon, 1972
 * Christopher F. Hill, 1974 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.155.129.217 (talk) 05:30, 25 January 2005 (UTC)

Flag/Seal
The image used for the flag and the seal are the same. Rmpfu89 02:22, 24 January 2006 (UTC)


 * The flag is the seal — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.24.169.14 (talk) 20:43, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Links
The external links to www.scstest.com appear to be password protected. Has this always been the case? Also, I have always considered ci.quincy.ma.us to be Quincy's official site. Are there any objections to changing it in the article? JephSullivan 20:26, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


 * It is Quincy's official site. Change away.  Ravenswing 04:27, 30 March 2006 (UTC)


 * For some reason, I now cannot get ci.quincy.ma.us to work. My browser returns an error message.  Maybe before I stick my neck out and change it, I will wait until the problem (on my end or theirs) is resolved. JephSullivan 15:20, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

God's Country
Residents refer to the Hough's Neck section of Quincy as "God's Country." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.210.114.195 (talk) 18:21, 10 May 2006 (UTC)


 * no we don't! --jenlight 15:37, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


 * News to me too, I confess, and probably to the vast majority of Neckers. Ravenswing 21:12, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


 * ? what that is untrue did someone form aother stae say this — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.184.145.180 (talk) 21:32, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Adamses' birthplace or just hometown?
I notice that someone's replaced "birthplace" with "hometown" in the intro section where it mentions John Adams and John Quincy Adams. It's been my understanding that these two presidents were, indeed, Quincy natives. Bear in mind that what is today Quincy was once part of Braintree, and both presidents are listed as having been born in Braintree; so do we have a citation somewhere that these guys are from the "Braintree" part of old Braintree, not the "Quincy" part? Otherwise, it should be restored to "birthplace." Wiki Wistah 03:28, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * SMart person the idiot that made the page is dumb and tough quincy adam must be from quincy WRONG —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.184.145.180 (talk) 21:29, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay see this OLD brintree contind Briantree duh Quincy randolph halbrok Quincy may have the buildins But the certifates Our my town all ares nt those mrons n quincy GO RAINTREE  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.184.145.180 (talk) 21:33, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Instead of namecalling, why not a serious discussion of the meaning of "birth place" as it is used in Wiki? Is it the official name currently assigned to that piece of real estate, or is it the name of the place as it was officially, or commonly, known at the time of birth? 2602:304:CDA6:51B0:64E8:60AF:F493:759D (talk) 22:01, 14 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Well ... you're responding to a couple of anon IPs who posted eight years ago. That being said, here's where you want to go to open such a discussion.   Ravenswing   04:08, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

I am curious where how we can correct the historical inaccuracies of this Quincy page ?, both men were born in Braintree which later became Quincy, so citing the "birthplace" is historically inaccurate, Most people refer to Quincy as the "city of presidents" so of course the Adams legacy is heavily tied to Quincy, yet they were'nt born in Quincy they were born in Braintree. An example of this would be if someone was born in Czechoslovakia, you would'nt cite their birthplace as Czech Republic, right ? I think a reasonable edit would be "Although born Braintree which later became Quincy' " Fabickfo (talk) 20:46, 15 June 2020 (UTC)


 * The MOS, when discussing how this is handled in infoboxes and the like in the biographical articles themselves, indeed goes with de jure at the time of birth. (As it happens, both of the Adams' articles do just that.) But this isn't one of those cases; this is narrative discussion in the lead of a municipality's article, and general historical consensus cites "Quincy" as the birthplace ... never mind that the respective birthplaces are within the municipal limits of Quincy, and are not within the municipal limits of Braintree.  You obviously don't like that, but it is what it is.   Ravenswing      21:07, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

School strike?
Is the school strike really worth mentioning in its own heading? I mean, really, is this of great historical note? It's not even cited or referenced with news articles or anything. And shouldn't it be marked as a current event or something? I still say it's a passing thing and not worthy of noting in any encyclopedic article... -- User:Aepoutre 17:49 June 13 2007 (EST)


 * You're right. Removed. AJD 13:20, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Mayor William J. Phelan
Is it even worth mentioning the present mayor? Quincy has had and will have multiple mayors, and I don't see the need for an entire section for our current mayor. Aepoutre 13:58, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd say it's worth mentioning in terms of current affairs, but little more than that. The current entry's about right.    Ravenswing  16:43, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Perhaps a politcal history section could be added. I don't know enough to add one myself though.    Sasha Callahan   17:29, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Police union external link
User:JeffCooke4764 has made repeated edits attempting to put on an external link for the Quincy city patrolmen's union, which has been reverted by several editors. The editor is a new one, and save for a single other edit, this has been his sole Wikipedia activity. The union's website disclaims any official connection to the city, and is only one of a number of union locals around (heck, I live off of a street with two of them), most no doubt with websites of their own. Mr. Cooke claims the website has QPD history, but that is no doubt true of many unofficial websites, and the city's official website maintains a listing of civic events. Mr. Cooke's now made four reversions within 24 hours, and I've placed a 3RR warning on his talk page.  Ravenswing  16:02, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I listed him at WP:AN/3. Anyone think he works for Koch or is a Cop?   Sasha Callahan   17:30, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


 * It wouldn't surprise me -- what else would a SBA be doing with no other edits? -- but I think an AN/3 warning is premature; this is still a newcomer. Let's just alert him to 3RR and consensus and see where things go from there.    Ravenswing  18:52, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Cooke indeed stopped editing immediately after his 4th revert, so I've closed the AN3 report. 3RR blocks are for prevention of reverts, not punishment of the guilty, and no prevention seems necessary right now. Let us know if it happens again. - Krakatoa  Katie  17:05, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Quincy Quarries
How many Quarries were there in Quincy, and what were the dates of operation on each of them? Is there a map which shows where they were in the late mid-late 1800's? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.74.96.200 (talk) 22:39, 17 October 2007 (UTC)


 * In case anyone else is wondering about this, the main article on the topic is Quincy Quarries Reservation; apart from that, you could ask at the reference desk, spend some time at the library, and/or contact the Quincy Historical Society. --Fullobeans (talk) 12:48, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Dropkick Murphys
Are the Dropkick Murphys' ties to Quincy significant enough to warrant a mention here? How did they get their start in Wollaston, other than that a bunch of dudes from Wollaston really like the Dropkick Murphys? 03:19, 24 December 2007 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.99.75.2 (talk) 21:19, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


 * What I'd suspect -- however much 13 years late -- is that the reference comes from that the DMs earliest gigs were at the late, lamented Beachcomber, a dive club on the Wollaston Beach waterfront that had a lot of live music.   Ravenswing     21:15, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Notable Residents
I am starting a notable residents page. Any contributions would be appreciated.Dough007 (talk) 03:53, 17 February 2008 (UTC).


 * Belated response, but: Category:People from Quincy, Massachusetts might be a good jumping-off point. --Fullobeans (talk) 11:12, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Neighborhood article names
I just did a sweeping rename-a-thon of all the Quincy neighborhood articles (which I probably should have discussed here first, but I don't think it'll be too controversial). All of the articles in question are now in the "Name (Quincy, Massachusetts)" format. There's no standard policy for naming articles about neighborhoods, but Naming conventions (places) would appear to support the parenthetical method in this particular case. For instance: "Hough's Neck, Quincy, Massachusetts" is chock full of commas, plus it's rarely, if ever, written out that way in common usage; "Hough's Neck, Massachusetts" misleadingly implies that Hough's Neck is an independent town which other people (or at least postal workers) in Massachusetts have probably heard of; and "Hough's Neck" gives the reader no context as to what the article might be about (Art? Anatomy? Philosophical conundrum?) prior to their reading it. "Hough's Neck (Quincy, Massachusetts)," I think, nicely establishes that Hough's Neck is a feature of a locally recognizable city in a (inter)nationally recognizable state; it responds to the pipe trick; and it's nice and tidy. Yes? --Fullobeans (talk) 11:12, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I've definitely seen and heard people refer to "Wollaston, Massachusetts", but I'm perfectly fine with this and completely agree with the comma issue. Thanks for updating and standardizing it all, even if it was done so begrudgingly, haha. --Aepoutre (talk) 11:29, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


 * My (begrudging) pleasure! Wollaston residents are definitely fond of using "Wollaston, Massachusetts", and even Marina Bay now seems to be (pointedly) pushing "Marina Bay, Massachusetts"; I just figure 99.9% of the world's population couldn't care less (silly them), so we might as well minimize their confusion. --Fullobeans (talk) 11:52, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Population
Although only a minor issue, shouldn't be try to keep the population quoted consistent throughout the entire article? The 88K+ listed in the first paragraph of the article does not match the 91K+ that is listed in the statistics section.Let's get this fixed one way or the other. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.34.121.11 (talk) 07:06, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Neighborhoods
Extended explanation of my partial revert of this diff: Not "Adam's Shore", of course. I agree with reintroducing the red links with properly formatted link titles. Changing existing links that are to valid redirects is discouraged by WP:R2D but I think it's best in this case, since a newer editor might decide he prefers an old format better for his title. However, there are two distinct sections of the city, South Quincy and West Quincy. You do not read articles with lines like "... police arrested a South and West Quincy man for breaking into ..." or "South and West Quincy residents are protesting the billboard ..." in the Ledger or Sun, so there should be two separate articles when they are started. Finally, I don't understand what was meant by "fix number" in the edit summary, but the list does not have to exactly match the cited City web page which was not done for use in an encyclopedia. Sswonk (talk) 22:41, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Agreed. My mistake, friend. --74.177.198.110 (talk) 00:31, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Requested move 27 April 2015

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: No move. There's strong consensus against the proposed moves. The articles will be moved back to their status quo titles. Cúchullain t/ c 14:59, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

– I think that these titles for the Quincy neighborhoods are a better fit than the current ones. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 05:31, 6 May 2015 (UTC) Aidan721 (talk) 20:29, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Quincy, Massachusetts → Quincy, Massachusetts
 * Germantown (Quincy, Massachusetts) → Germantown, Massachusetts
 * Marina Bay (Quincy, Massachusetts) → Marina Bay, Massachusetts
 * Merrymount (Quincy, Massachusetts) → Merrymount, Massachusetts
 * Montclair (Quincy, Massachusetts) → Montclair, Massachusetts
 * North Quincy (Quincy, Massachusetts) → North Quincy, Massachusetts
 * Squantum (Quincy, Massachusetts) → Squantam, Massachusetts
 * West Quincy (Quincy, Massachusetts) → West Quincy, Massachusetts
 * Wollaston (Quincy, Massachusetts) → Wollaston, Massachusetts

Survey

 * Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with  or  , then sign your comment with  . Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.


 * Oppose if they are neighborhoods of Quincy, they are not entities of Massachusetts, but of Quincy. So instead xyz, Quincy, Massachusetts can be used. -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 09:57, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment surely neighborhoods are formatted Neighborhood, City or Neighborhood, City, State? Zarcadia (talk) 16:20, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose The new names misleadingly suggest these are current or former settlements in their own right. Not mere neighborhoods. Dimadick (talk) 06:20, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose: Lacking a MOS format for the same, no reason has been proffered (other than a personal preference) for the change, and that's hardly good enough to risk broken links.   Ravenswing   09:31, 15 May 2015 (UTC)


 * NOTE There is a message at the nominator's talk page user talk:Aidan721 about the user ignoring process and moving pages about while the discussion is open --  65.94.43.89 (talk) 04:17, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Yep, the note was from me. The discussion's certainly gone on long enough, but the consensus is plainly against a move, and ought to be respected.  I dropped a follow-up note asking Aidan721 to revert his changes before they were reverted for him.   Ravenswing   19:51, 24 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose While I don't love the format Neighborhood (Quincy, Massachusetts), I don't think Aidan's proposed titles are the way to go. I think such a format works for place names that represent a zip code or a village (e.g. Readville, Hyde Park, Cordaville, etc), but not for every little neighborhood of a town or city. One way to check this kind of entity is to see if a Google Maps search yields a polygon or not. Eric talk 20:03, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The suggested titles can give the wrong impression to the reader, that a neighborhood is a city by itself. Binksternet (talk) 21:02, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Any additional comments:


 * Another format that could be used is "neighborhood, Quincy" similar to the neighborhoods in Boston, such as Dorchester, Boston. --Aidan721 (talk) 20:52, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd oppose either. Neighborhood, Massachusetts implies that they are either independent towns or recognized CDAs, neither of which is necessarily the case. Neighborhood, Boston works because Boston is an internationally-recognized city, and indeed is the default article for "Boston," while "Quincy" leads to a disambiguation page.   Ravenswing   00:30, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
 * How about Neighborhood, Quincy, Massachusetts as the title? —Aidan721 (talk) 02:15, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not wedded to the parentheses, but if this is just a matter of eliminating them, why bother at all? It'd just risk broken links for no particular change.   Ravenswing   21:32, 28 April 2015 (UTC)


 * An example of a Massachusetts City using its villages/neighborhood pages as xyz, Massachusetts is notably Barnstable, Massachusetts and all other towns in Barnstable County, Massachusetts. –Aidan721 (talk) 03:56, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * But that's a county, and your example neighborhood is a town... Quincy is not a county, it is rather, in a county. -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 01:28, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I did not say that Quincy, Massachusetts is a county. I said that the villages located in the towns within Barnstable County, Massachusetts use that format. There is a difference between Barnstable, Massachusetts and Barnstable County, Massachusetts. –Aidan721 (talk) 16:54, 3 May 2015 (UTC)


 * NOTE the nominator of this move request has opened an identical move request for one of the elements of this requrest at a different location, see Talk:Squantum_(Quincy,_Massachusetts) -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 04:14, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

County Jurisdictions
It is my understanding that the Quincy area was incorporated into Suffolk county when that county was formed in 1643, and remained in Suffolk county until absorbed by the new Norfolk county in 1793. 2602:304:CDA6:51B0:64E8:60AF:F493:759D (talk) 21:46, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Demographic source
See: http://www.quincyma.gov/CityOfQuincy_Content/documents/Quincy%20Demographic%20Update%20May%202013.pdf - http://www.webcitation.org/6bOZmQEQz WhisperToMe (talk) 18:19, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Chinese names
For users wishing to translate content about Quincy into the Chinese language: WhisperToMe (talk) 23:46, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
 * http://www.southshoreelderservices.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Asian-Resources.pdf - http://www.webcitation.org/6bOIkJGyA - This source includes Chinese translations of names of places/organizations in Quincy

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