Talk:Quintín Quintana

An indentured servant, or even a peon…
…is not a slave, however attractive conflating them may be in wartime propaganda…or the “did you know” column, where truth is also often the first casualty. Qwirkle (talk) 14:27, 9 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Oh, yes, an indentured servant is a slave. The entire  Texas Revolution was about slavery and the white Southern USA immigrants who brought hundreds of their slaves with them.  The Mexican government pushed back, and Stephen F. Austin negotiated by trying to have the slaves reclassified as "indentured servants".  But they would be "indentured" and unpaid for life. It was the exact same institution - slavery.  — Maile  (talk) 18:35, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * As the subject’s personal history makes clear, this is not always the case, and was not here. The overwhelming bulk of indentured servants were just that. Qwirkle (talk)
 * Enslavement of Black people in Peru was outlawed in 1854. To make up the difference, the Peruvian planter class and mine owners began importing kidnapped Chinese men to work exactly the same jobs and conditions Black Peruvians had before 1854. The addition of contracts is window dressing, especially when anyone who got to the end of their contract usually entered a newer albeit shorter one. There were several violent rebellions by Chinese slaves before the War of the Pacific. See pages 449–40 and 456–57 of Tinsman 2018. Thus in effect what Maile said is correct: that the Chinese coolies were not slaves is hot air and is what the Peruvian planters wanted you to think. – ♠Vami _IV†♠  19:01, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * …or what Chileans want you to think, yes. That doesn’t change the fact that this particular fellow left indentured status, as did considerable others, and that there are gradations between indenture, peonage, and slavery. Qwirkle (talk) 19:22, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hey, @Qwirkle, there's a more-effective place to express these kinds of concerns at Main Page/Errors. —valereee (talk) 19:47, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It’d be nice if that were so, but it is not. Discussing anything but a blatant factual mistake has little effect there beyond the same coterie that put it up in the first place explaining at tiresome length why they put it up in the first place, followed by a rapid archiving. Like bad doctors, the main page talk buries its mistakes. Qwirkle (talk) 20:28, 9 August 2021 (UTC)


 * So he became an ex-slave, or ex-slave-with-caveat. Do you have a proposal? – ♠Vami _IV†♠  19:48, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * An honest hook might be “rose from a indentured servitude system that bordered, in effect, with peonage and slavery.” Qwirkle (talk) 20:28, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Chinese name
What would his correct Chinese name be? Liu Tang Sin Shin / Leotàn Sin-Shin suggests 劉唐单舜 (simp. 刘唐单舜, Liú tángdānshùn) or something like that, I can't find it in any Chinese source. Sheila1988 (talk) 18:18, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Even the folks at zh.wiki don't seem to know yet Kingoflettuce (talk) 18:35, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * We did a (brief) look for Chinese sources for his name, but unfortunately likewise couldn't find anything. Would be fantastic to have the characters for his name. – ♠Vami _IV†♠  18:40, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

POV
Unsurprisingly, the history of this time looks slightly different from the Chilean side to the Peruvian. This article does not appear to even acknowledge this, much less give a synopsis of each view. Qwirkle (talk) 04:23, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Multi stage migrant
I would upmeege to the three leg cats, but will hold off until the nomination is resolved.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:57, 18 June 2023 (UTC)