Talk:Quintin Hogg, Baron Hailsham of St Marylebone

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Hogg remarried in 1988 to Deirdre Margaret Shannon —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pannetone (talk • contribs) 07:24, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Autochthony writes - A citation is needed for the Tory Party not actually electing a leader, back in 1963. I suggest the excellent Private Eye article - 'The Taking of the Soundings', published at about the time of the elevation of Alec Douglas-Home in - I think - autumn 1963. The article begins something like - 'Unlike such new-fangled bodies as the College of Cardinals the Conservative Party does not elect a new leader. What it does do is difficult to say.' Autochthony wrote 2011 11 13 @ 2115 Z 109.154.0.195 (talk) 21:17, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

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Etonian who help destroy England
Nasty Tory, hated workers more than his country, result: destroyed the railways

A true Englishman would kill an Etonian88.144.40.188 (talk) 01:44, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

John Le Carré has a very entertaining story in his book of memoirs about how he watched Hailsham at a very stormy "town hall meeting" (as it would be called in the US) in London on Nov. 22, 1963. The meeting ended when a messenger-boy approached Hailsham on stage and whispered to him about the JFK assassination, something the nobleman would tell the crowd as soon as he had managed to absorb the news. 83.254.141.126 (talk) 17:45, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

His handwriting, even in casual notes, could have gone into a calligraphy exhibition. He would write Greek elegiacs in the office.Seadowns (talk) 00:44, 21 February 2019 (UTC)


 * He published a short book called "Values: Collapse and Cure" in 1994 in a facsimile of his own handwriting. As I recall he took particular exception to the modern expression "have sex", which he regarded as gramatically sloppy (it means literally "to be either male or female").Paulturtle (talk) 02:54, 29 April 2019 (UTC) His handwriting was basically that of somebody who had been writing Ancient Greek since he was a small boy.Paulturtle (talk) 02:50, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Hailsham. Archtype, 20th Century Tory and Old Etonian failure And Manager of the Decline of British Power and Influence.
This article is very much a start effort and a gross over simplification which is line with the current move to destroy the real story of British decline in the Twentieth Century. The real truth about, Baron Hailsham is partly obscured here but mainly ignored. His intellectual brilliance and ability sum up an issue and state core Tory and right wing philosophy in a few sentences or a minute was never matched and Churchill, MacMillan and others would have liked his 'quicksilver' ( unattributed quote) brilliance to be rewarded with Number 10 Downing St. However the fact was he was essentially a supporter of Chamberlain, that he saw the issues about Suez and the Falkland more clearly than anyone, but did not really favour action. He was the epitome of the leading Tory Old Etonians who was appalled by Thatcher as a Cabinet Minister and on her appointment as Leader of the Tory Party and PM. It is said that on Thatcher winning the Leadership, Hailsham, Carrington, Whitelaw, Gilmour spent a week in the tears, in their cups, balling their eyes out in their whisky and gin, like Admirals deprived of their last Battlecruiser or Guncruiser.Peter Carrington was a genuine anti communist and as Foreign secretary and defence minsiter in the Heath and Thatcher government made a very significant contribution in winning the Cold War, cleaning out the  GRU spies and illegals and their British collaborators and getting the RN missiles and submarine torpedoes, functional. Viscount Hailsham was in another way very significant as one of the first of the new right wing, puritan, priggish conservatives, almost anti sexual rather than gay. This is doubly so, in Haishams case as a former Barrister, Judge and Attorney general. In this case one rather suspects incapacity in his middle age, there is much about him rather similar to the career of Martin Goring.The razor whit. The rhetorical ferocity in support of the leader at the essential moment, always being prepared to take the can if necessary The fat second wife, of a theatrical bent, the love of the drinks party, 'I have friends over' sort. In this Lord Hailsham was very different from many possibly most former leading Tory politicians who were rather given to indulgence to affairs of flesh. Hailsham immediate exploitation of the Labour MP, George Wiggs were very bitter, planned and political outing of the MInister of War, John Profumo,as a libertine exploiter of courtesans, reflected Hailshams realisation of the issue as likely to give him a leadership chance and represented a major political turn. Profumo was somewhat more significant in person and the issues than perceived then and even now. a former distinguished Brigaider who played a major role in converting the British Army to an all volunteer planning and Nato logistics planning — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.48.175.44 (talk) 02:04, 25 September 2018 (UTC)


 * John Le Carré has a beautifully funny anecdote, in The Pigeon Tunnel, about a town-hall meeting in London he claims to have witnessed in late 1963. Hailsham, haughty, all Etonian and sure of himself, is debating in front of a crowd he fails to win over, many of them are plainly trying to boo him off stage. After some time, "a shakespearean messenger" sneaks up to Hailsham and whispers something; the two disappear offstage and the crowd exults, thinking they've succeeded. Finally the man returns, gets back on stage, waits till the folks have calmed down a bit and then delivers the deadpan stopper line:
 * "I have just been informed that President Kennedy has been assassinated. This meeting is OVER!" :D 188.150.64.57 (talk) 23:32, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Electioneering at 17?
Hogg participated in his first election campaign in the 1924 general election...
 * He would have been 17 at the time. It cannot have been a very significant participation. Valetude (talk) 18:08, 24 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Not necessarily. I haven't looked it up, but as an Eton sixth former with public speaking experience he may well have made a few speeches. Quite a few politicians of that era cut their teeth when they were of student age (OTOH John Simon, FE Smith, Randolph Churchill).Paulturtle (talk) 16:25, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

"Hitler Wants Hogg"?
What was the meaning of this slogan at the 1938 Oxford by-election? Valetude (talk) 18:10, 24 January 2020 (UTC)


 * His opponent was the anti-appeasement candidate, Lindsay (?sp).Paulturtle (talk) 16:23, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Future use
KJP1 (talk) 22:52, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * - very nice.

Logical Sequencing
I lack the skill even after all this time to move footnotes properly. So for the record, someone please consider the following.

In the "Background" section, it currently reads as of 20240213 as follows:

"Born in Bayswater, London, Hogg was the son of Douglas Hogg, 1st Viscount Hailsham, who was Lord Chancellor under Stanley Baldwin, and grandson of Quintin Hogg, a merchant, philanthropist and educational reformer, and an American mother.

Hogg was educated at Sunningdale School and then Eton College, where he was a King's Scholar and won the Newcastle Scholarship in 1925. He entered Christ Church, Oxford as a Scholar and he was President of the Oxford University Conservative Association and of the Oxford Union. He took Firsts in Honours Moderations in 1928 and in Literae Humaniores in 1930. He was elected to a Prize Fellowship in Law at All Souls College, Oxford, in 1931. He was called to the bar by Lincoln's Inn in 1932.

The middle name McGarel comes from Charles McGarel, who had large holdings of slaves, and who financially sponsored Quintin Hogg's grandfather, also called Quintin Hogg, who was McGarel's brother-in-law.

Hogg spoke in opposition to the motion "That this House will in no circumstances fight for its King and Country" in the 1933 King and Country debate at the Oxford Union.""

I submit that the third paragraph about McGarel logically belongs either within the existing first para, right after "American mother" or, still immediately after that but as the new second paragrap. The sequence would then be:

"Born in Bayswater, London, Hogg was the son of Douglas Hogg, 1st Viscount Hailsham, who was Lord Chancellor under Stanley Baldwin, and grandson of Quintin Hogg, a merchant, philanthropist and educational reformer, and an American mother. The middle name McGarel comes from Charles McGarel, who had large holdings of slaves, and who financially sponsored Quintin Hogg's grandfather, also called Quintin Hogg, who was McGarel's brother-in-law.

Hogg was educated at Sunningdale School and then Eton College, where he was a King's Scholar and won the Newcastle Scholarship in 1925. He entered Christ Church, Oxford as a Scholar and he was President of the Oxford University Conservative Association and of the Oxford Union. He took Firsts in Honours Moderations in 1928 and in Literae Humaniores in 1930. He was elected to a Prize Fellowship in Law at All Souls College, Oxford, in 1931. He was called to the bar by Lincoln's Inn in 1932.

Hogg spoke in opposition to the motion "That this House will in no circumstances fight for its King and Country" in the 1933 King and Country debate at the Oxford Union.""

That way we would have paragraph 1 (family background- I'm sure there's more of value it could say but at least in would all be together), paragraph 2 (education to the point of professional practice), then paragraph 3 (amusing and indicative anecdote from the previously described educational stage of his life). Random noter (talk) 23:08, 13 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Never mind- I looked more closely and realized it would not imperil the footnote sequence and I have managed to make the adjustment without messing them up. Random noter (talk) 23:20, 13 February 2024 (UTC)