Talk:Quinton Jackson/Archive 1

He's overweight
Come on. He's like 250 lbs. now. He did not weigh in at the acceptable weight last time, and they let him fight anyway because of money and PPV arrangements. He's no longer cut like he was, and gets fat, and crash diets and exercises before each fight. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.57.34.132 (talk) 01:09, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Height and Record (Vandalism)
What?! Is Rampage Jackson truly 4 ft 11 inches (1.50m)? Edit: Never mind, this article is completely vandalized. His height is completely off, and his win/loss record is 21-40? Someone please help revert these and make them accurate. This is typical before a main UFC event (UFC 114). Onixz100 (talk) 05:43, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Six one? Really? Is this a legit height or is it his pro-rasslin' height?  Mr  JM  23:15, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Abidi Fights
Where is his Abidi fights (non-MMA fights).

I think it should be added on the part where he fought sakuraba that he was dominating the fight with vicious slams for a good part of the fight. The Sakuraba got him in the rear naked choke and tapped him out. That is why he became so popular, because of the slams. The article doesn't mention that part of their first fight, and I think it is pivotal because it set fans up for wanting more.

quinton vs chuck liddell
rampage is the last person to beat the UFC light heavyweight champion Chuck "the iceman" liddell. he beat chuck in PRIDE. rampage is now in the UFC light heavyweight division and has had 1 fight against Marvin "the beastman" Eastman, Rampage was victorious and he was also victorious in his rematch against Chuck Liddell for the light heavy weight title.

Question
"He and his wife Yuki were separated in April 2006 after a blood test showed he fathered one of his children, Raja, with another woman" - This doesn't make sense at all. I checked the reference and it confirms this, but it still doesn't make sense. Why would they need a blood test to confrim another woman had his child? One would think it would be obvious to his wife that she isn't the biological mother if she DIDN'T HAVE THE KID. Does anyone actually understand this? Why would his wife leave him after discovering the obvious? Did he manage to trick her in to thinking she was actually pregnant for 9 months and had the kid, and simply forgot it all? --128.193.4.98 19:19, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It could make sense if Jackson was given custody of Raja after the blood test. hateless 20:12, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I deleted an entry by Hexrei because it was a malicious statement void of proof. I am disappointed that Wikipedia had not made the correction of the libelous entry themselves.
 * I'm not going to dig to find out who you are, unnamed wikier, but its not a malicious statement if its a SOURCED QUOTE. jerk. don't sling those kinds of accusations at me.Hexrei 05:58, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, I just went back to find the correction you made, and the "malicious statement" you attributed to me was in fact not made by me. Try checking history next time please.Hexrei 06:02, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Alright so I'm just going to fix this one myself.Hexrei 03:28, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


 * So I suck at wikipedia'ing but I hope my change clarified the situation just a little bit.Hexrei 03:30, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I've removed reference to his wife splitting up within the person section. The link has either expired or never existed, so we are unable to verify based on the reference. Additionally,  via various searches on La Times archives, http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/latimes/, no article exists that contains this information. Until someone can provide valid sources this should remain off of the wiki article.--Chadq 00:48, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't you think you're being extreme about this? Sourcing expired articles is not forbidden on WP, and we have discussion here with three people who have seen the source and vouch for its authenticity. If you want to see the text of the article, it's archived at two message boards, here and here. hateless 05:18, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * First of all I didn't write this portion, I just clarified it. The earlier excerpt was unclear and left a lot to speculation which doesn't make sense when we had a sourced reference. Second, as I mentioned, it was cited, so I don't see why it's a problem to include it. Does the simple fact that some might find it scandalous make it against WP, even if it is referenced?Hexrei 05:58, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The article is also currently still in the LA Times google cache.--Ty580 05:46, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Albinism
For anyone curious why Wikipedia shows a picture of Jackson with a white son, the son shows characteristics of albinism in the UFC:All Access footage. There don't appear to be any sources to attribute this too, though.--Ty580 05:20, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Curious Gossip
Firstly, regarding the previous posting regarding Jackson's child from another woman, other than his wife, this person seems to be asking a "birds & bees" question that does not deserve to be on Wikipedia. (Psssst....his wife thought the other woman had a child by another man. The blood test proved it was, in fact, Quinton's.) Secondly, why is the topic of this kind of gossip on here in the first place, meaning in the article initially posted by Wikipedia? It seems like an odd piece of information to be noted in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.60.65.42 (talk • contribs)
 * It's not gossip, it was found in an article in the LA Times and it appears Rampage volunteered the information himself (albeit I admit there's no proof of that). However marital status is commonly found in WP bios and I don't see anything wrong with noting it, nor a simple explanation for that status. I can however see removing the blood test info if there are WP:BLP issues.l hateless 18:32, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

The description "notoriously brash" is removed for lack of support. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.52.216.23 (talk) 23:53, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

New Image
Why is it getting deleted? User: Renny11
 * See Uploading images. hateless 10:27, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

link to kenneth williams wrong
check and change someone (i dont know how too) Matthew7785 20:42, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Rampage weight
He weighs 230 was confirmed in a Sirius radio interview. Think that should be listed as his weight rather than his fighting weight.
 * The weight fluctuates daily and it's going to drop as he ramps up training. We can't change the weight as he does. 205 has been certified by a government agency, for our purposes the most useful number to note, and it should be the weight we record. hateless 08:43, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Not sure I agree Hateless. I guess maybe clarification is needed, is the weight category there to list the fighter's recent weight class, the exact weight of their last weigh-in, or to list their actual day to day weight? I see problems with each possibility, not least that fighters often don't weight exactly their weight class even on the weight-in day, much less the day before or the day after. However, this discussion is obviously relevant to more than just Rampage, where is the proper place to discuss this? Hexrei 21:45, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Template talk:MMAstatsbox would be the place to discuss the template box but Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mixed martial arts would probably be better since it's more frequented. hateless 23:25, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Undisputed championship
It's technically not undisputed, since there are other orgs other than PRIDE and UFC that recognize a "World" light heavy champ, ie, WEC's Doug Marshall, or Cage Rage's Antonio Silva. We also can't say he's the ranked #1 fighter, Rua is on top of most lists. I'm leaning toward rewriting to say he unified the sport's top two most prestigious titles instead. hateless 23:45, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Or we could avoid choosing a term and just say he holds the PRIDE and UFC light heavyweight belts. Sancho 23:54, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * He did not win the PRIDE title though. The PRIDE title is nothing at this point.  Instead, the UFC belt is going to be used as the unified title.  Instead of undisputed I think it should say unified, because that is what it is. Thesaddestday 00:21, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Right, good point. That makes sense to call it the unified title. Sancho 00:25, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Jackson's comment on Sakuraba fight
Quinton Jackson claimed that PRIDE officials offered him more money if he lost to Sakuraba at PRIDE 15. This information was included in the PRIDE 15 article but was then removed without an explanation. Comments? Shawnc (talk) 16:48, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Jackson's MMA record with new management
(In reference to trainer betrayal)I think it would be fair to add that he has (so far) gone 6-0 in MMA with his new coach(es) and manager - Juanito Ibarra. --ShadowSlave 00:21, 14 June 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by ShadowSlave (talk • contribs) 23:44, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Jackson's loss to Forrest
Can we all 'agree to disagree' that it was a close fight? I'm going to repost a very balanced edition to the summary of the fight that is substantiated by a reference. Before removing it (without a reference), please have a discussion with me. InternetHero (talk) 19:28, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I rewrote it a bit to remove some small weasel words and such. Does it look OK? aktsu (talk) 19:56, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

User:24.118.252.212 keeps reverting to an older, unsourced, description of the fight. Can someone else please revert it? aktsu (talk) 22:04, 7 July 2008 (UTC)I'm not sure how to edit the quinton page but it says quinton used his signature power bomb which is wrong. Forrest almost had quinton in a triangle choke and quinton attempted to power bomb him but was stoped when Forrest grabbed his legs.

Uh, Jackson lost to Griffin, why does it say he won? Also why is there an outcome for a fight later in october? Someone is vandalising this entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.173.63.112 (talk) 16:53, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Victim Miscarries Following Crash With Rampage
The information placed in this article is inaccurate and out-dated. And the fact that the article is locked continues to propagate the perception that Jackson was responsible for the victim's miscarriage. It should be removed entirely from this article.

The incident has been reviewed by the Orange County District Attorney and the victim's physician. It was determined that "the evidence showed that the loss of the fetus was not related to the crash." Spontaneous miscarriage is most common in the first trimester.

Evidence supporting that the miscarriage was not the result of the car accident:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ys-mmaweekqj082508&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/mma/08/28/rampage.ufc91/index.html?eref=si_latest

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/jackson-charged-in-july-15-arrest-14186

http://www.fightticker.com/node/2287

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/anmviewer.asp?a=6978&print=yes

http://blogs.chron.com/fighting/2008/08/rampage_jackson_charged_with_f.html

http://www.dailypilot.com/articles/2008/08/27/topstory/dpt-jacksonfolo082708.txt

http://www.mmarated.com/blogs/blog/20080828/rampage_s_return__too_soon_-602.html

http://www.fightlinker.com/dead-fetus-isnt-rampages-fault.mma

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/jackson-police-one-2136161-pickup-truck

--Caspace3 (talk) 23:27, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Birth date in infobox is incorrect?
In the infobox in the article, it says the Quintin Jackson's birth date is July 5, 1978, but in the introduction, it says 20 June, 1978. I looked up on Google for matches regarding the 20 June birthday, but I only found one result for July 5, which is the Wikipedia article. Since there are more results for 20 June, 1978, would this be considered the right birth date? Schfifty Three  21:27, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I have also just found out that many of the websites I saw showing the birth date as June 20, 1978 are copied versions of the Quinton Jackson article from Wikipedia. Schfifty  Three  21:30, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Both Sherdog and PRIDE says June 20, so I say we go by that. -- aktsu (t / c) 03:58, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Miscarriage relevant information?
"Her name is Holly Griggs and she's 38 years old."

Is naming the victim really relevant? Especially considering that she has not pressed any charges? Transistorapparat995 (talk) 23:13, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

The miscarriage information should be removed from this article. Please read the section above detailing how it was not related to the crash. If it is not related to the crash, then it does not belong on Jackson's page. They are unrelated events. Furthermore, I agree it is no prudent to have the victim's name or information on this page. --Caspace3 (talk) 23:26, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Atlantic article and 'stealing'
I restored the reference to the December 2008 Atlantic article on Jackson and its suggestion that -- and I'm quoting from the piece -- "Jackson had gone off the deep end and fired his trainer, who had been caught stealing from him." Austinmayor (talk) 18:32, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

The article is stating "internet rumors". Internet rumors can't be used as documentation. If they can then according to internet rumors Jackson is a baby killer & we should add this to his profile. I just read an article about the supposed stealing and Jackson refused to confirm the rumors. In fact the article stated that Jackson never accused his old trainer of stealing from him. Neither party has, as of yet, stated why they went separate ways. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Qwertasdfgzx (talk • contribs) 18:53, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

An apostrophe is missing in the The Ultimate Fighter 7 section.

"Going into the semifinals only 2 of Jacksons original fighters made the cut while Forrest had 6 of his fighters advance. In the finale Team Griffin's pick, Amir Sadollah beat Team Rampage's top fighter C.B. Dollaway via armbar in the first round."

Change "Jacksons" to "Jackson's". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.225.171.33 (talk • contribs)
 * ✅ --Unpopular Opinion (talk) 07:45, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Sense of Humor?
I realize that the reference to Jackson's sense of humor is sourced with a published omment by Joe Rogan, but does this really belong in the article? Bluntly speaking, I've never heard Jackson say anything remotely funny. --Stuthehistoryguy (talk) 14:46, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

He gave most of those in Pride FC.

Too me when he says such great lines as "I let my wolf out" in a post-fight interview, Ill say this guy is hilarious (intentional or not) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.226.123.106 (talk) 03:46, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Rashad Evens
Rampage Jackson and UFC champion Rashad Sugar Evans had some words after Rampage Jackson and Keith Jardenes fight Rampage and Evans will have a chance to go at it in the octagon for the ufc champinship at UFC 98 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomasjones2457 (talk • contribs) 08:28, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

3rd Pride FC Middleweight Champion
I think this is incorrect

When Rampage beat Dan Henderson the Pride belt ended- there is no current Pride titleholder&Rampage has never been introducted as that champion anywhere, it is counted as a defense of his LHW belt.

The Title was Unified with UFC Light Heavyweight Championship --David.snipes (talk) 02:20, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


 * You are correct this should be fixed immediately. If you know how to fix it do it right away.--Qwertasdfgzx (talk) 21:37, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

nickname not supposed to be in the lede
It's also not supposed to be in the mmastats template thing either. There is a place specifically for including this information that should be used.66.190.29.150 (talk) 20:10, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Entire Speech Necessary?
I know that Rampage retired/quit the UFC (pretty sure it's the first), but is it really necessary to have his entire retirement speech? Just for the record, I'm glad he's gone. JY23 (talk) 01:47, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It needs to be cut down to the most pertinent points.--Phospheros (talk) 20:57, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Like to see paragraph removed
I'd like to see the following paragraph removed from the page but thought I'd post it on discussion first: "Rampage drew criticism for his actions in his second stint as an Ultimate Fighter coach. His actions included his constant verbal abuse of opposing team member Darrill Schoonover, his refusal to enter the ring to support his fighters after a loss and his general lack of coaching skills leading to shouting unhelpful or obvious instructions such as "Get up." These actions and Rampage's poor coaching skills potentially led to his team losing the first seven fights of the season."

This paragraph seems very opinionated to me. Who did he draw criticism from? Team Rashad? That is to be expected. Bluntly stating that Rampage lacks coaching skills is nothing more than someones personal opinion and not a fact. Every member of his team has stood by Rampage and his coaching for the entire season. If nobody disagrees then I will remove this paragraph from the article as it is unnecessary. --Xander756 (talk) 20:11, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd agree. It should be removed unless (possibly if) there are reliable 3rd party sources reporting on the criticism.--Cube lurker (talk) 20:19, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

I disagree. He's been slated by the media for said paragraph. It's relevant to his time on the show and thus should stay Paralympiakos (talk) 21:10, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Can you show us any of these media sources?--Cube lurker (talk) 21:14, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Too lazy to do so, but I'm sure someone else will. I'm also sure that you've not had your head under a rock for the last two months either. Surely you've heard many people slating the guy. Even Rashad did in some episodes. If you must, then add that he drew criticism from Rashad, rather than deleting it altogether. Paralympiakos (talk) 21:16, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * We have to remember per WP:BLP sourcing standards are high when adding negative info to articles about living people. We need to do better than I heard it somewhere.  What I'd suggest is remove it for now, and then when someone gets the ambition to source it per WP:RS we can add the info in.--Cube lurker (talk) 21:29, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

I've been a close follower of the show and the UFC in general and I have not heard any sort of criticism for his actions. I simply don't think an unbiased article should state as a matter of fact that Rampage is a bad coach when there is absolutely no evidence to support this other than the fact of Rashad insulting him by saying so. --Xander756 (talk) 00:53, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Quinton himself described his fighting style as "ass whooping"
Therefore I will add this to the infobox unless serious objections arise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.214.205.5 (talk) 16:29, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Not a style. Was a joke from Rampage. Paralympiakos (talk) 16:32, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Rampage
Hi, I moved nickname to after the birthdate as per Pseudonyms (Louis Bert Lindley Jr. (June 29, 1919 – December 8, 1983), better known by the stage name Slim Pickens ...)MOS:BIO. Subsequent uses of name should be "Jackson" rather than "Rampage" - "After the initial mention of any name, the person should be referred to by ..." WP:SURNAME Hutcher (talk) 02:50, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Endowment
I really don't think his penis size should have anything to do with this article. Some men are smaller than others, and you never know, he could be a "grower". Besides, it hasn't yet been proven that it really is him in the video.
 * You are hilarious. 1 2 (pinchet (talk) 16:43, 17 March 2010 (UTC))

"Jackass" TV show
Hello, i was one day watching an old Episode of MTV's "Jackass" when out of the blue i see Rampage training ryan dunn for an MMA match. I cant help with what episode it is in. But when i tried to look it up, a wikipedia article came up on the very TV series of "Jackass" and has him listed as a celebrity geust appearence. Dont you think this should be listed as a cameo on his Filmography, seeing as it has other things listed that dont compare to his appearance on this TV series? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.1.185.77 (talk) 01:13, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed the link and added a reference so at least this sidesteps the "original research" rule. We need to find a proper source for this, as well as which episode he appears in. Isuldor (talk) 16:17, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit Request
excessive vandalism


 * Please do not use the edit request template after you've filed for page protection. Bejinhan  Talk   06:38, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Joke PSA about Rape
I don't see anything about his latest attempt at humor: http://www.tmz.com/2013/01/25/tmz-live-kim-kardashian-kris-humphries-divorce-american-idol-racism-sean-stewart-adrienne-maloof-steve-jobs-ashton-kutcher-plastic-wives/

26 minutes into the latest TMZ show there's a discussion about a joke PSA that Jackson made. It's how-to on abducting and raping women with a twist.

This shows that the humor section (or at least an attempt humor section) is appropriate for the article.

Headbutt against Arona
I always thought Arona was knocked out by a headbutt and not by the slam itself. It that's so, it should even have been a NC. Yet I see no mention of it anywhere in this article.

Watch carefully, it slows down from several angles. Evidence 1.

It is mentioned in the Arona article that Arona also claimed this very thing. Evidence 2

Jackson also has a bleeding facial injury visible directly after the fight (3:37, same video) while cheering. Which would seem Evidence 3.

Lots of fans on forums seem to claim the same thing. Evidence 4

Shouldn't we mention this in the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pokerface (talk • contribs) 12:41, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Work Friendly image
Can we find a more work friendly image? Even if its just cropping the bottom off current one? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul "The Wall" (talk • contribs) 18:57, 10 June 2013 (UTC)