Talk:Quotation mark/Archive 3

Font & display problem
The font Wikipedia uses (Arial?) renders “, ” and " exactly the same in the 10 pts main text. This makes it impossible to see that Swedish and Finnish uses only right quotes, as opposed to English, so I've added a paragraph about these languages. --Salleman 12:09, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * To be precise, this is what happens on a Windows box. On a Mac (which has a much more complicated font rendering engine) the difference is subtle but noticeable even at 10p. Your comment remains valid, of course! Arbor 13:01, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Corrected transliteration
I took the liberty to change nijyuu kagikakko, which is an unpreferable transliteration, into nijū kagikakko (standard Hepburn transliteration). Nice article by the way. --129.187.214.85 16:32, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC) ("FAR" at de.wikipedia.org)

Finnish single angular quotation marks
The table giving quote signs for several languages states that, in Finnish, single angular quotation marks (›…›) are used inside double angular quotation marks. This is a practice I've never seen--I've only observed single quotation marks (’…’) there. Could anyone give a reference to a publication that has this practice? | hyark 08:53, 2005 May 23 (UTC)
 * I second this. I have never seen them in Finnish texts. 158.169.131.14 (talk) 12:16, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Spanish long quotes
When the quote spans for more than one paragraph, even when it's noted by raya sign (—), the second and following paragraphs start with a closing quote (comillas de cerrar: »). Should I add this to the table? (It's a little long for a footnote and my English is not so good... Maybe somebody will do it?). --84.42.165.49 22:07, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * That is curious. In English, the rule seems to be that only the closing paragraph gets a closing quote; all other paragraphs have only an open quote!  I'll add both notes.  Hopefully others will confirm these two unusual rules.  --Chinasaur 00:33, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Skal got it right. Thanks. --80.250.2.193 12:36, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

CJK quotes
The comments about Japanese using curly quotes was simply wrong, so I fixed it. I was under the impression that Chinese uses curly brackets (‘ ’, “ ”) for horizontal text, and corner brackets (「 」, 『 』) for vertical text, like Korean, but the article currently doesn't say so. Could a Korean or Chinese speaker confirm/deny/expand on this? —Tokek 23:38, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * The NHK style is to use curly quotes in the German style. But angle brackets are more common. I suspect NHK are conforming to older style rules. Zeimusu | (Talk page) 08:03, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

New table of quotes
I much prefer the old table rather than the new one because it was less cluttered.—Tokek 07:13, 27 July 2005 (UTC)


 * First note that there doesn't seem to be any single verifyable source for this information. It has been updated by readers with first-hand knowledge. I would like to have added a third column to differentiate "common practice" from "formal style", but I wouldn't know how to categorize the ambiguous "standard" for each language. Feedback on the idea would be appreciated.
 * Now, I was able to change the table when I came to the realization that differences in quotation style can depend more on region than they do on language. I had expanded it hoping that people who edit the page would not overwrite pervious work. For instance, I would think that Taiwan and Hong Kong could easily have different opinions about what is standard, so a Cantonese person would only edit his line. (See my version.) However, my changes were collapsed (to the then new one you link), so I don't know if the region expansion idea would have done any good. The regional information was then just useless clutter. Davilla 12:04, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Okay, the reference number links are now appearing. Clicking on it works, however they still don't correspond to each other visually. For example, clicking on 18 takes me to note #2. This is still confusing and needs a bit of fixing. Also, do we need a new column for this? Maybe?—Tokek 21:05, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Grave accent.
The character ` is a grave accent, even though it has been often abused as a open quote. I've made a few changes to reflect that, and straighed some quotes in what is supposed to be computer code.Zeimusu | (Talk page) 08:06, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * do you have any sources that the character ` was meant to be a letterless grave accent originally? and what exactly is the point of a letterless accent in the first place for that matter aren't accents supposed to be above letters Plugwash 14:43, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

I'd imagine it dates back to typewriters when you just wouldn't advance the printhead, so the ` and the a would be typed in the same spot, thus producing à (it's the same principle behind Unicode's combining diacritics, or the early method of bolding text on a computer, which was A[backspace]A, making A (as if a printhead typed twice on that spot)

Bulgarian quotes
Bulgarian quotes are only „“ but not ‚‘. There is an additional rule that adjacent closing double quotes are reduced to only one closing quote. Alternative quoting is «» but it is used very rarely. Both these quotes (double and angle) are without spacing. I prefer someone else to make these changes, but I'll do them if noone has time. —Ognyan Kulev 13:03, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Romanian
According to the Romanian Academy, 99 quotes are used both for start and ending of the quote („quote here”). It's not 99 for start and 66 for ending like the article says.

Quote endquote
Does anyone know how proper it is to when reading "nostalgia", for example, whether it is proper to say "quote, end quote, nostalgia," or if this should instead be read, "quote, nostalgia, end quote." It doesn't seem that this article makes any mention of end quotes whatsoever. Theshibboleth 03:39, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
 * The way I see it, saying quote, end quote, nostalgia makes the word seem as written ""nostalgia. It should be said quote, nostalgia, end quote, making the word seem as written "nostalgia". &mdash; J I P | Talk 13:01, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Found comments
The following commentary was included in the article in HTML comments. &#8227; &#5339;&#5505;  [ &#5200; ] 16:40, 19 September 2005 (UTC)


 * windows-1252 is a common character set for English, could discuss that further, but there are lots of other Windows character sets too.


 * yes there are but the entire windows-125x series http://www.unicode.org/Public/MAPPINGS/VENDORS/MICSFT/WINDOWS/ has curved quotes in the same places...

References: Jeremiah 27:1-11; 29:1-28, 30-32; 34:1-5; Ezekiel 27:1-36