Talk:R-Truth

Canada ban?
I read here that he's not allowed in Canada but there's no mention, could this be corroborated? Dictabeard (talk) 07:53, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Why would he not be allowed in Canada? Juggalo Dan 420 (talk) 03:47, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Definitive wrong, he was on wwe raw on monday august 23th in Alberto, Canada — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.135.11.84 (talk) 20:20, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Move to R-Truth
No-brainer. Arguing he's best-known as "Ron Killings" would be just silly. 2.124.196.36 (talk) 02:31, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Requested move 2011

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The result of the move request was: Not done per lack of consensus. Pretty clear Ron Killings should stay at Ron Killings, but re the others, please file individual move requests for the others as everyone seems to have different opinions on each. Thanks, fish &amp;karate 13:04, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

– All of these pro wrestlers are best known by these names.
 * Ron Killings → R-Truth
 * Naofumi Yamamoto → Yoshi Tatsu
 * Eddie Colón → Primo Colón
 * Rey Mysterio, Jr. → Rey Mysterio
 * Thaddeus Bullard → Titus O'Neill
 * Michael Hutter → Derrick Bateman
 * Tatsu, O'Neill, and Bateman did nothing of note before coming to WWE.
 * Primo may be a second-generation wrestler from a famous family, but outside of his Spanish-speaking homeland, he never was a mainstream level figure until he joined WWE. English-speaking people know him as Primo, not Eddie.
 * Rey Mysterio is one of WWE's biggest superstars, but when he was Rey Mysterio Jr. in WCW, he was nowhere near the main event. I know about his uncle sharing his ring name, but I have two arguments: First of all, Rey Misterio Sr. spelled his name differently. More importantly, Rey Jr. is much more famous than his uncle to most English speakers.th
 * I know that Ron Killings was successful in TNA with his own ring name, but to most people today, he's R-Truth. GeicoHen (talk) 03:22, 3 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Support. He is "R-Truth" according to Wrestle Heat, Ringside Report, Wrestling Inc., and Wrestle Zone. Yes, I have always wanted to use the phrase "according to Wrestle Heat". Wrestling RS is as bad as it sounds. "We come back to R-Truth going crazy at a merchandise stand in the arena." (Wrestle Heat, May 30th, 2011). "R Truth has begun to distinguish himself and had an impactful cameo at Extreme Rules." (Wrestling Inc., May 02, 2011) Kauffner (talk) 06:28, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I have to agree with WillC's position. Kauffner (talk) 00:14, 14 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Support . It's not Titus O'Neill though, it's O'Neil without the last L. http://www.wwe.com/superstars/wwenxt/titusoneil/ Same reason as Geico that their in-ring names are more popular than their real names. Starship.paint (talk) 09:20, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Considering Jtalledo's arguments I will agree on his stand to only Support the moves for Mysterio, O'Neil and Bateman, and Oppose the rest. Hey guys, it's O'Neil not O'Neill right? Starship.paint (talk) 06:13, 4 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose: I oppose to killings, indifferent on the rest. The reason for opposing Killings is he has had 3 big ring names he is known by. K-Kwik (think how it is spelled) in WWE, where he won the Hardcore Title twice. Then he main evented in TNA as Ron "The Truth" Killings, winning the NWA World Heavyweight Championship, NWA World Tag Team Championship, and the TNA World Tag Team Championship. He gained alot of popularity there, which adds to his WWE popularity. Now take his current name, R-Truth. Its nearly the same as his TNA name, it piggy-backs off Ron "The Truth" Killings. Now as for the reports above, he is currently going by R-Truth, so it would make sense that is why they are using that name. Not because that is what he is more known as, but that's his current ring name. If he were to leave WWE today, and do a show for lets say ROH as Ron Killings, the reports would have him listed as Ron Killings. I don't believe he is more known by any of them. They are too close to me. R-Truth is a piggy-back of his TNA gimmick and then K-Kwik conflicts with issues. His real name is Ron Killings and this is a bio, so I think it should just remain where it is.-- Will C  11:23, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose the first three, Support Mysterio, Bateman and O'Neill. The last two have done little outside of WWE, Mysterio's more well known without Jr. qualifier. The rest have done a substantial amount of work outside of WWE under various names. Indeed, they've spent most of their careers outside of WWE. And they'll certainly work under different names when they leave WWE. --Jtalledo (talk) 21:37, 3 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Support especially Rey Mysterio, almost 10 years of being known as only Rey Mysterio. --ChristianandJericho  (talk) 09:14, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I have requested name changes only for those that I support --ChristianandJericho (talk) 07:35, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
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Released
I read on wwe.com that him and the miz were released. Is that real?76.106.146.190 (talk) 20:13, 24 September 2011 (UTC)9/24/11
 * No. It is not real and he is still under contract to WWE, Inc. WWE has been using their news feed for storyline purposes for quite some time, actually. For more factual statements, follow WWE's Corporate news feed which does publish legitimate suspensions and releases publicly. ⒺⓋⒾⓁⒼⓄⒽⒶⓃ  ②  21:13, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I never knew about that site and was curious since wikipedia didn't have it up.76.106.146.190 (talk) 12:36, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Hat Rack Crack
I seem to remember him doing it as K-Kwik, and it's currently used as a regular move, the Truth Conviction. Link to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGTlhGAGUkc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.186.18.226 (talk) 14:26, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

"Face Turn"
Aside from referencing WP:BALL, face turn? Choking and punching a guy after slamming him into ring steps while muttering to yourself is a face turn? At least wait until he does something more solid. Can we leave the header alone until there is something more substantial to put in a new section? Desirsar (talk) 16:28, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Seriously, if you're not Vince, you don't know whether this is a face turn. If you can come up with an appropriate reference now, go for it.  All I found was speculation, everything being added to the article so far goes against WP:BALL and WP:NOR.  Desirsar (talk) 06:25, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Finisher
Wouldn't hitting an opponent with a container of water be considered one of his finishers? After all, Kane's clawhold is considered his finisher, although it hasn't been used by him in the ring. Thanks.209.213.145.157 (talk) 03:00, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Jumping corkscrew elbow
The jumping corkscrew elbow is his new signature move. Thanks.209.213.145.236 (talk) 00:25, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Corkscrew scissors kick - retired?
Does Truth really still use his corkscrew scissors kick? I haven't seen him use it recently. Please answer back. Thanks.209.213.155.16 (talk) 16:44, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Missing signature maneuvers
This page is missing the slap, with theatrics (he'll do it after breakdancing with a pelvic thrust), the leg drop, with theatrics, and the jumping corkscrew elbow smash. Also, he does not use the corkscrew forearm smash, the corkscrew scissors kick, or the hurricanrana, no matter how awesome they are. Thanks.209.213.145.236 (talk) 16:15, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

For Little Jimmy / unused theme music
It's not really his theme music if he never uses it. Neither reference even established as a theme song, it appears to simply be a music video he happened to do. Desirsar (talk) 11:49, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Requested move April 2013

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. — ΛΧΣ  21  06:50, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Ron Killings → R-Truth – He has used this name for nearly five years now. As "K-Kwik" he never had much success, while he didn't have nearly as much exposure in TNA. I think this page should be moved. Relisted. BDD (talk) 05:46, 4 May 2013 (UTC) GeicoHen (talk) 20:58, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Support - R-Truth has become the common name for Killings.-- Dcheagle   • talk • contribs 01:12, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose While he has wrestled as R-Truth in recent years, he has been billed by several names over the course of his career. Ron Killings is his actual name and was the name in which he achieved the most success.-LM2000 (talk) 21:14, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose I'm not too familiar with the subject, but I find LM2000's argument convincing. Mick Foley seems to set a precedent for wrestlers who perform under multiple stage names. In the absence of a specific naming convention on the subject, I wouldn't favor "R-Truth" unless a majority of his work was under that name—and maybe it is. I don't know. --BDD (talk) 18:40, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
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Requested move September 2013

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The result of the proposal was not moved. --BDD (talk) 23:36, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Ron Killings → R-Truth – Ron Killings has had far more exposure under the name R-Truth than he ever has as "Ron Killings." He may have won a world title in TNA, but WWE is far more popular and this name has reached a much wider audience. GeicoHen (talk) 03:29, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment We just had this move discussion a little over four months ago and the result was not moved.LM2000 (talk) 20:04, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose While he has wrestled as R-Truth in recent years, he has been billed by several names over the course of his career. Ron Killings is his actual name and was the name in which he achieved the most success.LM2000 (talk) 21:51, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose per the other succesful names. "R-Truth" itself is a "hip" derivation of Ron "The Truth" Killings. If we're going strictly by WWE popularity, there's still K-Kwik. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:35, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment K-Kwik hasn't really done anything notable under that name. --GeicoHen (talk) 05:00, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * No, not really. But he did reach a wide audience, at a time when RAW's Neilsen ratings hung around 6 instead of 3. Definitely not enough to justify moving the article to "K-Kwik", just worth considering when deciding whether Killings has a common name. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:14, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
 * But K-Kwik was mostly on shows like Jakked and Metal. R-Truth is a mainstay to top level WWE programming like RAW and SmackDown. --GeicoHen (talk) 02:07, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * K-Kwik had his share of RAWs, too, and a tag title match at Armageddon. But no, I'm not saying that name is a better candidate than "R-Truth". Just that, if "WWE is far more popular" counts for R-Truth, it must also count for K-Kwik. I have it something like 40-36-20-4 (Killings, Truth, Kwik, Krush). No majority. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:59, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm more concerned about Ron "The Truth" Killings than I am K-Kwik. He was the first african american NWA world champion and won quite a few NWA and TNA titles under that name.  But when you throw K-Kwik (and K-Krush to a less extent) into the mix and it just makes Killings' common name that much harder to determine.LM2000 (talk) 10:15, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
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Requested move 2015

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The result of the move request was: not moved. No support for the proposal. Number  5  7  14:38, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Ron Killings → R-Truth – Ron Killings has had far more exposure under the name R-Truth than he ever has as "Ron Killings." He spent 8 years in WWE, a worldwide promotion as mid carter, champion (US, Tag Team), even some Main Event pushes. As Killings, he spent 6 years in TNA, by far the second promotion in USA. Killings recieved much more exposition as R-Truth for more years. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 21:14, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose for the same reason as previous RMs. He wrestled as K-Kwik during the Attitude Era wrestling boom and went on to have the most success in TNA (being the first African American NWA champ, a title he won twice) under his real name.LM2000 (talk) 21:25, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
 * C'Mon. In the Attitude Era, he was K-Kwik for one year as low carter and only won the Hardcore title. He won the NWA title when TNA was an indy with Weekly PPVs. No comparation against years in the most important company in the world. it's just like Adam Birch/Joey Mercury. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 21:39, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
 * As Killings, he was from 2002 to 2007 in TNA. From 2002-2004, TNA was an indy without TV program. From 2004 to 2007, he appeared at Impact, with the following average ratings: 2004 0.2, 2005 0.3, 2005-2006 0.7 and 2007 1.0 Since 2008, he appears in WWE, a worldwide promotion. RAW usually get numbers near 3.0. SmackDown get numbers near 2.0. 8 years, twice per week, Killings was seen by more people (X2, X3) than his best year in TNA. It's pretty clear it's the common name. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 21:59, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't think that there is a standout common name. Truth has had a bunch of names and had varied success with all of them... it's not like Viscera who had the most success as Mabel at a time when few were watching, had varied success for many years as Viscera during the AE boom, and then wrestled as BDV on ECW for a few years.  Kwik wrestled in the tag division at a time when WWE was at its peak, Killings got a main event push (which lasted into the Spike TV era) in TNA, Truth has been all over the card during his recent WWE run.  Hulk did a breakdown in the last RM "40-36-20-4 (Killings, Truth, Kwik, Krush)"... for me Viscera would be something like 50-30-20 Viscera-Mabel-BDV, which is why I supported that move, while my Killing's breakdown would look closer to Hulk's.  The fact that Ron Killings is this subject's real name makes this an easier decision as in the past whenever we had a wrestler with multiple names and no distinct common name we would just go with that, the fact that he also had the greatest amount of success under his real name seals that for me.LM2000 (talk) 22:18, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
 * 'Oppose - he's used multiple names, so unless he has legally changed his name to "R-Truth" I don't see any reason to move it. Wikimandia (talk) 13:54, 8 February 2015 (UTC)


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Lie Detector (leaping reverse STO)??
R-Truth vs. Luke Harper: WWE Superstars, April 3, 2015, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en1qXgxJvKc and R-Truth vs. Curtis Axel: WWE Superstars, April 10, 2015, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_JIQ3YZrTo

Both of these matches refer the lie detector as the leaping reverse STO, so i'm assuming its no longer called what's up? or little jimmy anymore. wondering if anyone could look into this.

Semi-protected edit request on 20 January 2016
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Personal life
According to this source, Killings has four kids as of 2011. THE NEW  Immortal  Wizard  (chat) 21:53, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Yes, a total of 5.

Why can't this be edited already? Sdbocaj (talk) 00:52, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

K. Malik Shabazz listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect K. Malik Shabazz. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 18:29, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 11 June 2019

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The result of the move request was: Moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Danski454 (talk) 14:07, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Ron Killings → R-Truth – This is going to be his clear WP:COMMONNAME. Has been wrestling for the biggest company in the world for over a decade under the R-Truth name. His appearances under other names were seen either by much smaller audiences or his role was much more minor compared to his recent years in WWE. It was argued before that he won the NWA Championship under the Killings name, however at the time the NWA was a shell of its former self. WP:NAMECHANGES also applies here, no recent coverage calls him Ron Killings. StaticVapor message me!   01:03, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Support By far his common name. Pre  fall  08:39, 11 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Support As per WP:COMMONNAME. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:20, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Support That's the double truth... Ruth! But, seriously, though. No one refers to him as Ron Killings in WWE anyway!82.38.203.41 (talk) 12:06, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - Even though his song has "Suntan Superman Ron Killings"...the fact that no one refers to him as Ron Killings is more than just a double truth. It's the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Hansen Sebastian's 2nd account (Leave me a message here) 14:20, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Support - It clearly is his WP:COMMONNAME -  Galatz גאליץ שיחה Talk  14:56, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Support - Though he used to wrestle as K-Kwik back then, he's still better known as the R-Truth we know today. The only instance he's referred to "Ron Killings", however, is in his theme song ("Suntan Superman Ron Killings")...but we still know him as R-Truth until today. Hansen Sebastian's 2nd account (Leave me a message here) 14:18, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Support - Back to my usual account here. And I'm fully supportive of the page move.  Hansen Sebastian Talk 10:10, 17 June 2019 (UTC)


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Rapper/Actor not defining of his career
R-Truth is a full time professional wrestler who has appeared in (apparently) 4 films, one as a character for WWE Studios and the other three as himself. He is not an actor, he is a wrestler who has had an acting role. Moreover he is not a rapper just because he has released music digitally on spotify (with virtually no sales to add). Petty titles like this go into a subsection. Not even Shaquille O'Neal, a platinum selling artist who has STARRED in several films as named characters is defined as being a rapper. It simply does not define his fame ChicagoWikiEditor (talk) 02:10, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Truth has dedicated a significant amount of his life towards being a rapper, hell for most of his WWE run, he rapped a song he made to the ring. The fact that he released multiple albums as an artist is good enough for that to be listed as an occupation. As for acting, four roles seems to be more than enough. This isn't someone that only had one minor role in a WWE studios film, he had acting roles before and during WWE. StaticVapor message me!   23:29, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2020
2001:E68:442C:F87A:8CA0:77CC:CAC0:BF45 (talk) 02:02, 17 January 2020 (UTC) R-Truth's height is 6'1 not 6'2.
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Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2023
Correct 'Judgment Day' to 'Judgement Day' under 'Return from injury (2023–present)' Mkuroly (talk) 21:43, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: All sources use "Judgment" spelling.  Delta  space 42 (talk • contribs) 21:48, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Number of 24/7 titles?
The article text says he's held the 24/7 title a record 53 times, the Championship listing says 54. The 24/7 article says 53 with an unrecognised 54th.

Can this article be edited to reflect either 53 or 54? I'm not putting a protected edit request in, as I'm not sure what the consensus is on how the title nummbers is counted. 2A00:23C6:761C:AF01:994D:7071:D0E1:DD8F (talk) 17:12, 20 December 2023 (UTC)