Talk:RFK Racing/Archive 1

High Importance?
I disagree with this. This should be Top importance. Rousch Racing has won 2 championships and has ruled the sport for the last 10 years. Casey14 00:33, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Jacques Villeneuve
I'm not sure I agree with putting Jacques Villeneuve into the Roush Racing box as of 1 December 2006. There is no confirmed information that he will be in Roush equipment, or that he'll even be in NASCAR at all, and Jayski doesn't count as confirmed information. Blueracer6 07:35, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Featured Article
I think we've got a potential featured article on our hands here. How can we get it to that status? -- D -Day 23:07, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
 * In-text citations and some more free-license images would be helpful. Also, there is little information besides team histories. Some more discussion of current sponsorship deals and contracts would be good. Also, there could be discussion of partnerships with Wood Brothers, Rober Yates, and other teams. --TantalumT e lluride 23:19, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I just added free-use images. Everything else sounds plausible, but I'd like you to elaborate a little more about the current sponsorship deals/contracts. -- D -Day 23:32, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't have anything specific in mind; I just thought there should be more about current contracts with drivers, crew chiefs, sponsors, etc. After another glance, I see that some of that is already covered. Anyhow, I'm willing to work on the article to help prepare it for a peer review. I'm planning on doing some work to the main namespace after I finish my chemistry test tomorrow. This will be a good article to start with, since I'm a fan of Mark Martin. --TantalumT e lluride 23:39, 14 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Featured articles tend to have a wider scope than this and generally be more interesting to the average reader. While this is one of the highest quality NASCAR-related articles, it generally lacks the wide appeal they look for in featured articles. -Drdisque 00:15, 15 February 2006 (UTC)


 * In my opinion, the topic of this article is definitely broad enough for featured status. Roush Racing is currently the largest team in NEXTEL Cup competition, fielding more cars than any other NASCAR team, not to mention its participation in the other national NASCAR series. It's also one of the most successful teams in recent history, having won two of the last three Cup championships and landing all five drivers in last year's Chase for the Cup. Thanks for the info, though; I wasn't aware that the scope of an article could affect its featured-article candidacy. --TantalumT e lluride 01:41, 15 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Another possible subtopic for the article is Roush Racing's reaction to the "four car per team" limit. --TantalumT e lluride 01:49, 15 February 2006 (UTC)


 * One more thing, the featured article people are REALLY nitpicky about citing facts and making sure absolutely no opinions are present in the article. This isn't something we tend to do in the motorsports realm. As per the issue of scope, the example that is most often cited and caused much consternation in that community was whether Pikachu had a wide enough scope. After vigilant support and editting to the utmost standards by its editors, it was finally accepted and was a featured article a few months ago. Its an example of how much effort a "fringe" article such as ours has to go through for featured article status. -Drdisque 04:05, 15 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I think some significant copy editing of the article is needed to reach featured article status. Also, I agree that the article needs more sections besides the team histories. Airline 00:50, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I question making this a featured article for one reason: its incompleteness. Roush Racing didn't get its start in the late 1980s as a Winston Cup team. It started much earlier in the decade in road racing (SCCA Trans Am and the old International Motorsports Association) and only moved into NASCAR after a great deal of success in those two series, along with a nasty breakup of the original Roush-Protofab business partnership. Until proper additions are made to give a full history of Roush Racing, this article should not be considered as a featured article. Surfbum, 04:12 UTC

If you're starting to think about going for GA/FA status, the first thing you'll need to do is get sources for pretty much everything that isn't made blindingly obvious from the rest of the article. Considering I counted only 5 inline cites for the whole thing, it would take a lot of work to do that. For example the sentence, "Founded in 1988, the program is built around having five cars." (which I would question the correctness of anyway) would need a source saying that, because it's kind of a big claim. "The multi-team aspect of the company allows for information and resources to be shared across the enterprise, improving the performance of all of the teams," would also need a source, because it sounds like it could be original research (even though it's not). Basically you need to go through the entire article like that and get sources for everything or -- and this will be easier in most cases -- reword the sentence so that it isn't making such a big claim. I also have a problem with dividing up the histories by car number instead of just having one big history of the organization but that could just be me. Recury 18:48, 5 February 2007 (UTC)


 * As far as the car histories are concerned, I find it more convenient than clumping them all together. It helps if you're looking for a specific thinking. Plus, they're more readable than "And then the 24 car finished 13th with 2 top-fives...and then the 09 car fired Orbandslsl and replaced him with rookie Arnold Schwarzenengger...etc." Plus, I'm an organizational freak, so that format puts me at ease.


 * I requested that the article be peer reviewed. You can read the review, here. --D-Day 23:11, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

This is one of the weakest articles I've read. There's no reference section and very few inline citations. There's no talk about Roush's sports car racing efforts. I'm demoting this article to "start class".

There is a problem here
It is Roush Fenway Racing, not "Roush-Fenway Racing" The article should either be copied over Roush Fenway Racing or moved. -- Oni Ookami Alfador Talk 04:48, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

At this time I have put it on Requested Moves, so it should be there soon.-- Oni Ookami Alfador Talk 04:57, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Page moved, per request. Cheers. -GTBacchus(talk) 21:36, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

"Road racing"?
Read this on Jayski: "In addition to the 234 [NASCAR] wins, Roush has also collected 116 road racing victories bringing Roush Fenway Racing's win column total to 350.(Roush Fenway PR)(4-9-2007)" Anyone know anything about their involvement in that? I don't even know what other series they are in. Recury 18:59, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

They were in Trans Am in the 80's (Ford Mustang "factory" team). I also believe they were involved with a Deutsche Rennsport Meisterschaft team, although I don't think any Roush cars were actually entered in that series. -Drdisque 21:43, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Interesting, would be a good addition to the article if you know of any sources. Recury 00:52, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, for pete's sake. After years in NHRA and IHRA drag racing, including two championships, Roush came to IMSA (GTX and GTP classes) in 1982, and to IMSA Trans-Am in 1984.  from  : "Roush Racing won a combined 24 road race championships in those two series from ‘84-‘97, including 12 manufacturer’s crowns and capturing the sedan class of the 24 Hours of Daytona a remarkable 10 straight years. Overall, Roush Racing has registered 116 road-racing victories."  That was the first link I looked at, from the bottom of the first page of a Google search.  There are probably more authoritative sources if you look around a little, but this is a tolerably attributable source that would make a decent starting point for the basic facts.  Autoweek issues from the 80s and 90s will have dozens of references for the championships.  (One thing I hate about NASCAR in the last decade is the proliferation of "TV fans" with no sense of the sport's modern history, let alone its century-old roots or its post-WWII developments.)  Barno 03:39, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the good ole days when everyone knew everything about everything. Anyway, a blog isn't good enough for anything, but thanks for sort of looking. Recury 13:45, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Recury, sorry if I ticked you off more than you've exasperated me. None of us are knowledgable about 1.7 million article topics so we all have to investigate things we don't know.  You started with something you saw on Jayski (well-known to carry more incorrect rumors than a typical race-fan blog) and didn't attempt even a cursory search for something that, if at all true, should (and does  ) generate tens of thousands of G-hits.  Don't be completely deterred by the fact that the "IMSA History" page to which I pointed is hosted on a blog website; there are thousands of words in the two parts of that article, with hundreds of detailed facts.  Those provide many many terms on which you could narrow a search and find more-attributable sources for specific details.  I also pointed you to Autoweek where I read coverage of many dozens of those events shortly after they occurred.  What more do you need?  Anyway, a dismissal-without-research isn't good enough for anything, but thanks for sort of participating.  Barno 23:15, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * A bit more detail on-topic: SCCA was traditionally for amateur racers, and IMSA was created for racers of GT cars such as SCCA's Trans-Am class to get professional promotion similar to NASCAR's oval racing.  IMSA's Camel GT series had several divisions: GTP was prototypes, GTO and GTU (over and under a certain engine displacement) were stock-based, and when the GTX class existed it was loosely stock-based but allowed more radical modifications than GTO such as a purpose-built chassis.  GTS was a later class; I'm not sure of the rules but I think it was, like the earlier GTX, a less-restricted version of GTO.  Roush Racing campaigned Ford Mustangs, Ford-of-Germany Merkurs (sold under the Mercury badge in the US), Mercury Capris, and Mercury Cougars in the non-prototype divisions, and ran prototypes which had the Mustang and Probe (and briefly Maxxum) nameplates but weren't even superficially similar to those street models.  They took plenty of victories at Daytona, Sebring, and the more-routine races; some years they were more dominant than Mark Martin or Matt Kenseth has ever been in Cup or Busch.  Barno 23:15, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Here is a list of All Roush victories. According to this list they raced in Trans Am and IMSA GTS. -Drdisque 17:37, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Strange, someone in the Roush offices must have oversimplified, because all the IMSA wins are listed as GTS. Google searches for Roush+GTO, Roush+GTP, and Roush+GTX all find multiple sources that show race wins and championships in the other divisions (and aren't just copying from each other).  Barno 23:28, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Sources for including non-NASCAR history
Okay, here's a little research to include some historical background to what is now a significant NASCAR team:

Formulanone 19:56, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Here's a good source (FoMoCo's website) for starting news sections on Roush's IMSA and SCCA Trans-Am's section(s).
 * And here's another one (which was also in print) dedicated to the Roush-entered 1985 IMSA GTO car.
 * An interview with Dorsey Schroeder mentions the Roush-IMSA-SCCA connection.
 * Ironically, NASCAR's official bio on Robby Gordon which has a mention.
 * Lastly, here's a photo I took in 1987, that I have just uploaded to Commons showing both the IMSA and the Trans-Am cars, and the Roush logo on the awning.

Revival
So now it seems there's pretty much no mention of Roush's road racing victories or programs in this article now. As was mentioned before, Roush ran the factory Ford Mustang and Merkur XR4Ti programs in Camel GT and SCCA Trans-Am in the 80s, as well as participated in drag racing. They even co-developed Ford's GTP prototypes with Zakspeed, the Ford Mustang GTP. The359 ( Talk ) 19:21, 13 July 2011 (UTC)