Talk:RJR Nabisco/Archives/2013

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RJR Nabisco was one of the most (in)famous LBOs of the '80s, and Barbarians at the Gate was a huge bestseller. I think it's a pity that Wikipedia does not have a more comprehensive article on RJR Nabisco.

If you want to contribute to this expansion, possible sources are:
 * Leveraged buyout
 * Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co.
 * Nabisco
 * R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company
 * Barbarians at the Gate: The Fall of RJR Nabisco

saturnight 09:58, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

I agree, but don't really have time to make the necessary improvements. I'm sure that's a common sentiment for things like this. One of the disadvantages of Wikipedia is that it has too little information about things that interest busy businessmen from past generations (like the RJR Nabisco LBO), and too much information about things that interest this generation of computer-dwellers with more leisure time (like World of Warcraft). This isn't to say that information about one is somehow more legitimate than info about the other, just that Wikipedia is a product not of the overall base of public knowledge, but instead a self-selecting group who choose to post more often. This inherently leaves some topics underrepresented.
 * While that's true, I am trying to do more to attract people who are interested in past generation businesses. Like link RJR Nabisco to the article on the neighborhood where its headquarters was. I don't know the answer to that question yet, but I'll find out :) WhisperToMe (talk) 14:26, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Poor Article
This is a poor, confusing article. It's difficult to understand, and many things are referenced without any context. It should be discarded and rewritten by someone who has good knowledge of this story. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.230.177.44 (talk) 21:13, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Stuff
http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/http://www.rjrnabisco.com ...should work WhisperToMe (talk) 02:07, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Logo
http://books.google.com/books?id=_wQAAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA30

Working on it
I'm working on some improvements. I have access to a database with some of the older Winston-Salem Journal articles. Unfortunately, it doesn't go back as far as when RJR Nabisco was in Winston-Salem (the article didn't say that it was!), but the good people at Journalnow.com, the web site of the Winston-Salem Journal, did a special report on the RJR Nabisco era. I'm not sure how to deal with citing it as a source. Its date is simply "Copyright 1999". And it's chapter 27 of something, but I don't know exactly what. My intention was to clarify what the World Headquarters Building was. I don't think it was even mentioned on Wikipedia at all before this week. But the Reynolds Building currently being considered for renovation as a hotel was not the R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company headquarters. That was RJR Plaza next door. And in the process of trying to find information on exactly what was the truth about those two buildings, I found some details about the third headquarters (which was actually older than RJR Plaza, but I didn't know this), and that led to my current efforts.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 19:59, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm confused as to how to describe "R. J. Reynolds Industries". That's the company that became RJR Nabsico. The problem applies to R. J. Reynolds Tobacco Company as well. There was no parent company as such before Reynolds started acquiring non-tobacco businesses, but they created a parent company for all their businesses. I found a source that said 1970.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 21:58, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I found a source that said R. J. Reynolds Tobacco changed its name to R. J. Reynolds Industries in 1970, and the same source later referred to R. J. Reynolds Tobacco as a subsidiary. Also, I plan to use that source to detail the other name changes this company went through.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 19:12, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, lots of confusion. I seem to recall that one company called Nabisco Group Holdings existed for no reason other than to keep Nabisco from having to be obligated by the Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement. It didn't own anything once Nabisco was sold to Philip Morris, and R. J. Reynolds took it over. And that's when the company that had been RJR Nabisco ceased to exist. Once I find the confirmation of what I just said, it's in the article.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 21:34, 30 March 2012 (UTC)