Talk:RS-28 Sarmat

Missile test citation does not support
Currently link (11), the article from state media organ TASS only references a future test date, and nothing to do with an actual test. Cursory internet searches yield only sources repeating official Russian statements on the supposed test. Given Russia's history of obfuscation and outright fabrication on military matters, it remains an open question as to whether any successful Sarmat flights have occured without 3rd party verification. This throws the article's credibility into question and should be redressed. Wikipedia is not for uncritical dissemination of state propaganda. 74.104.130.145 (talk) 23:59, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
 * You might want to take a look at WP:TASS -- it's considered a generally unreliable source in most cases, and should be replaced with better sources when found. ⇒   SWAT Jester   Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 01:31, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I've gone ahead and replaced all the TASS sources with other, more reliable sources. ⇒   SWAT Jester   Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 01:38, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

24 Avangards?
People keep writing that it can carry 24 of those HGVs. The only sources that verify it are some russian pages. I corrected it and even added two reliable sources, but someone deleted it and didn't even add a citation. Isopod gang 31 (talk) 14:02, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

The armyrecognition.com image caption says Sarmat can carry 24 Avangard HGVs, but it also says that the payload is 10 tons. The CSIS page about Avangard gives an estimate of the mass as 2,000 kg. If the 10 ton figure is correct, that would mean a maximum of five Avangards. I think CSIS is a better source than armyrecognition.com, and the 2 ton figure is reasonable, so we need a source that says how many Avangards a Sarmat can actually carry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 57.140.108.51 (talk) 18:35, 25 March 2024 (UTC)


 * yes, you're right, that's what i'm talking about. i also checked the page about Sarmat specifically on armyrecognition.com and it said that only 3 can be carried, which would make sense speaking weight- and space-wise. Isopod gang 31 (talk) 15:35, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Sarmat absolutely cannot carry 24 Avangards, nor would it ever carry a completely full load of warheads due to a combination of treaty limitations, maintenance considerations, and the need to reserve warhead bus space for countermeasures and decoys. 3 is actually the generally accepted number in the arms control community, FWIW. We still need a reliable source to cite to, which is the OP's point and CSIS is a better sources than armyrecognition. ⇒  SWAT Jester   Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 18:52, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * definitely, but i think there isn't a specific number of Avangards carried written on CSIS Isopod gang 31 (talk) 18:57, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Mozyr
The claims about Mozyr are pretty dubious -- other than Russian state media sources (propganda outlets) with poor reputations for fact checking, and repeats of statements from Russian government officials, there's no indication that reliable, independent sources have ever found Mozyr to be effective. This is further evidenced by the fact that Mozyr ceased development in the 1990's, and there's no evidence that it has been tested since. We should remove the entire sentence claiming that it can defeat incoming projectiles, given that there's zero indication that it actually can do so nor that it even exists in the field. — ⇒   SWAT Jester   Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 17:56, 25 June 2024 (UTC)