Talk:Rabbit/Archive 3

Semi-protected edit request on 22 April 2019
Write more basic information to give readers better background information Skizzzzz (talk) 15:18, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
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"Rabbitology"
What is the -logy word for the study of rabbits? I wonder whether there is anything akin to cynology, felinology etc.? GCZPN3 (talk) 14:43, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Not quite sure how to do this, but there appears to be an error of writing.
"Rabbits have long been domesticated. Beginning in the Middle Ages, the European rabbit has been widely kept as livestock, starting in ancient Rome." A much better sentence would highlight that domestication began in the middle ages, the european rabbit having wideley been kept as livestock, since ancient rome etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C4:8D20:6700:C960:3DDB:AFAF:D5BF (talk) 23:32, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Cucumber Quest
There are rabbits in Cucumber Quest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:197:C181:B70:112E:48CA:16E1:20D7 (talk) 18:03, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 April 2020
Image of a domestic rabbit. Sahagunethan (talk) 02:51, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 20 August 2020

 * What I think should be changed: The picture of the Sylvilagus palustris hefneri (Lower Keys marsh rabbit) in the Taxonomy section
 * Why it should be changed: The picture appears to actually be an Eastern cottontail.
 * References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button): The pictures on the Wikipedia Eastern cottontail page and Marsh rabbit page.

74.123.64.165 (talk) 16:30, 20 August 2020 (UTC)


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Locked??
I don't see any justification for locking this page at all. Once again, Wikipedia moves away from its roots as a encyclopedia anyone can edit in favor of the chosen few.


 * You can make a request for unprotection. Or you can create an account. enjoyer|talk 03:48, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Rabbit uterus is duplex and not bipartite
from Uterus (this version) Rabbit uterus is duplex and not bipartite Ntrigue (talk) 11:12, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Rabbit is specifically listed as having a duplex uterus
 * Two cervixes is characteristic of a duplex uterus, whereas a bipartite uterus has a single cervix

Semi-protected edit request on 21 April 2021
Please kindly edit page to show a group of rabbits is also known as a "Fluffle", as this fact is missing from the page yet the page is locked from editing. 2A00:23C6:279F:7401:BD09:9EB1:5D5C:3E29 (talk) 19:10, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:13, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

palustris or floridanus
File:Eastern Cottontail.JPG depicts Sylvilagus palustris or Sylvilagus floridanus? See infobox from Lagomorpha and Rabbit. -- NGC 54  ( talk |  contribs ) 14:47, 14 May 2021 (UTC)


 * @ Timbuk-2 : At Special:Diff/827867154, you said that the image depicts Sylvilagus palustris hefneri, but Lagomorpha and Eastern cottontail infoboxes say that the image depicts Sylvilagus floridanus. How did you found out that is Sylvilagus palustris hefneri, not Sylvilagus floridanus? -- NGC 54  ( talk |  contribs ) 15:35, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

It's kind of you to ask. Alas, I have no learnéd insight into the matter. I'm sure that I just took whatever identification was already associated with that image when I chose to use it. I may also have contributed to the problem by inadvertently introducing a copy-and-paste type of editorial error somewhere along the line. Please feel free to rely on the knowledge of wiser folks than me on this one. And thank you for contributing to the accuracy of the rabbit articles on Wikipedia. Your input is valued. -T2. Timbuk-2 (talk) 15:59, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

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Hebrew שפן

 * In Jewish folklore, rabbits (shfanim שפנים) are associated with cowardice

I don't know the Jewish folklore about animals, but שפן is a hyrax. A rabbit is ארנב. phma (talk) 11:01, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

carrots & Spinach
Since the page on mice mentions that they don't have a preference for cheese despite this being something prevalent in (at least Western) culture, I feel like the same should be mentioned regarding rabbits and their preference for carrots.

This page on the RSPCA website appears to mention this sufficiently enough in the first section (in addition to the fact that they wouldn't naturally be able to access root vegetables easily in the first place), and seems good enough for a source: https://www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/pets/rabbits/diet/myths

Can rabbit eat spinach? Yes, Spinach is a great Green leafy food for Rabbits. There are many nutrients and minerals found inside the spinach, which are very good for the rabbit. Rabbits get Vitamin A, Vitamin B9, Vitamin K, Iron, Calcium, and Magnesium from Spinach.

Is this sufficient for a line to be added regarding it somewhere? - 2A02:C7E:178F:5900:85DE:BE8E:C23E:D98D (talk) 16:58, 23 February 2022 (UTC)


 * I think that's a good idea. It could be added to the Digestion section in the discussion of diet. Averixus (talk) 13:00, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 April 2022
text refers to "ox coxae" should be "os coxae" 70.31.148.129 (talk) 03:29, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ Cannolis (talk) 04:45, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 October 2022
Under Digestion:

Digestion Rabbits are herbivores that feed by grazing on grass and other leafy plants. In consequence, their diet contains large amounts of cellulose, which is hard to digest. Rabbits solve this problem via a form of hindgut fermentation. They pass two distinct types of feces: hard droppings and soft black viscous pellets, the latter of which are known as caecotrophs or "night droppings" [32] and are immediately eaten (a behaviour known as coprophagy). Rabbits reingest their own droppings (rather than chewing the cud as do cows and numerous other herbivores) to digest their food further and extract sufficient nutrients.[33]

Rabbits graze heavily and rapidly for roughly the first half-hour of a grazing period (usually in the late afternoon), followed by about half an hour of more selective feeding.[citation needed] In this time, the rabbit will also excrete many hard fecal pellets, being waste pellets that will not be reingested.[citation needed] If the environment is relatively non-threatening, the rabbit will remain outdoors for many hours, grazing at intervals.[citation needed] While out of the burrow, the rabbit will occasionally reingest its soft, partially digested pellets; this is rarely observed, since the pellets are reingested as they are produced.[citation needed]

0:54 Video of a wild European rabbit with ears twitching and a jump Hard pellets are made up of hay-like fragments of plant cuticle and stalk, being the final waste product after redigestion of soft pellets. These are only released outside the burrow and are not reingested. Soft pellets are usually produced several hours after grazing, after the hard pellets have all been excreted.[citation needed] They are made up of micro-organisms and undigested plant cell walls.[citation needed]

Rabbits are hindgut digesters. This means that most of their digestion takes place in their large intestine and cecum. In rabbits, the cecum is about 10 times bigger than the stomach and it along with the large intestine makes up roughly 40% of the rabbit's digestive tract.[34] The unique musculature of the cecum allows the intestinal tract of the rabbit to separate fibrous material from more digestible material; the fibrous material is passed as feces, while the more nutritious material is encased in a mucous lining as a cecotrope. Cecotropes, sometimes called "night feces", are high in minerals, vitamins and proteins that are necessary to the rabbit's health. Rabbits eat these to meet their nutritional requirements; the mucous coating allows the nutrients to pass through the acidic stomach for digestion in the intestines. This process allows rabbits to extract the necessary nutrients from their food.[35]

The chewed plant material collects in the large cecum, a secondary chamber between the large and small intestine containing large quantities of symbiotic bacteria that help with the digestion of cellulose and also produce certain B vitamins. The pellets are about 56% bacteria by dry weight, largely accounting for the pellets being 24.4% protein on average. The soft feces form here and contain up to five times the vitamins of hard feces. After being excreted, they are eaten whole by the rabbit and redigested in a special part of the stomach. The pellets remain intact for up to six hours in the stomach; the bacteria within continue to digest the plant carbohydrates. This double-digestion process enables rabbits to use nutrients that they may have missed during the first passage through the gut, as well as the nutrients formed by the microbial activity and thus ensures that maximum nutrition is derived from the food they eat.[11] This process serves the same purpose in the rabbit as rumination does in cattle and sheep.[36]

Dissected image of the male rabbit reproductive system with key structures labeled. Because rabbits cannot vomit,[37] if buildup occurs within the intestines (due often to a diet with insufficient fibre),[38] intestinal blockage can occur.[39]

Being herbivores, rabbits need to consume a frequent stream of fiber, however some fibrous foods are actually dangerous for rabbits to eat and should be avoided. These include: Avocados, fruit seeds and pits, raw onions, leeks and garlic, rhubarb, iceberg lettuce, house plants, raw potatoes, kale, oatmeal, hamsters food, silverbeet, bread, pasta, cookies, & crackers

Non-Fibrous foods that should be avoided include: Meat, peanut butter, chocolate, walnuts, cereal, yogurt Racheldee35 (talk) 15:18, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Peta and the blog of a pet food manufacturer are not reliable sources. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:15, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Behaviour? Social structure?
I would have expected some information on that, too. 87.126.21.225 (talk) 17:36, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Hospices de Beaune painting
The Hospices de Beaune painting is supposedly mid 15th century, yet it shows a pile of tomatoes (on the table, to the right of the rabbit carcasses). I would think that tomatoes would not exist in France until at least 1492. I am also not sure whether they would have been considered foodstuff at their arrival in Europe. I cannot find any information about this painting other than what is on Wikipedia. 2600:8806:500:BE0:91A7:1D42:EF6E:1E46 (talk) 03:16, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

There is no behaviour section
Just pointing this out. There should be some info on that, too, IMO. 79.100.144.23 (talk) 01:12, 5 July 2022 (UTC) Uo oU


 * You raise a good point! If I say so myself, you should make a draft and send a a link here to see what we can do. - MountainKemono (talk) 14:02, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Citogenesis: Fluffle
In a striking and detailed example of citogenesis, the linguist Ben Zimmer wrote today, on the American Dialect Society listserv, on the origin of "fluffle," a supposed name for a group of rabbits, as an unsourced edit to this article. John M Baker (talk) 22:06, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Is "collective noun page" really a reliable source?
The citation on the collective noun for rabbits doesn't strike me as reliable - it seems to be a page curated by a single person who accepts suggestions from other individuals on collective nouns. A lot of them appear to be humorous (e.g. "an annoyance of cell phones", "an asylum of managers") and I'm not convinced this site exists to chronicle genuine terms used by many people. I think it's more likely a site used to collect and display suggested terms for things. Some of them might be genuine but I don't think the site's creator is an authority on the matter and it shouldn't be used as a source BigZak69 (talk) 19:29, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Should this even be included?

 * Rabbits are known to be able to catch fire and spread wildfires, but the efficiency and relevance of this method has been doubted by forest experts who contend that a rabbit on fire could move some meters. Knowledge on fire-spreading rabbits is based on anecdotes as there is no known scientific investigation on the subject.

Maybe move to a footnote? Viriditas (talk) 20:29, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Should discussion of hares be removed?
Under the thermoregulation section, it discusses the size of the ears of the jackrabbit (which is NOT a rabbit but a hare). Is it ok to remove this info? Then I thought maybe it should be moved to the Hare page. But the discussion has no citation so should it just be removed & not moved? Thanks. Sunandshade (talk) 19:46, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I agree it should be removed because it's unsourced and some of it was total nonsense - "The jackrabbit has the largest ears within the Oryctolagus cuniculus group" when jackrabbits are in a separate genus from Oryctolagus.
 * I went ahead and cut out those unsourced paragraphs completely. Averixus (talk) 21:04, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * On a related note, the picture next to the thermoregulation section has what looks like a hare to me. Seems it should show a rabbit.  Should I replace it with one of a rabbit?  That would be a fun exercise for me (since I'm a newbie). Sunandshade (talk) 22:56, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Good idea! The caption on that picture does say "jack rabbit" so it should definitely not be used in this article. Averixus (talk) 15:22, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Will do. I'm new here so it'll take me awhile to do this, but it'll be a good exercise for me. Sunandshade (talk) 20:24, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Deciding, should I undo?
A user recently made a change (in 2 edits) that I think is wrong. I think it should be undone but I'm new here & wanted to check with the community first. I asked about the change on the user's talk page but have not heard a reply. In fact, she has not replied to any of the comments on her talk page. Since I got no info there, I thought I would ask here.

It used to say hares were in the family Leporidae. She removed that & said hares were in the order Lagomorpha. I think it's best to say hares are in Leporidae (which is in Lagomorpha).

Do people here think I should undo her change? Sunandshade (talk) 20:35, 25 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I have not heard from anyone so I'm going to make the changes. Sunandshade (talk) 01:25, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 November 2023
In the section talking about Biology --> Evolution, there is the sentence "Another difference is that for rabbits, all of their teeth continue to grown, where as for most rodents, only their incisors continue to grow." --> the "grown" should be grow. LasagnaTea (talk) 17:50, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ RudolfRed (talk) 19:41, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

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Proposal to turn article into disambiguation page
I think my initial proposal to merge Leporidae into this article was off the mark, but I think I've thought of a better solution. Given that the scope of the article is unclear, I think a better proposal would be to transform the article into a disambiguation page that links readers into what particular topic they are interested in. An example version of the page would be something like:

Rabbit may refer to: This would then be followed by the contents of the current Rabbit (disambiguation) page.
 * Members of the genus Oryctolagus
 * The European rabbit (Oryctolagus cuniculus)
 * The Domestic rabbit (Oryctolagus cuniculus domesticus)
 * Any member of the family Leporidae that is not a hare (Lepus)

What are others thoughts on this? I think this would most elegantly solve the severe scope problem that the article currents suffers from, as 99% of the usage of rabbit looking at google search and google scholar results refers to members of the genus Oryctolagus specifically, not all non-hare leporids, and huge swaths of the article are about these species rather than non-hare leporids generally. Hemiauchenia (talk) 00:09, 26 December 2023 (UTC)