Talk:Rabiya Mateo

Requested move 27 October 2020

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Moved. (non-admin closure) Emperork (talk) 02:07, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Rabiya Sundall Mateo → Rabiya Mateo – Per WP:COMMONNAME, the subject's name is Rabiya Mateo. The article itself states that Sundall is a middle name that is not used professionally. This article was only titled this way because a correctly titled article was also created and for some reason later redirected to this one. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 03:35, 27 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Not Support I dont think we need to move the page to Rabiya Mateo, and Sundall is not her middle name, Occeña is the right middle name, Sundall is her fathers surname, While Mateo is her mother’s surname, which is both of Sundall and Mateo is from a matrilineal and patrilineal surname in the Philippines (same as happen with Latin America or Spanish naming where both of the parents surname was included) and some of the beauty queens also has done the same page naming like this, for example; Iana Tickle Garcia, A’yana Keshelle Phillips, Dee-Ann Kentish-Rogers, Frederika Alexis Cull, Birta Abiba Þórhallsdóttir and many more! I Nyoman Gede Anila, Talk October 27, 2020 12.24 (UTC)
 * The articles you cite are not the same thing. Those are all women who use two given names or surnames as part of their professional name. Regardless of what her legal given name is and what is or isn't a middle name, Sundall is not part of her professional name. She is credited as Rabiya Mateo. Per WP:COMMONNAME, that should be the name of her article. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 14:49, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 04:57, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support yesterday when I first came across the article it kind of stuck me as curious as to why the page title was having the middle name when its not commonly used. Roller26 (talk) 05:57, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support I think that it should still be Rabiya Mateo. Shawntheshipper (talk) 22:38, 28 October 2020 (UTC)*suspected socked-puppet account with Ianpaulguerrero
 * Support I think it should be moved to Rabiya Mateo, it is for everybody to avoid confusion. Your statements are correct, but we all know that the naming system of our country is: Given name + Maternal surname + Paternal surname. Sundall shouldn't be added into her name since she uses Mateo as her surname and she never used her Fathers' surname ever since her parents separated. She is born with a name that is in Filipino naming system. So we shouldn't make any changes to her name, since it's clear that she didn't use her Fathers' surname. It would lead to confusion if we use that naming style. Thanks. Chiwit0217 (talk) 05:00, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 17:43, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support because this is not used.--SalutV (talk) 04:18, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Support It should be Rabiya Mateo. Sundall is not included in her professional name. When she introduces her name, she says RABIYA OCCEÑA MATEO. I think that it should be moved to Rabiya Mateo or Rabiya Occeña Mateo. Ianpaulguerrero (talk) 06:34, 2 November 2020 (UTC)*suspected socked-puppet account with Shawntheshipper
 * Support the middle name of he father is not being used in any official documents. Please removed it, it is unfair to us keeping wikpedia clen yet some jealous indonesian fans keeps vandalizing it just like what happened ind Francisca James’s page.--Ph awesome (talk) 04:18, 2 November 2020 (UTC)*Not keeping discussion succinct and civil, the comment is very irrelevant. *SUPPORT. It should be RABIYA OCCEÑA MATEO. References claiming that SUNDALL is her middle name are NOT reliable. These sources are fake made by haters. Sundal in Indonesian means bitch. So Sundal should be removed. Ianpaulguerrero (talk) 11:56, 2 November 2020 (UTC)*Doubled vote aren't allowed
 * REPORT Hello! It seems suspicious and pertinent to note that Shawntheshipper, Ianpaulguerrero, Chiwit0217, SalutV and Ph awesome are sockpuppets, confirmed These accounts 1st edit is on this RFD and was just less than 70 minutes old or even less than a day old after being created, while commenting support here. Their account is very suspicious and was created only to vote here.
 * Shawntheshipper > User account was made on 28 October 2020, and straightly voting here at the same time on 28 October 2020
 * Ianpaulguerrero > User account was made on 1 November 2020, and straightly voting TWICE here at the same time on 1 & 2 November 2020, and it's prohibited to vote more than once.
 * SalutV > User account was inactivate and active in sudden on 2 November 2020, and straightly voting here at the same time on 2 November 2020
 * Ph awesome > Unprofessional users that always vandalized beauty pageant titleholder pages, as she did HERE and HERE, and always vandalizing a bunch of pages by editing without reliable references.

For your information, Rabiya full name is Rabiya Occeña Sundall Mateo it was confirmed by herself on personal interview with Rabiya by Philippines leading, largest and the second oldest newspaper, Manila Bulletin and many more. As you can see here >>    Please use legitimate information, don't use assumptions from your own brain!

Bri I'm going to issuing this thing to be reported as a socketpuppets users and purposely indication on creating account just for voting and doing vandalism! I Nyoman Gede Anila, Talk 22:15, 2 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Personally undecided - do it right way, decide based on which name is used "more" by the "reliable sources and then go by the precedence": 1. Instead of counting votes here, first count the reliable sources. Name based on the reliable source with less votes wins over the name taken from the unreliable sources with more votes. Exclude all the votes which have supported the names based on the unreliable sources. 2. Go by the precedence, for example another mixed PinayIndian Venus Raj's article has her full name Maria Venus Bayonito Raj which has surviced for many years, so use the same convention, i.e. full name in the article namespace for Rabiya too. 3. Remember, in the end does not matter what do you put as the article namespace, retain her both short and full name within the article text and redirect all the variations of her names to this article, this will keep everyone happy. 58.182.176.169 (talk) 18:01, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Shawntheshipper You're being annoying by reverting and deleting legitimate references there and you're currently on edit warring with so many users. As you did here, you're reverting everyone edits HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE and many more... Stop reverting everyone's edit, you're being non-sense and content removal by deleting reliable sources is inappropriate, Arabiya Sundall page isn't even your own page, everyone has the right to edits but yours are too disruptive and changing newly updated legitimate sources with an small local TV channel blog isn't accepted, even CNA article aren't legitimate sources sometimes you should also check the actual date released of the news.180.247.192.254 (talk) 14:15, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * voting cheat &  This 2 users are both SOCKED-PUPPETRY accounts

**socked puppet account: Youre also involved in socked puppet account with Ianpaulguerrero based on your edit comment on Rabiya Sundall Mateo this 2 user are identical and came from the same IP Address that suspected with vandalism acts on Rabiya Sundall Mateo history page. HERE & HERE their edits comment using CAPSLOCK which is very inappropriate and impolite behavior, also using identical attacking words. Which came from the same IP Address.


 * socked puppet facts: This 2 accounts (Shawntheshipper & Ianpaulguerrero) are both commenting at the same concern and it happens at the same times to the Callanecc, I Nyoman Gede Anila, Materialscientist talk pages!! and reverting all the edits made by other users, this 2 users (Shawntheshipper & User:Ianpaulguerrero) are totally suspicious. 180.247.192.254 (talk) 14:15, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Strong support per nom. I don't even think this needs an RM. Google sources obviously uses "Rabiya Mateo" and not the full name.  Hiwilms   Talk   09:52, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Strong support from me as well. Like, I agree that this seems to be on its surface to be a relatively uncontroversial move that wouldn't usually require a move request. If the sources overwhelmingly use the given name and surname, then this is the de facto WP:COMMONNAME. I have no idea what's going on with the socks. Symmachus Auxiliarus (talk) 10:31, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Strong Support as well. Ever since I started editing in 2016, most articles here support WP:COMMONNAME. Despite having Sundall as part of her full name, since she does not use it in any way professionally so I believe that it shouldn't be included in her wiki page title. This has been proved many times in her yearbooks and her interviews that she only uses Rabiya Occeña Mateo only. Still confused about the sockpuppet issue though. Milesq (talk) 11:41, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Strong Support per nom (WP:COMMONNAME). — Emperork (talk) 01:56, 16 November 2020 (UTC)


 * The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Rabiya's height.
SOCKED-PUPPET USERS Can we stop changing her height? She's 5'7". There are articles saying that she's 5'6" and other articles say that she's 5'7". But she confirmed it herself during an Instagram takeover with @missuupdates that she's 5'7". I hope that's already fine.

Here's the link of her Instagram takeover with @missuupdates where she confirmed it herself that she's 5'7". https://www.instagram.com/s/aGlnaGxpZ2h0OjE3ODQ5Njc2NjA1MDcwNDk1?igshid=7o7jd2pdax42&story_media_id=2313635432124030846_4447444815 Shawntheshipper (talk) 11:28, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

You're the one that should stop! Now i explain to you for the third times! Instagram and self-statement claim is not a legitimate platform for Wikipedia references! While all current refs that has been founded, showed that she is 5'6'', but yet you're still ignorance and kept on editing based on your own claim, you're brutally attacking other users edit, very disruptive and content removal by deleting legitimate current reference &replaced it with Instagram links and a copycat news article is not allowed! its against Wiki rules! be smart please!I Nyoman Gede Anila, Talk October 30, 2020 04.21 (UTC)

SOCKED-PUPPET USERS I agree. Why do people keep on changing her height. Please have respect to Rabiya. Reality04 (talk) 07:33, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

It's not about respect, NOTE: Do not changed the height without a reliable source supporting it. It was agreed that Rabiya is 5’6” tall based on legitimate references.

Birthdate
SOCKED-PUPPET USERS I'm not sure if her birthday is January 1996 making her 24 years old as of November 2, 2020.

SOCKED-PUPPET USERS On her Preliminary interview in Miss Universe Philippines 2020 last October (which is taped on that month), she introduced herself as "Hi, I'm Rabiya Occeña Mateo, 23". So i guess she's not born in 1996.

SOCKED-PUPPET USERS Correct me if I'm wrong but I just noticed this when i watched her Preliminary interview. Ianpaulguerrero (talk) 06:39, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

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SOCKED-PUPPET USERS Okay. I just saw this interview of Dyan Castillejo (ABS-CBN Reporter) with Rabiya Mateo few days ago. Rabiya said that she will be turning 24 on November 14 so that makes her birthday to be November 14, 1996. Ianpaulguerrero (talk) 05:50, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

https://www.pep.ph/news/local/rabiya-mateo-miss-universe-philippines-crown-a718-20201106

SOCKED-PUPPET USERS There. That's a reliable reference proving that she's still 23 years old now. And that she will be turning 24 on November 14, 2020. Please read the whole article provided to be more aware. Thank you. Shawntheshipper (talk) 19:02, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

So I have found more concrete evidence that proves Rabiya's birthdate is on November 14, 1996 and not January 11, 1996. Here are some reliable references as support:

1. Inquirer.net https://cebudailynews.inquirer.net/350717/miss-universe-philippines-2020-calls-for-fellow-ilonggos-to-give-donations-for-typhoon-victims

2. GMA Network https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/lifestyle/hobbiesandactivities/764096/rabiya-mateo-launches-donation-drive-on-24th-birthday-for-ulysses-rolly-victims/story/

3. ABS-CBN News https://news.abs-cbn.com/life/11/12/20/rabiya-mateos-homecoming-in-iloilo-set-on-november-13

4. Bombo Radyo Iloilo https://www.bomboradyo.com/iloilo/miss-universe-philippines-2020-rabiya-mateo-magasaulog-sang-iya-24th-birthday-subong-nga-adlaw-kasunod-sang-iya-hoemcoming-wish-niya-makuha-ang-5th-miss-universe-crown-para-sa-pilipinas/amp/

5. Panay News https://www.panaynews.net/red-is-power-ilonggos-paint-the-city-red-to-welcome-rabiya-mateo-home-2/

Updating her birthdate using her real birthdate will avoid confusion to our readers. You can check the references I mentioned above as proofs for what I said. Thank you very much. Milesq (talk) 04:01, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

I think, this issue should be checked and handled immediately to avoid confusion with our readers. CCstrong (talk) 05:08, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Report
& This 2 users are both SOCKED-PUPPETRY accounts Shawntheshipper You're being annoying by reverting and deleting legitimate references there and you're currently on edit warring with so many users. As you did here, you're reverting everyone edits HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE and many more... Stop reverting everyone's edit, you're being non-sense and content removal by deleting reliable sources is inappropriate, Arabiya Sundall page isn't even your own page, everyone has the right to edits but yours are too disruptive and changing newly updated legitimate sources with an small local TV channel blog isn't accepted, even CNA article aren't legitimate sources sometimes you should also check the actual date released of the news.180.247.192.254 (talk) 14:15, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

**socked puppet account: Youre also involved in socked puppet account with Ianpaulguerrero based on your edit comment on Rabiya Sundall Mateo this 2 user are identical and came from the same IP Address that suspected with vandalism acts on Rabiya Sundall Mateo history page. HERE & HERE their edits comment using CAPSLOCK which is very inappropriate and impolite behavior, also using identical attacking words. Which came from the same IP Address.


 * socked puppet facts: This 2 accounts (Shawntheshipper & Ianpaulguerrero) are both commenting at the same concern and it happens at the same times to the Callanecc, I Nyoman Gede Anila, Materialscientist talk pages!! and reverting all the edits made by other users, this 2 users (Shawntheshipper & User:Ianpaulguerrero) are totally suspicious. 180.247.192.254 (talk) 14:15, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

SOCKED-PUPPET USERS this user's been changing reliable references provided. This user's adding some untrusted sources of info. For instance, regarding Rabiya Mateo's birthdate. I provided a reliable reference which is an article from PEP. PEP stands for Philippine Entertainment Portal, Inc. It is a joint venture of Summit Media and GMA New Media, a subsidiary of GMA Network Inc. (one of Philippines' largest network) which makes my reference reliable. and yet, this user keeps on removing this reference and changing it with unreliable references. He should be suspended. Shawntheshipper (talk) 14:00, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
 * IP user, just to note, there is a specific template you can add after the sock puppet's comment, rather than making a new comment or a new section alerting users to this, since it tends to clutter up a talk page. This is in addition to the strike-through that you used, which is also the standard way to deal with such sock comments. If you want me to show you how to use the template, let me know. Symmachus Auxiliarus (talk) 04:24, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Birthdate 2020-11-15
posted a note on my talk page saying "Birthdate concern". Based on the user's other recent edits, I assume he has a concern with Mateo's birthday. I've seen several other edits in the edit history that claim a birthday of November 14th rather than January 11. I don't have the expertise to tell which sources are reliable, and even among reliable sources, which ones are accurate.

CCstrong - you picked a contentious topic to ask for a correction. As you can see from the discussions above, multiple editors, or perhaps just one editor using multiple accounts, have raised the issue this year. Unfortunately, due the abuse of multiple accounts, their message is being ignored. Don't be surprised if someone accuses you of being a "sockpuppet" of an existing user who has been blocked from editing. See Sockpuppetry if you are curious. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)  03:52, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Yeah. I am aware of that as I read the talk page of this page. I am concerned with this page because it's getting damaged and vandalized so i would like to help in the best possible way i can. And if i am accused of doing something i didn't, that would be sad. I always believe with CheckUser and he/she can check my account for transparency because I would be totally happy to get the result of not being affiliated with the sock puppets in this page. CCstrong (talk) 04:01, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

I would also like the admins or the editors here to please read the whole article of what i provided and check it for reliability and authenticity. We should fix this issue since it has damaged the whole page. Thank you very much.. CCstrong (talk) 05:09, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Rabiya Mateo's Birthdate
So since Rabiya's birthdate is one of the debated issues on this page the past few days, I think these references below are already enough to fix her birthday in this page from January 11, 1996 to November 14, 1996 as stated in these references:

1. Inquirer.net https://cebudailynews.inquirer.net/350717/miss-universe-philippines-2020-calls-for-fellow-ilonggos-to-give-donations-for-typhoon-victims

2. GMA Network https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/lifestyle/hobbiesandactivities/764096/rabiya-mateo-launches-donation-drive-on-24th-birthday-for-ulysses-rolly-victims/story/

3. ABS-CBN News https://news.abs-cbn.com/life/11/12/20/rabiya-mateos-homecoming-in-iloilo-set-on-november-13

4. Bombo Radyo Iloilo https://www.bomboradyo.com/iloilo/miss-universe-philippines-2020-rabiya-mateo-magasaulog-sang-iya-24th-birthday-subong-nga-adlaw-kasunod-sang-iya-hoemcoming-wish-niya-makuha-ang-5th-miss-universe-crown-para-sa-pilipinas/amp/

5. Panay News https://www.panaynews.net/red-is-power-ilonggos-paint-the-city-red-to-welcome-rabiya-mateo-home-2/

I think these references are already enough. Thank you. CCstrong (talk) 06:48, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 November 2020
please change Rabiya Occeña Sundall Mateo to Rabiya Occeña Mateo Hashmi

please change January 11, 1996 to November 14, 1996 Musixaaa (talk) 13:02, 16 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Request #1 not done - even the reference cited calls this person "Rabiya Mateo." However, if you can provide other evidence that her full common name or full legal name is "Rabiya Occeña Mateo Hashmi" please make a new request, separate from any other request.
 * Request #2 not done - the section above this one which presented evidence of an alternative date of birth was opened a few days ago, give editors time to discuss it before requesting this edit. I put disputed inline next to the existing date of birth to alert readers of the discussion above.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  17:07, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Change Rabiya Occeña Sundall Mateo into Rabiya Occeña Mateo QueenBarbieSteffieSmith (talk) 15:13, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm assuming this is an edit request. I've split the difference and change it to just "Rabiya Mateo" in the opening sentence and removed the birth name line from the infobox.  I view this as a TEMPORARY "compromise" change pending a reliable source for the birth name and a reliable source and discussion for the name used in the first sentence.
 * All editors able to edit the page are invited to restore the birth name IF it can be backed by a reliable source. Others are invited to make a edit semi-protected request.  Please do not add a birth name or request that it be edited without also providing a reliable source. davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  17:11, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * All editors are invited to start a new discussion-section about what name should be in the first sentence. Typically, this would either be the most common name she uses today in her professional life, optionally followed by (b. birth name goes here) if the birth name is backed by a reliable source.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  17:11, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * UPDATE: NOT done per references in section immediately below this one.  "Rabiya Occeña Sundall Mateo" is one of several forms of the name used by reliable sources, and it is the most complete one.  For the first line and for the infobox "birth name" the complete name is preferred.  I am taking it "on good faith" that the full name is the birth name, please revert (or ask that it be reverted) if that is not the case.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  15:03, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * FURTHER UPDATE Another editor reverted my change, my earlier "temporary" solution is the current version. This means more discussion is required to find a WP:CONSENSUS.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  16:25, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * please do not make this change unilaterally. You see here that there is no consensus for it. I agree with 's analysis, the source you gave still calls her "Rabiya Mateo". - Bri.public (talk) 18:01, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

That's her real name. There's no Sundall on it. The term Sundall is a vulgar term. Her real name is Rabiya Occeña Mateo Hashmi. Hashmi is her father's surname. If you're planning to change it again, you can still rewrite it as Rabiya Occeña Mateo or Rabiya Mateo only. No SUNDALL. Please. Musixaaa (talk) 19:43, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Rabiya's Fullname is Rabiya Occeña Sundall Mateo
Rabiya Occeña Sundall Mateo         (born 14 November 1996) is an Indian Filipino model and beauty pageant titleholder who was crowned Miss Universe Philippines 2020. - 36.82.23.92 talk 16:16, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Do we really need more than one reference for the birth name?
Which one is the most authoritative? When we get that settled we can get rid of the rest. If there is not "one" most authoritative then pick one of the top 2. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)  15:27, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Protection expired
The protection you recently added expired again. There seems to be an active dispute but I haven't looked into it closely. I'm not sure if protection should be restored or even temporarily be made full, or not. I am asking you to keep an eye on the page though. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)  16:33, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , I won't be around the rest of the day. If the disruption continues, please post it at WP:RFPP. --   LuK3      (Talk)   16:34, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

No Sundall on her name
https://www.prcboardnews.com/2018/08/official-results-august-2018-physical-therapist-occupational-pt-ot-board-exam-list-of-passers.html

https://www.prc.gov.ph/sites/default/files/PTOT0818-SE.pdf

These are the links proving that she doesn't have a Sundall on her name. It is a GOVERNMENT website which contains full name of board exam passers in different courses in the Philippines. In this news regarding Physical Therapist passers, Rabiya appears to be RABIYA OCCEÑA MATEO only. Adachiii (talk) 20:27, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 April 2021
Rabiya was born in November 14, 1997 according to her high school year book in the actual image that was showed in social media and a beauty pageant blogger. 2001:4453:19D:8B00:2D6E:16C9:528C:25C6 (talk) 15:25, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  EN  - Jungwon  16:48, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 May 2021
124.106.183.28 (talk) 15:37, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Please change Rabiya Mateo's height, her updated height is 5'8 (174cm)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:43, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 July 2021
It's 'A Filipina model' not 'A filipino model' as Filipino refers to a nationality and Is used to/for men and Filipina for women 112.198.74.116 (talk) 16:09, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅. ◢  Ganbaruby!   (talk) 23:52, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 July 2021 (2)
It's 'A filipina Model' not 'A filipino model'. OrenjiCakeuu (talk) 16:20, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅. ◢  Ganbaruby!   (talk) 23:52, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Interview transcript as source
WP articles usually disallow sourcing to interviews with the subject of an article, as it is not an independent reliable source. Is there a counter-argument to include it in this article? ☆ Bri (talk) 19:41, 29 November 2021 (UTC)