Talk:Race realist

Race realist =/= scientific racist
Race realism is a belief, the same thing as racialism. Scientific racism is a practice, different than a belief, thus the redirect for race realist should be to racialism, not to scientific racism. A racialist is not the same thing as a scientific racist. Connor Machiavelli (talk) 08:32, 5 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I see what you're saying, but I don't think sources agree with you. I see no strong belief/practice split here, so you're going to need solid sources for that point. I'm not sure why that would matter, anyway. There are specific ways in which scientific racism has been applied that are covered in their own articles (like drapetomania), but otherwise, I see no value in making the distinction for the topic as a whole. Regardless, the overwhelming majority of reliable, independent sources I've seen consider "race realism" as the application of pseudo-scientific concepts to racist beliefs. The word "realism" only makes sense as a way to imply that race should be treated as an empirical fact in contrast to something. That 'something' is how it's considered by the modern scientific fields of genetics, anthropology, sociology, etc., where it's seen as far, far more complex than race realism treats it. Grayfell (talk) 09:22, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Find and link these sources for your argument then. What you're saying is actually all irrelevant, because race-realism is the same belief as racialism, factually. Not only an opinion. It's in the definitions of the words. Connor Machiavelli (talk) 09:38, 5 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I agree with Grayfell (talk) on this point. Your statement "Race realism is a belief, the same thing as racialism" is akin to saying "Christianity is a religion, the same as Judaism" and using that argument to redirect Christianity to Judaism. Obviously that would be a bad redirect. Rockypedia (talk) 13:32, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

That's not what I was saying at all, I was saying they're the same thing, and that's supported by the fact they're both beliefs, not practices. Judaism is actually ethnic, it's classified as an ethno-religion. Christianity is just religion. There's obvious differences. Connor Machiavelli (talk) 19:56, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I can't even tell if you're serious, because this conversation has now taken a turn into the absurd, but okay, I'll get you the benefit of the doubt, and assume that you're not just trolling. Let's try this: Hinduism and Buddhism are both belief systems. The face that they are both beliefs does not in any way support someone's opinion that they are the same thing. To support your opinion that they are the same thing, you should find a reliable source that says they are the same thing. Rockypedia (talk) 20:35, 5 February 2016 (UTC)