Talk:Rachel Leah Jones

Article name
Please note that when this article is moved to the Article space, the correct name is "Rachel Leah Jones". Cheers, TMagen (talk) 11:20, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
 * We don't normally use middle name in article titles. See Naming conventions (people).  -- RoySmith (talk) 12:10, 3 September 2019 (UTC)


 * According to Naming conventions (people), the second name should be used if that is how sources cite the person's name more often than without (examples given: Carl Philipp Emanuel Bach). Thomas John Barnardo,
 * In English, Google has 20,000 "Rachel Leah Jones" and only about 6000 for "Rachel Jones" with film director, many of which are clearly not her. In Hebrew, the results are about 5000 and 600 respectively. I know Google hits are not the deciding factor, and that reliable sources are - but I narrowed the search so that the results were news articles, film credits, and similar, so this is an indication in this case—as opposed to really famous people (the page gives George W. Bush as an example) who would be mentioned in billions of settings that are not sources. It is also how she is credited on her film work, so I think this fits the guidelines.
 * Examples: IMDB, production company, news site, European cinema website, film magazine and there are lots more. Cheers, TMagen (talk) 10:11, 5 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Film poster for Advocate shows "A film by Rachel Leah Jones". AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:51, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I have no particularly strong opinion either way. Given the above discussion, I'm fine with using the longer title.  -- RoySmith (talk) 20:27, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Submission discussion
(copied from User talk:RoySmith - please let me know if I did this right; I think the discussion should be here) Hi RoySmith

I don't understand the reasoning of "not enough content to warrant an article of its own", nor the suggestion to include it in the article of one of her films (she has at least two film articles on enwiki). A film director's filmography should not be included that way, and assuming she is notable (she is, more below) a short article would be a stub, wouldn't it? In this case, there is a biography section, a filmography section, and external links; and there are literally thousands of filmmaker articles with quite a bit less than that (like this, this, this, and many more).

Regarding notability: According to Notability_(people), notability guidelines include:
 * The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series) or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews.
 * The person's work (or works) has: (a) become a significant monument, (b) been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) won significant critical attention, or (d) been represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums.

It should be noted that Jones' film Advocate has had not only critical acclaim and won awards, but it has created a nation-wide storm in Israel, causing the government to try and change how it awards prizes and/or funding for films, with attempts at legislative and extra-legislative control, including Mifal HaPayis cancelling its support of the international film festival DocAviv, and dozens of major creators in Israel protesting this act. Involved are major groups like Im Tirtzu, Minister of Culture Miri Regev, a long list of the nation's leading writers and creators, basically all the professional associations in the Israeli film industry (documentary filmmakers, directors union, etc), and the issue has been at the top of the headlines for quite a while. Sapir Award judges resigned in protest of governmental attempts to curb free speech. I could go on.

Sorry that these are in Hebrew, I will try to find some in English later, but Google will give you an idea how significant this is, clearly making the work significant (first listed guideline) and also in line with the significance listed in the second guideline:


 * "30 Authors Announce: If We Win a Mifal HaPayis Award, We Will Contribute to Funding the Film About Leah Tsemel"
 * "Because of Political Pressure, Mifal HaPayis Halts Funding of DocAviv Award
 * [https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5539707,00.html "Professional Unions Protested In Front Of Mifal HaPayis: 'This Isn't a Casino, You Don't Gamble on Culture'"
 * [https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5541012,00.html "Following the Mifal HaPayis Storm - Two Sapir Award Judges Resign"
 * Directors Guild response to the issue
 * Political fallout
 * More political fallout
 * more
 * more...

According to Haaretz, Israel's premier newspaper: "The film has become a symbol (monument)", and the film certainly garnered significant critical attention (second guideline) - possibly record-breaking, at least in recent years.

Let me know if you want a list of reviews by major reviewers and publications.

In addition: Other works by Rachel Leah Jones are notable and have garnered critical and political attention, including
 * 500 Dunam on the Moon
 * Ashkenaz (film)
 * Also her film Gypsy Davie won awards, no article (yet!) but included here

Meanwhile, I am adding an Awards section to the draft, hope that will help. But I do think this article stands on its own merit.

Cheers! TMagen (talk) 10:05, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
 * In my estimation, the one notable thing she did was that film. But, I'll leave it to other reviewers to comment on further.  -- RoySmith (talk) 14:20, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree it is the most notable work, and it alone makes the author of the work fit two of the guidelines, as I indicated above. TMagen (talk) 10:13, 5 September 2019 (UTC)