Talk:Racine, Wisconsin/Archive 1

Sister city?
The article says: Montélimar, France. But the List of twin towns and sister cities says Fortaleza, Brazil. Can someone verify? Stormwatch 23:20, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, just like people cities can have more than one sibling. ;) [- I have also heard from time to time that Irkutsk also is a sister city but have never seen anything that backs it up. Anonym1ty 19:34, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, a city can have more than 1 sister city. --MasterA113 13:29, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Max Hardcore
This person is being removed from the list of people from Racine. His Wikipedia page states that he was born in Racine, as does his IMDB entry. Why remove him? — Mira  03:49, 11 April 2007 (UTC) P.S. Unless the last anon was an editor who forgot to log in, might I suggest creating an account? — Mira  03:49, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

"Max Hardcore" the porn star has no place on the Racine, Wisconsin article page
Mr. Paul F. Little is one of the most vile and misogynistic porn stars in existence. So much so, that even the FBI and the city of Los Angeles tried to take him down. The page on Racine should be a celebration of Racine and its history. If it doesn't belong in a Racine visitor's guide, on the Racine web site, or in a book about Racine history; then it has no place here.

I am not asserting that "negative" events in Racine's history should be forever ignored. I just don't see how a reference to a porn star is an important enough issue to address. Mr. Little is a huge blemish on Racine's history. He is a disgrace. I have lived in Racine all my life and I certainly don't want to see his name every time I visit this page.

More importantly; do you really think it is appropriate to celebrate a man who simulates child pornography acts in his "films"? Should we list all the convicted child pornographers and child rapists from Racine too? Simulating it is no better. Even the porn industry denounces his "work", which speaks volumes.

This is an educational site. This is an online encyclopedia. Encyclopedias in print would never include Mr. Little in the "notable people from Racine" section. If it doesn't belong in a print encyclopedia; then it doesn't belong here.

Most important of all; have you stopped to consider the impact this reference will have on grade school children who use this online encyclopedia? They will see "porn star" listed and have a direct link to a page on "Pornographic actor", which describes what that means and also has direct links to other graphic web sites. These children will also have a direct link to a page about "Max Hardcore" which discusses, in graphic detail, his most disturbing acts of sexual violence. And as if that is not enough; they will also find further direct links to other graphic web sites on his page.

That kind of information is a sexually abusive violation of those children who are unlucky enough to use this wonderful resource to write a school paper about Racine, Wisconsin. Deliberately exposing children to such information is a crime in every state. I am not asserting that Wikipedia should ban pages about topics like "Max Hardcore" or "Pornographic actor". They simply should not be linked to non-pornographic pages. Goawayfast 05:06, 11 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I suggest that you read our policy on what Wikipedia is not. I'll highlight the most relevant parts. Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia, so we don't need to worry about what print encyclopedias would do. Wikipedia is not a soapbox, so we don't hide information just because it may be distasteful to some people, nor do we whitewash articles. And yes, if there are child pornographers or child rapists who are notable enough to be included in Wikipedia, we would add them to the list.
 * Probably the most important point, though, is that Wikipedia is not censored. It's pretty easy to find information about sex on Wikipedia, whether its linked in an article or not, just type the word "sex" into the search bar, and you'll be taken to a whole article about it. You could also try penis or vagina or something else offensive to some people, such as Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy or homosexuality. If people want to make sure their children stay away from such content, all they have to do is monitor them.
 * You should also read our policy on neutrality in articles. Removing a link to one person because you don't like that person violates this policy. I grew up in Racine (well, Caledonia actually) and I don't like this person either, but I check my biases at the door when I edit Wikipedia. I suggest that you do the same. — Mira  06:19, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

PORN STARS ARE ALSO HUMANS —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mick foley (talk • contribs) 06:20, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I think you are missing the point
There is no need to address this person in Racine history. He does not qualify as "noteworthy", and is not even remotely influential in terms of Racine history. He does not have even the slightest impact on this city or the people in it, past or present. He simply is not important to Racine and does not deserve a place on this page. He has not earned it.

Why do you feel it is so important to include a porn star as a "notable person from Racine"? It is rather disturbing that you would go back to this page to ensure that a porn star IS included in the text. In that sense; you are the one who is being biased, or in other words, "excessively devoted to one faction". It simply isn't necessary to include this person, and the fact that you insist it is, seriously calls into question your motives. There are far better things that you could be contributing to this page.

This is not a soapbox for "free speech" either. This is not the proper forum for such arguments. That is not the point of having an article about ANY city's history. Any eight-year-old child doing a search for "Racine, Wisconsin" is going to find a link to this Wikipedia article. I am not talking about children who deliberately type in words like "sex", because of curiosity. I am talking about children who are innocently trying to find relevant information about Racine. Porn is not relevant to Racine, its history, or its people. Neither is this porn star. How is including an irrelevant reference to porn upholding "neutrality in articles"? Goawayfast 08:05, 11 April 2007 (UTC)


 * This person is obviously noteworthy enough to be included in Wikipedia, since there is an article about him which has been around since November 2004. And this is not a list of people who have an impact on Racine, but rather a list of people who are from Racine, regardless of their involvement or influence in the community. He is notable, and he is from Racine. There's no need for him to be well-known in Racine, nor does he have to earn a place here, other than by becoming a notable person. And again, Wikipedia is not censored. Max Hardcore is relevant to this article as a notable person who is from Racine, regardless of his profession or actions. Including this "reference to porn", as you say, upholds neutrality because to do otherwise would be to sweep information under the rug because some people don't want other people to see it. You may also want to read our guideline on assuming good faith. There's no need to question my motives here. —Mira 08:16, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

And in the future...
Please do not "add" comments to this page by using the "edit" link on MY entries (or however you did it). I do not appreciate your entries looking like they are part of mine. Please use the "+" link at the top of the page, next to "edit this page" link. Thank you. Goawayfast 08:03, 11 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, new sections are typically started only when discussing a new topic, or if the discussion has gotten too large. There's no need for a new section header to go with each new comment. Just use colons to indent your posts, and sign them with four tildes (~), and there should be no problem figuring out who wrote what. I'm going to be bold and switch to a more standard formatting, as most editors who come across this page will likely be more familiar with how these pages are usually set up on Wikipedia. —Mira 08:16, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I greatly apologize for forgetting to sign my posts!
I will try to fix it? Not sure how that will, or should work. Goawayfast 07:56, 11 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Don't worry about it, I still forget sometimes, and besides, it looks like you fixed it. :) —Mira 08:16, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Max Hardcore
I'm not sure I like Max Hardcore... HOWEVER he is noteworthy. He has his own Wikipedia Article. His Wikipedia Article is as tasteful as you could possible hope for considering the subject matter. He is from Racine and it noteworthy. Like him or hate him, he stays. Just be thankful we don't have serial killers in here -they are noteworthy too in some cases. Anonym1ty 21:58, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Trivia
I have removed the trivia section from the article and pasted it here. If any of these items are notable enough to be included in the article they should be worked into the main prose rather than being in a trivia section. —Jeremy (talk) 20:38, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Racine was home to the women's baseball league team the Racine Belles, which was featured in the movie A League of Their Own.
 * Racine is home to the Racine Raiders, one of the oldest and most respected minor league football teams in the country.
 * Racine was the subject of a 2006 documentary about its annual "mega prom" in the film The World's Best Prom.
 * The Racine Dominican Sisters have their mother house in Racine.
 * The movie Dawn of the Dead plays partly in Racine. At one point a radio tells that many zombies are to be found in the area of Racine County.
 * According to Forbes Magazine, Racine is home to four billionaires, tied for 26th place in the world. See also List of cities with the most billionaires.
 * Racine is home to two drum and bugle corps, the Racine Explorer Scouts junior corps, and the Racine Kilties senior corps.
 * Frank Lloyd Wright designed and built S. C. Johnson Wax Company's headquarters building in Racine. The building was and still is considered a marvel of design innovation, despite its many practical annoyances such as leaks. Wright urged then-president Hib Johnson to build the structure outside of Racine, a city Wright thought of as a backwater. Hib Johnson refused to have the Johnson Wax Headquarters sited anywhere other than Racine, and in a compromise Wright built it in Racine, but without windows.
 * In the movie Thank You for Smoking "Cancer Boy" is from Racine.
 * The 1990 film Bird On A Wire starring Mel Gibson and Goldie Hawn was supposed to partially have taken place in Racine, though it was actually filmed in British Columbia.
 * Racine is "HQ" to the band Misery Signals, currently signed to Ferret Records.

Neighborhoods
The neighborhood we call Towerview is located in the City of Racine. Racine is on Lake Michigan in the Chicago Milwaukee corridor. Towerview is a 100 block residential neighborhood along Lake Michigan just south of Racine’s downtown center. It runs from 9th Street on the north to 21st Street on the south and from Lake Michigan west to approximately Racine Street. From the 1850’s to the 1920’s many successful entrepreneurs built their homes here. Craftsman, Queen Anne, Italianate, Prairie, Cream City Brick, Greek and Classic Revival homes can be found well preserved.

The Internationally known Frank Lloyd Wright designed, SC Johnson Research Tower, stands in the center of Towerview. The Southside Historic District has been on the National Registry of Historic Places since 1977. To the east there are many public lakefront parks offering; boat and canoe ramps, fishing, athletic fields, a skate park and historical exhibits. To the south an untouched wooded area known as Dekoven Woods provides a unique urban green space where neighbors can reserve a garden plot.

The Lake Michigan Pathway provides nine miles of lakefront access for cyclist and walkers. With a connection to the Root River Pathway users have access to many attractions by bike or on foot. Just West of Towerview, the Root River Pathway extends 4 miles where one can identify native plants and appreciate the ecology of the Root River system. The Gothic Revival Style Dekoven Center is situated on 40 acres and has a 150 year history in Racine. The DeKoven Center continues a legacy of education, spiritual reflection and recreation, promoting a variety of events and programs in the arts. The Center is open to the public and invites individuals and groups of all faiths.

The schools in the neighborhood are Fine Arts Stephen Bull Elementary School, Walden III High and Middle School and St. Catherine’s High School, with students at each school testing above State and District averages. Towerview is also the home of the first vocational school in America. Today Gateway Technical College is a community college of choice for academic achievement, occupational advancement, and personal development.

Towerview was first inhabited by Italian, Lithuanian, Slovakian, Hungarian and Greek Immigrants. Today the residents of Towerview’s tree lined streets continue to represent the diversity of the City of Racine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.128.123.18 (talk) 15:47, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Other Neighborhoods
Racine has many neighborhoods and areas with names. Including Cream City, Colonial Park, Elmwood (besides the village of the same name), Greencrest, Hickory Grove, Island Park, The Junction, Kinzie Heights, Manree Park, Oak Park (aka Rubberville) and others. it would be interesting to get into some of this information. I'm not sure how deep we'd want to go. Looking at Towerview, that's enough info for its own article! Anonym1ty 15:43, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Kinzie Heights
Kinzie Heights Area is located by McKinley School near the intersection of Chicago Street and Mohr Avenue. The area was once known as Chatauqua Park and got its name from the Chautauqua Circuit which made regular stops there. The circuit featured tents in which courses of lectures on a variety of subjects, classic plays and Broadway hits and variety of music from Metropolitan Opera stars to glee clubs. Anonym1ty 17:32, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Neighborhoods
Towerview is a 100 block residential neighborhood along Lake Michigan just south of Racine’s downtown center. It runs from 9th Street on the north to 21st Street on the south and from Lake Michigan west to approximately Racine Street. From the 1850’s to the 1920’s many successful entrepreneurs built their homes here. Craftsman, Queen Anne, Italianate, Prairie, Cream City Brick, Greek and Classic Revival homes can be found well preserved.

The Internationally known Frank Lloyd Wright designed, SC Johnson Research Tower, stands in the center of Towerview. The Southside Historic District has been on the National Registry of Historic Places since 1977. To the east there are many public lakefront parks offering; boat and canoe ramps, fishing, athletic fields, a skate park and historical exhibits. To the south an untouched wooded area known as Dekoven Woods provides a unique urban green space where neighbors can reserve a garden plot.

The Lake Michigan Pathway provides nine miles of lakefront access for cyclist and walkers. With a connection to the Root River Pathway users have access to many attractions by bike or on foot. Just West of Towerview, the Root River Pathway extends 4 miles where one can identify native plants and appreciate the ecology of the Root River system. The Gothic Revival Style Dekoven Center is situated on 40 acres and has a 150 year history in Racine. The DeKoven Center continues a legacy of education, spiritual reflection and recreation, promoting a variety of events and programs in the arts. The Center is open to the public and invites individuals and groups of all faiths.

The schools in the neighborhood are Fine Arts Stephen Bull Elementary School, Walden III High and Middle School and St. Catherine’s High School, with students at each school testing above State and District averages. Towerview is also the home of the first vocational school in America. Today Gateway Technical College is a community college of choice for academic achievement, occupational advancement, and personal development.

Towerview was first inhabited by Italian, Lithuanian, Slovakian, Hungarian and Greek Immigrants. Today the residents of Towerview’s tree lined streets continue to represent the diversity of the City of Racine. (Neighbor) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.128.123.18 (talk) 21:51, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The name Towerview is rather recent and not well known. Historically the area had always been known as "The School Section". 209.225.111.88 (talk) 22:29, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Mayorship vacancy as of 5PM Jan. 20, 2009
Leaving the article alone until 5PM, after that the office will be vacant and the article will need to be updated. Source: Racine mayor to resign today davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)  18:17, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Discussion on redirects
I was wondering if anyone knows how to change a link from the search bar. I believe that "Racine" should link directly here, with a disambiguation page link on the top of the article. The next largest city in the list has under 1000 people.RyanDPD (talk) 03:44, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep the status quo: I would keep the redirects as they are now because, there are other articles besides the list of cities/towns that need to be disambiguated. Also, would you redirect Racine to the city or the county? I don't think redirecting to one over the other really makes sense. Daniel J Simanek (talk) 20:01, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Crime?
Racine has always struggled with crime. There should be a reference to it's heyday as a murder capital in the 80s and its current high-but-lower-than-then crime rate. ," said The Person Who Is Strange. ~Yup. It's all true.  Click here for more.  My page is outdated, but there are a lot of boxes. 22:07, 24 October 2009 (UTC)