Talk:Racism in Asia

Incorrect cite Jordan
"According to a 2013 study conducted by Scandinavian academics, Jordanians are the most racist nationality in the world, followed by Indians at second place.[87]"

If you follow link/cite [87] (worldpopulationreview.com), you'll find the material states India as the second LEAST racist country in the world. However when you cross-reference the original study, I.E against mainstream journalisms citing of the actual study (world values survey), you'll find they also cite it as second MOST racist. Whatever the situation, the cite is incorrect, as it states the complete opposite of what is said within the wiki article's paragraph. You can also visit the update version of worldpopulationreview.com and find they are completely unreliable as a citable source. You look up on the website "most racist countries", and you'll find half of said entries also appear in their "least racist countries" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2407:7000:986C:1300:5C06:12DF:1EC8:D264 (talk) 17:38, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Racism in Bhutan
I think the statement that immigrants to Bhutan made an "overt attempt to create chaos in their host country" violates Wikipedia's NPOV policy. It sounds like an entry by a pro-government nationalist.Doug1943 (talk) 14:40, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Racism in the Philippines
How come there is no reference about racism in the Philippines? If no reference can be provided, then it should be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.111.41.81 (talk) 07:54, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Requested move
When I first saw this article in the new pages list, I took it to mean discrimination done by non-Asians against Asians. However, it's the exact opposite. I propose a less ambiguous title, such as Racial discrimination performed by Asians or something like that... -- T .o .n .y 13:36, 20 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The title is ambiguous, but I'm not sure "performed" is the word. - Rockhurst_singer 13:39, 20 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I disagree. Asian-Asian racism is very common, and this article is appropriate. DOR (HK) (talk) 05:13, 13 February 2008 (UTC)DOR (HK) Feb 13, 2008.

Survey and discussion

 * Rename to Racism in Asia, to include both racial discrimination by Asians toward non-Asians and by non-Asians living in Asia toward Asians...? (And/or merge with Racism?) Regards, David Kernow 19:13, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Comment: As currently envisioned ("a discrimination by Asians against people of non-Asian origin in the world") the page should probably move to Anti-foreigner sentiment in Asia or Nationalism in Asia -- but is there no room for the inclusion of Asian-on-Asian racism? e.g. Japanese v Chinese or Indigenous populations? Thai v Cambodian or Shan? etc. etc. etc.? Or we do already have a separate page for that? Ewlyahoocom 09:10, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * David's idea makes sense to me. &mdash; Nightst a  llion  (?) 11:54, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I can't help but wonder why this article exists at all, but setting that aside, what about racism among asians? For example, Japanese and Koreans, or Luzon and Mindanao Filipinos? Technically, that is also 'Racism in Asia'. I am pushing the question of 'Why at all?' a little harder than the latter, though... I'm thinking merge with Racism. --Oceanhahn 12:51, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Hong Kong
Some questions: DOR (HK) (talk) 05:14, 13 February 2008
 * 1) What is the link between the lack of a minimum wage and racism?
 * 2) Why are Chinese discriminations against Chinese considered appropriate for an article on racism? Where is the racial context?
 * 3) If “recent” migrants of the same race are discriminated against, what specific date should be used to restrict such discrimination, and why?
 * 4) Why is the Equal Opportunities Commission – which has no jurisdiction over racial discrimination – cited in this article?
 * 5) What role does language of instruction play in racism, if any?


 * Not a clue, I just moved the article from racism by country. -mattbuck (Talk) 10:03, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Re 2: Punti / Guangdongren people are of different ethnic background to most mainland chinese migrants who are han / hakka, hence it discrimination on these grounds would definately come under racism, or at the very least, socio-ethnic discrimination. 121.79.1.46 (talk) 05:05, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comment. Any idea where that definition comes from? The reason I ask is that it bears no resemblance to the United Nations definition whatsoever.DOR (HK) (talk) 06:21, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Your question can be be answered by actually looking a the UN definition of Racism: "1. In this Convention, the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life." (see http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/cerd.htm) That's from the UN. It pretty much explains the point made up on the page - they (the majority of HK residents have a different ethnic origin to most mainland chinese migrants, and given the UN definition, discrimination based on this (or national origin, remember the 'one nation, two systems approach) would be defined as racism. 121.79.19.4 (talk) 05:56, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't like the phrase "mainland Chinese immigrants." Hong Kong is a city in China, and no one is an immigrant in the country where they were born or raised. I've changed the word "immigrants" to "migrants." If anyone has any objections, please state them here. (Blootix (talk) 02:05, 6 February 2009 (UTC))

RE3: Can we please get a rewrite on the mainland hong kong divide? The section is clearly written in a non objective manner which places blame on mainlanders, especially the comments regarding mainlanders turning to racism because they do not understand socio economic and cultural differences. Social cultural differences does not mean xenophobia, bigotry isn't present. Stupiddvdcase (talk) 11:38, 13 February 2016 (UTC)


 * We summarise fairly reliable sources. Unlike mainland China, Wikipedia is not censored and if reliable sources say that Hong Kongers blame mainlanders for problems or that bigotry is present, then we mention this. BushelCandle (talk) 11:59, 13 February 2016 (UTC)


 * The Hong Kong section talks about Hong Kongers' views regarding 'mainlanders' letting their children defacate and urinate openly in the street. Whether or not the story or reaction is true I don't know because the source is a web page written entirely in Chinese. Is that a 'fairly reliable' source? 92.237.196.75 (talk) 23:18, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Useful information
www.asianracism.blogspot.com

Lot's of articles on the topic, might be useful for source material 210.23.146.66 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 05:18, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

India
The section on India focusses almost entirely in dalits and caste issues. More appropriate would be a section on racism itself, for instance the preference for fair skin (note the huyge popularity of face bleaching porducts - even Shah Rukh Khan advertised one!), abuse aginst dark skinned Indians or those from the north east (who generally resemble Burmese people) and aginst black people travelling there (see also the recent cricket controversies). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.144.122.189 (talk) 16:26, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It was largely forked from Caste system in India and heavily discussed that how caste system is different from racism.  Occult Zone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 12:14, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but the idea that racism in India started with the British is laughable. I would need to see credible evidence that there was zero racism in India prior to British contact, and I think that's a tall ask. https://www.bu.edu/cura/files/2018/11/VF_new15914.pdf is but one source suggesting there was plenty of precolonial racism.Jeszjesz (talk) 09:49, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Singapore
Any thoughts on creating a section on racism in Singapore? I thought that sections on discrimination against malays, indians, imported domestic labour, housing policy, immigration policy etc might all be worthy sub-sections of the section on Singapore. 124.254.121.189 (talk) 23:33, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

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Requesting permission to edit the Japan section
The Japan section mentions that many war crimes commited in Japan where caused by anti-American and anti-Sino settlements. However from what i've heard many of these war crimes were commited due to how soldiers were trained as mentioned here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Japanese_Army#Fanaticism_and_war_crimes

I am aware that racism in Japan was a problem then and to a degree it's still a problem now, but when it comes to researching racism let's focus on racism please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Graylandertagger (talk • contribs) 14:31, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Alright no suggestions against the change. Please speak if your against it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Graylandertagger (talk • contribs) 14:40, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Confusing Title
The title of this article, "Racism in Asia," appears to be either misleading or incorrect or too narrow. The "Racism" in the title doesn't cover many of the subjects, which include everything from racism to ethnic discrimination to religious discrimination to gender discrimination to casteism. The "Asia" in the title also seems inaccurate, misleading or too narrow, because the article also includes Israel, Russia, and Iran. Is "Asia" here defined as "everything east of Poland"? (99infosponge88 (talk) 16:55, 27 January 2012 (UTC))


 * Israel and Iran are indeed in Asia. Russia, while being obviously an European country, also has lots of land in Asia. --Ahyangyi (talk) 10:18, 19 May 2014 (UTC)


 * The OP makes a valid point about the article's title leading to inevitable confusion as it has been common knowledge for years in the Anglophone community that only white people can be racist.92.237.196.75 (talk) 00:50, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

RfC
An RfC: Which descriptor, if any, can be added in front of Southern Poverty Law Center when referenced in other articles? has been posted at the Southern Poverty Law Center talk page. Your participation is welcomed. – MrX 17:12, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Cleanup, rewrites
I'm in the process of going through each section, seeing what's in the sources, and removing anything unsourced. This is an extremely sensitive topic, and we need to scrupulously source everything we include. It's going to take a while, since this is a lot of careful reading. I'm sure there must be thousands of other sources we could use, so other editors are welcome to re-add material so long as the info is sourced. However, in cases where there are country specific articles, we should provide just a template, and a short summary of the other article. Qwyrxian (talk) 12:58, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Malaysia
The entire entry addressing racism in Malaysia has been deleted. While the prior entry was certainly flawed, the is ample evidence of racism in this state. I am not Malaysian, but have an interest in race politics there. I am a complete retard with respect to editing wiki, though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.168.234.38 (talk) 05:11, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I believe major parts of the article, including the section on Malaysia, were removed because they were unreferenced. With such a controversial subject, references are quite necessary. You are certainly welcome to revive the section if you can reference the points you make. If you are unfamiliar with editing practice, you can start with WP:TUTOR or WP:HOW. Michitaro (talk) 05:48, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

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"People"
"This conflict goes back to when India was first partitioned into West Pakistan and East Pakistan when citizens of today's Pakistan dominated the original Pakistani government. Between 300,000 and 3 million "people" were killed during the 9-month-long conflict in 1971.[166][167]" Why are there air quotes around "people" here? This feels like someone attempting to assert that victims of genocide weren't human; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_genocide. I'm a bit new to this so would like to apologise in advance if this is not how these queries are supposed to be handled.
 * , thanks for pointing that out! I removed the quote marks.


 * I tracked down the edit, and it was introduced at Special:PermanentLink/912474730. That was the only revision in the edit, so it seemed unnecessary. You can definitely request changes like this in the future, too; you can also edit the page directly on your own (anyone can contribute to Wikipedia). I left some info about getting started on Wikipedia on your talk page. palindrome§ǝɯoɹpuᴉןɐd 07:05, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

"Racism in Nepal" listed at Redirects for discussion
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