Talk:Racism in the Arab world

Requested move 2 December 2023

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 10:58, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Racism in the Arab world → Arab racism – the current title is a prime example of WP:WEASEL, the article is clearly about racism by Arabs. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:49, 2 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Oppose. I don't see how this is a case of WP:WEASEL. The current title is clear, reasonably neutral, and in line with titles of similar articles. Some of the types of racism discussed are not necessarily exclusive to ethnic Arabs, so there's no need to imply that kind of scope restriction. The proposed title is more vague and is likely elicit more, not less, POV contention. R Prazeres (talk) 19:09, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: I mean, the broader problem is that pages such as this are racist. Using the "Arab World" as a catch-all, ethnically defined geography to make mindless generalizations about social trends across what is a vast and socially diverse region is itself highly racist: it's a racistly framed page about racism. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:53, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose: Per R Prazeres's point. Skitash (talk) 20:03, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose the proposed name change, would possibly support another name change. I agree mostly with what Iskandar323 said, but also feel it is important to add that changing the name to "Arab Racism" would make the issues presented by them even worse. By calling the article "Arab racism" it would even further just associate these issues with Arab people generally and not demonstrate that these are large scale, societal issues. I definitely think there is a way to write an article about how race is viewed within different cultures/communities without it giving off the wrong impression, but framing it as "racism by [group of people]" certainly is giving off that wrong impression. I do think the phrase "Arab world" in this title is not the best one to use either, but I also think changing it to just Arab racism is a further step in the wrong direction. Also important to note that there is a way this article can be rewritten to acknowledge that these issues vary widely across different Arab communities, and at the very least, the current title could possibly allow for that distinction (yes it's still presented as one big topic of "racism in the Arab world", but, the article could demonstrate that racism in the so called "Arab world" isn't the same all across". Presenting it as "Arab Racism" really simplifies it down to one group of people perpetuating one type of racism. Also just leads to confusion since the title Arab racism could be misunderstood as racism against Arab people. So overall, I could possibly support another proposed name change, but definitely cannot support this one. Sillypilled (talk) 21:50, 3 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Oppose This move is something of a minefield. It is one of a number of articles grouped under "Racism by region", but the others are all e.g. Racism in the United States. PatGallacher (talk) 01:20, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose: the suggested name is not precise enough. I feel like it could be unclear whether it's referring to racism by Arab people or racism against Arab people.  Bait30   Talk 2 me pls? 21:37, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

POV coatrack
This page is just a racistly framed WP:COATRACK. What possible cause is there to discuss racism at the level of the entire Arab World -- a vast and socially diverse geography -- other than in an attempt to racistly generalize about an entire region on the basis of one, very limited aspect of ethic identity? Racism is best discussed at a societal or community level; this is neither, and just tends towards the addition of coatrack content about isolated grievances related to racism is individual countries in a way that gives rise to no coherent, unified topic - precisely because it isn't a coherent, unified topic. Iskandar323 (talk) 20:11, 2 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Just some thoughts:
 * I suspect many of the "Racism in (...)" articles have similar problems, even without an ethnic term in the title, simply because they assume it's useful to discuss everything labelled "racism" in one place, which is arguably not justified: some types of racism are definitely related, others less so, some need a lot of additional context, etc. Trying to do that over a more or less arbitrarily defined region further compounds the problem with what Iskandar323 describes above.
 * There are various real issues mentioned in the article that can be discussed responsibly, but I don't see why they can't be discussed in more specific articles instead, if they aren't already. This is just roughly speaking, but for example:
 * Specific ideologies often have their own articles; e.g. Arab nationalism could include criticisms of the ideology, including (but not limited to) those relating to racism, if it doesn't already.
 * Specific types of racism or discrimination are often easier to discuss on their own. E.g. Antisemitism in the Arab world already exists, though I'm sure it faces its own challenges, and anti-black racism is real in the region and has its own history and related issues, but it doesn't need to be specifically framed as "Arab".
 * Some issues are specific to socioeconomic environments in certain countries; e.g. the treatment of migrant workers in the several Gulf countries is at least partially covered in various articles like Foreign workers in Saudi Arabia, Human rights in Qatar, Kafala system, etc. It could still have its own overview article, if desired.
 * Another way to have an overview article touching on a lot of issues in one region, if desired, might be something like "Human rights in (...)" or "Social justice in (...)", whose purpose can simply be to summarize different socio-political issues and link to relevant main articles. It doesn't have to be specifically racism, and it can also include discussion of ongoing attempts to fix the problems rather than only listing problems. R Prazeres (talk) 23:22, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Antisemitism is racism
Arab racism page have to deal with this issue too 2A00:1F:9880:7101:657C:5179:5334:CCB9 (talk) 16:27, 25 December 2023 (UTC)