Talk:Radagast/Archive 1

White Council
The article incorrectly states that Radagast was a member of the White Council. In fact the Silmarillion lists the members: Elrond, Galadriel, Cirdan and other Lords of the Eldar, Mithrandir (Gandalf) and Curunir (Saruman) - no mention of Radagast. As Saruman's companion he gave him aid in his role on the Council, but he was not himself a member. I'm going to amend the article to reflect this. Considering he was a wizard his omission might seem strange, but the picture Tolkien paints is of a wizard with considerably less powers than Gandalf or Saruman and one with no understanding of politics or war. Clearly it was felt he wouldn't have been much use on the Council. Neelmack (talk) 20:55, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

I think a more likely explanation is that the compressed account in the Silmarillion was based on writing done before Radagast's role in LOTR was written or envisioned. He was excluded from the list because he didn't really exist (apart from the reference in 'The Hobbit') when the initial conceptualization of the White Council was formulated. I agree that he shouldn't be referred to as a member of the Council since it is nowhere stated that he was. I can't recall Tolkien addressing this in any of his "letters." But I'd wager that after LOTR was published, Tolkien probably considered Radagast a minor member of the Council.169.253.4.21 (talk) 16:23, 13 May 2008 (UTC)TexxasFinn

Radagast in adaptations
I interpreted the associations as: Any thoughts? --Thisisbossi 06:40, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Radagast commanded the moon moth, as Radagast's background with wild (particularly winged) creatures and association with Yavanna indicate he may have had such capabilities; and of course his close friendship with Gandolf might indicate that he would use a small (difficult to detect) creature to keep watch over his friend. Sure enough, such a small creature just happens to appear in Gandalf's time of need.  I believe the moth was operating for Radagast rather than being Radagast himself, as one would think Saruman would be able to detect another wizard's presence.
 * The Eagles, associated with Manwë, would have likely been independent actors whom agreed to assist after being notified by Radagast/moth.

Yes, you need to read the books. There is no "moon moth," that's just a device in the films; a rather lame one too, I might add. I really doubt Jackson and company gave it antwhere near as much thought as you suggest. It's just a plot device they thought would be cool. 169.253.4.21 (talk) 16:27, 13 May 2008 (UTC)TexxasFinn

The current version of "Adaptations" seems to have been expanded by a rather angry Tolkien purist: "All the scenes in which Radagast appears are a complete Peter Jackson fabrication for the movie ... [Radagast discovering Sauron] is in marked contrast to Tolkien's version, in which Gandalf had gone to Dol Guldur 91 years earlier and learned its secret, so that the White Council, including Saruman and Elrond (and presumably Radagast), had known for over 90 years that "the Necromancer" was Sauron, by the time Bilbo went to Erebor with the Dwarves. Jackson's The Hobbit trilogy moves this discovery nearly a century forward in time and totally changes the facts of how it was made."

I was actually the first to add a description of Radagast's role in the Hobbit movie, and while I as well noted the differences, I don't think we need to angrily accuse Jackson of falsifying "historical facts". This is fiction, remember? The wording above gives away fairly obvious indignation.

Gandalf's own expedition to Dol Guldur, and the postitive identification of Sauron, will apparently follow in the next movie. Yes, the chronology is contracted; obviously Jackson wants to show these important events onscreen. But the movies exist in their own universe, distinct from the books. The article may well comment on the differences, but let's avoid language suggesting that the writer is upset and insulted by Jackson's "fabrications". Fauskanger (talk) 11:23, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Anglo-Saxon
The article says that "the name Radagast may actually be Anglo-Saxon". This doesn't make much sense to me; the statement in UT makes it clear that the name Radagast is ("actually") Adunaic. Considering this and the rather dubious nature of the speculation (rad = rudu is a bit of a stretch) I suggest that this paragraph be deleted. Aiwendil42
 * Curiously enough, there is a Slavic god with an identical name. --217.172.29.4 (talk) 13:26, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Surely the etymology as currently given (viz. 'In the real world, Radagast or Rodogast is extant as a variant of Radagaisus, the name of a Gothic warlord who led an invasion of Italy in 401') is wrong: the second element is different,being cognate with guest. Alarichall (talk) 06:17, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 23:27, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Radegast
Wouldn't it be worth linking somewhere to Radegast, the Slavic god? Mingusboodle (talk) 04:30, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:45, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Radagast (Middle-earth) → Radagast the Brown — Or, alternatively, simply Radagast. The disambiguation is not required as this article is the only one titled "Radagast"; the hatnote is sufficient to direct users looking for the similarly spelt Radegast and other pages listed on Radegast (disambiguation) (all spelt with an "e"). The Celestial City (talk) 00:17, 1 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Support move to Radagast, which is currently a one-way DAB, the only other meanings listed there being spelled instead Radegast, see Radegast (disambiguation). Agree hatnote is sufficient. Andrewa (talk) 03:05, 1 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Support Alternative spelling template would suffice. Carl Sixsmith (talk) 06:29, 1 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Support move to Radagast.. Mhiji (talk) 05:05, 2 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Support move to Radagast with hatnote/something is ideal. Barring that, WP:PRECISION says: "If there is a natural mode of disambiguation in standard English ... use that instead" so I prefer Radagast the Brown over Radagast (Middle-earth). ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 16:02, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Agree. Radagast the Brown is an improvement if disambiguation ever becomes necessary. No change of vote. Andrewa (talk) 14:40, 5 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Support per Erik. 4u1e (talk) 17:28, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Radagast in LOTR
It says in the intro that Radagast "appears" in LOTR. As I recall, Gandalf tells a story about him, but he does not appear per se. Am I mistaken? 38.111.35.2 (talk) 14:36, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I had this argument about Saruman being in The Fellowship of the Ring. You can see the result here, this conversation was pre my name change GimliDotNet ( Speak to me,  Stuff I've done )  14:45, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

I would rather say that all these names/ heard or read/ somewhere by this autor is a sort of Talkienism. Always familiar to every one but always attached to some sort of odd talkiens languages explaind by weird way.

Um, yeah, whatever. As to the first comment, you are correct. Radagast appears in Gandalf's account of his whereabouts that he delivers during the Council of Elrond. It was Radagast who found Gandalf on the Road just outside the Shire and who summoned him to Isengard. Apart from this "flashback" vignette, there is only one other reference to Radagast in LOTR, a little later in the same chapter. That's it. The role was greatly expanded in the Jackson "Hobbit" films. I can only imagine what Tolkien would have thought of the adaptation. 109.103.81.34 (talk) 10:34, 2 October 2016 (UTC)Vainamoinen


 * I have reworded the text to reflect this. It should be made clear that Radagast appearance is in Gandalf's account. The hobbits never meet him, which is important as the LOTR is basically told from the point of view of the hobbits involved (except when Aragorn, Gimli, and Legolas are chasing Merry and Pippin).--Jack Upland (talk) 06:46, 4 August 2019 (UTC)