Talk:Radyr/GA1

GA Review
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 * Starting GAreview.Pyrotec (talk) 11:48, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Initial review
This article is fairly close to GA level, but it needs additional work to bring it up to that level. As I consider that this is achievable, I will put the article On Hold.

The main problems, as can been seen below, is lack of WP:Verify; and in one case, where verification was provided, the statement was contradicted by the in-line citation.

I intend to leave any comments upon the WP:Lead until last, but it is inadequate as it stands.


 * Stone Age until the Norman Conquest -
 * Stone age articles found at Lesser Garth Cave - so what, this is the only mention of Lesser Garth Cave? Is it in Radyr?
 * It's located just outside Morganstown. I've added a small note clarifying this.
 * ref needed for final sentence.
 * Used ref 2 for this. I've also updated the reference with an online PDF version which should help verify some facts.


 * Origin of the name
 * I checked ref 3 for both "tref" and "Aradur Hen", but did not find a match!
 * My inital searches have also drawn a blank. I've deleted that reference for the time being - also, ref 2 covers this subject so this paragraph is still referenced.


 * Norman occupation until the Middle Ages -
 * There is some ambiguity in the grammar over the timber palisade, is it surrounding the Motte, the bailey, or both?
 * According to the source, it appears it's just the motte. I've amended the text to suit.
 * Web ref 5 is a broken link.
 * There was a mention of a dungeon on the site's front page. However, I've replaced this ref with a more acceptable news source.
 * Ref 6, is this compliant with WP:verify?
 * Probably not. I've replaced this with a more reliable book reference.


 * Tudor legacy -
 * Mostly unreferenced.
 * I've added some more reference points. If I can find a further source I'll include this as well.


 * Stuart period
 * Mostly unreferenced.
 * Done.


 * Development from the 18th Century
 * Second, third and fourth paragraphs unreferenced.
 * Last paragraph. Population increases unsupported and contradicted by ref 12. Paragraph claims "but after Radyr railway station opened in 1863[11] the population doubled.[12]". From ref 12 - 472 people in 1861, 422 in 1871, 519 in 1881, 619 in 1891!
 * Last sentence unreferenced.
 * All fixed now.


 * Wartime Radyr-
 * Does the "nearby" military hospital have a name?
 * Yes, I'm pretty sure it was the Welsh Metropolitan Military Hospital in Whitchurch.


 * Community Council -
 * Unreferenced.
 * Done


 * Radyr Weir -
 * Mostly unreferenced, but second paragraph needs citations. Note: It appears to have been taken from Ref 16, but is not cited.
 * Refs added.


 * Radyr Woods Nature Area -
 * Only first and last sentences are referenced. Note: It appears that Ref 17 & 18 may have been used, but are not cited.
 * I found another reference to add to this, and rearranged the existing refs to suit the text.


 * Religious sites -
 * Web ref 30 is a broken link.
 * Fixed that ref and tidyed itup a little, but the second paragraph will probably need expanding.


 * Sports and recreation
 * Web ref 31 is a broken link.
 * Fixed.


 * Rail -
 * Entirely unreferenced.
 * This is a major problem as the first sentence's claim certainly needs verifying, and so far I can't find a reference for this. I've added some more to the rest of the section.
 * The sentence about Radyr stone is an exact duplicate of a sentence in Geological structure.
 * I've removed this as it was totally unecessary for this section.


 * Scope / History-
 * History stops at WW II, some 65 years ago; yet Radyr is now listed in the lead as an outer suburb of Cardiff. There is no mention of when and how Radyr stopped being a village and started being a suburb of Cardiff.Pyrotec (talk) 15:01, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Additional comments
Hi! Just some additional comments: Hekerui (talk) 19:52, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * the subsection "Development from the 18th Century" needs more referencing
 * the subsection "Entertainment and media" has italic script gone wrong. - ✅.Pyrotec (talk) 22:39, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * left-aligned images should not be placed at the start of subsections

main review
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria


 * 1) Is it reasonably well written?
 * A. Prose quality:
 * B. MoS compliance:
 * 1) Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
 * A. References to sources:
 * B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
 * C. No original research:
 * 1) Is it broad in its coverage?
 * A. Major aspects:
 * B. Focused:
 * 1) Is it neutral?
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) Is it stable?
 * No edit wars, etc:
 * 1) Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
 * A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
 * B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass or Fail:
 * 1) Is it stable?
 * No edit wars, etc:
 * 1) Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
 * A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
 * B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass or Fail:
 * B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass or Fail:
 * Pass or Fail:

Progress has been made been made in addressing the missing citations highlighted, above bu progress appears to have halted. I'm failing the article for lack of citations. The article can of course be resubmitted for WP:GAN once these problems have been addressed.Pyrotec (talk) 13:02, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Addressing comments
Apologies for the delay - major rush at work coupled with a dodgy server has meant very little Wiki time. However, I'm finally going to make a start on addressing your comments now (assuming my server doesn't conk out on me, as it appears to be doing right now). Bettia  (bring on the trumpets!)  08:48, 15 April 2009 (UTC)