Talk:Rafał Gaweł

Notability?
I am not sure if the subject is notable. Ping User:Staszek Lem for a second opinion. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 05:35, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * rm notability tag: added recent NYT ref, meaning case started gaining international publicity. IMO WP:GNG satisfied. Also, it is not WP:SINGLEEVENT. Staszek Lem (talk) 16:59, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Precedence
by introduced the claim by the Guardian that this was the first case of a Pole being granted political asylum since the fall of the PZPR; while  by  cited the this Canadian Refugee Board URL in the edit summary as an argument against. The URL is a credible source, and states that 6 people were given political asylum for having been persecuted in Poland, but it doesn't state their nationalities. Nevertheless, I think it's justified to remove the sentence from the lead to the Political asylum section, and I'm not convinced it's worth restoring in the body of that section. The NYT source itself says that Norway gave one other Pole asylum in the preceding year, so multiplying by the number of EU member states and the number of years since 1989, and given the Canadian 2013 count of 6 people getting political asylum in Canada due to persecution in Poland, the Guardian's Observers say is about as WP:WEASELly as "Analysts say".

I did. Boud (talk) 18:53, 16 July 2024 (UTC)


 * First of all, thanks for reverting all of my edits. Now, the guy in the article is a convicted man. When he asked for the cancellation of his case, the polish supreme court decided to call that demand "unsubstantiated" (source:https://serwisy.gazetaprawna.pl/orzeczenia/artykuly/8112727,sn-kasacja-aktywista-rafal-gawel-oddalona-bezzasadna.html). Here you go, so, is removing the source from the police record justified? Not sure. In the NPOV section, I've read that "generally, do not remove sourced information from the encyclopedia solely because it seems biased". If you were to elaborate on that, I'd be greatful (I'm still pretty new to editing the English wiki). Oeleau (talk) 15:34, 17 July 2024 (UTC)


 * This section is about the question of precedence: was Gaweł's status as an EU citizen persecuted in one EU member state receiving political asylum in an EEA country a rare event/precedent? Your edit on this was more or less justified, but with the nuances above, so I re-did it in a slightly different way. My impression is that there is probably convergence in editing on this point. Boud (talk) 16:44, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

WP:BLP
WP:BLP overrides WP:NPOV. It is generally difficult to justify the encyclopedic relevance of adding those sorts of personal details to an article, and given the context of democratic backsliding in Poland during 2015–2023 and the decision of the Norwegian authorities, adding personal identifying information to this article on a person persecuted for human rights activism in an unfair trial (per the Norwegian authorities) is extremely unlikely to be accepted in the Wikimedia community wikis, including the Wikipedias. If you disagree with WP:BLPPRIVACY, "With identity theft a serious ongoing concern, many people regard their full names and dates of birth as private" or if you disagree with WP:BLPPRIMARY, "Exercise extreme caution in using primary sources. Do not use trial transcripts and other court records, or other public documents, to support assertions about a living person. Do not use public records that include personal details, such as date of birth, ...", then please propose changes to the policy on the talk page over there. Boud (talk) 16:44, 18 July 2024 (UTC)