Talk:Rafael Nadal

Three titles on three different surfaces in a calendar year
The first time this occurred for approved Major tournaments was in 1913 - Anthony Wilding: Wimbeldon, WHCC, WCCC (also meets the claimed 3 consecutive titles on 3 different surfaces [for Majors]). If this is interpreted as being for the four national championships then it was only effectively able to have been accomplished from there being three different surfaces e.g. 1978 (US Open adopting are courts) so it i non-Sensis like trying to accord a date of 1877 for this purpose. Same issue for the following '1877' record.

Lead is laden with subjective language that violate Wikipedia principles
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view

"Nadal has dominated men's tennis" 'Nadal became one of the most successful teenagers" "Nadal made a stellar return in one of the greatest comeback seasons of all time in 2013" (this one is especially egregious) "He continued his dominance" "As a vigorous left-handed player, one of Nadal's main strengths is his forehand, which he hits with extremely heavy topspin at difficult angles." "He is one of the best at breaking serve"

Among many, many other issues with this lead. Assuming a child wrote this section. Divergence5 (talk) 02:06, 24 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Yikes. This reeks of pettiness from a Djokovic fan.  There are no falsities in the above descriptions of Nadal nor are they too wordy or irrelevant.  That he dominated is not a matter of subjectivity.  He DID and has the results to back it up.  He WAS one of the most successful teenagers.  Again, he has the accomplishments to prove it.  He was voted the Comeback Player of The year as well as the ATP Player of The Year for 2013.  In fact, it WAS a stellar return and one of the great comeback seasons.  It's not up for debate unless you're ignorant, a troll, or your sensibilities are out of whack.  A problem with the word "vigorous" being used to describe Nadal?  This is a joke.  The man is known for his high levels of energy, his endurance, and his fighting spirit.  The RPMs for Nadal's topspin have been measured, have they not?  Nobody else hits with anywhere near the amount of topspin, correct?  And there sure are a lot of shots hit at difficult angles in his matches.  I believe ATP statisticians (and likely others) have researched Nadal's success at breaking serve.  If he has consistently been one of the best, then there's nothing wrong with that one, either.
 * I'm all for factually incorrect statements being removed and providing sources.
 * Additionally, lazy people with short attention spans have no business commenting on the length of Wikipedia pages. No one is forcing you to read any of them.  Some of us enjoy Wikipedia for the amount of information. 2600:8800:4197:7600:FC1F:78AF:BF64:6AF (talk) 20:55, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Page just got tagged as too long.... and it is.
I used to think the Roger Federer's article was too long at 327k bytes (83k prose). Now I see Djokovic is at 467k (124k) and this article is at 475k (137k prose). Ridiculously long to be sure. Things that are said in two sentences can easily be said in one. He has yearly articles that take up the detail yet still the sections are long. Rod Laver is 30k prose, Pete Sampras is 34k prose. Steffi Graf is 44k prose. There seems to be no discipline in adding info to some of these articles. Even Serena Williams article is too big at 112k prose. I guess it's a mentality that since we can find more info we must add more info to an encyclopedia. Michael Jordan has 59k prose and Tom Brady has 90k prose. George Washington has 95k prose. I think we can find a lot of fat to trim to keep some of these from becoming War and Peace novels. Fyunck(click) (talk) 05:05, 13 December 2023 (UTC)


 * And it is all thanks to me, haha.


 * But now seriously, you need to take into account a thing called "recency bias". Modern people have bigger wikis, not only in tennis, but everywhere. If Jordan was from this generation, his wiki would most likely be three times bigger.


 * But yeah, I might have exaggerated sightly. I mean, Nadal is currently the biggest wiki page for an human being (ahead of Boris Johnson).


 * Kind regards. Barr Theo (talk) 05:18, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * And there really shouldn't be recency bias. We have WP:RECENTISM to try and keep things in a historical perspective. What you should be doing is perhaps expanding those older players a bit and trimming Nadal articles. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:56, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I intend to wait until all the Big Three have retired and then make a serious effort at reducing their wikipedia pages down to readable sizes (not only the Big Three, there are other modern players too). I believe part of the problem is that whilst players are active, some editors feel the need to list every result and elaborate on every minor point.  There are many things listed in these articles that have little relevance in hindsight.  If other editors object, I will launch an RfC about it.  It is pointless doing it until all Three have retired as new minutiae will be added after each match whilst they are still playing. Tennishistory1877 (talk) 10:46, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I stopped by to look for some data on Rafael Nadal and could't get through all the nonsense. Agree totally with you that these bios are far too long. I only got through Rafa's "Early life" section and it is full of myths and untruths and is in desperate need of editing. Unfortunately, I don't know how to do that but would be happy to assist someone that does. Shokpo (talk) 07:45, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * This article is currently 22870 words, so per WP:TOOBIG guideline, it should absolutely be shortened. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:12, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 May 2024
Remove "including prominent personalities like Tom Hiddleston, Olivia Colman and Hugh Laurie.[541][603]" from 'Personal life'. This is incorrectly referenced, the three people were not guests at the wedding, they filmed a TV program at the location. RedScamp (talk) 20:54, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 23:55, 27 May 2024 (UTC)