Talk:Raffles stories and adaptations

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Fair use rationale for Image:Raffles gibraltar.JPG
This sentence seems to be a bit unclear: "As Holmes has Dr. Watson to chronicle his adventures, Raffles has Harry "Bunny" Manders — a former schoolmate saved from disgrace and suicide by Raffles, who persuaded him to accompany him on a burglary." You get the impression that it was Bunny persuaded Raffles and not vice versa. Might the sentence not be clearer and more grammatically to the point thus: "As Holmes has Dr. Watson to chronicle his adventures, Raffles has Harry "Bunny" Manders — a former schoolmate saved from disgrace and suicide by Raffles, whom Raffles persuaded to accompany him on a burglary."? ps —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.95.5.211 (talk) 19:35, 21 June 2009 (UTC) Image:Raffles gibraltar.JPG is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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The case of the two Raffles, gentleman thieves
Is there any connection between this Raffles, gentleman thief, and Raffles (Lord_Lister), also a gentleman thief? If not, that's rather surprising given the similar names and occupations. In any case, no matter what the (lack of) connection is, I think it'd be good if both articles made some notice of the other Raffles. Martijn Faassen (talk) 01:00, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Indeed there is, the other Raffles started out as a cash-in on the popularity og the gentleman thief, similarity of name, and in #253 of the Dutch series it is revealed that he took his name from Hornung's creation: Mind you, in the Lord Lister-universe our spin bowler was named John C. rather than Arthur J. How much about this should be put in this article?


 * I think you should put something in the article of the cash-in, and a smaller mention in the article of the original. Martijn Faassen (talk) 00:16, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Not without reliable sources, please. The joker who titled this addition "Avatars" is flying way wide of the mark, and must explain in what way these are to be considered "avatars".  They are not digital avatars, nor are they the incarnations of Hindu deities.  Other claims made in the same section are equally dubious, like linking the name "Lord Lister" to an actual person born in 1827 who cannot by any stretch of the imagination be considered as "based on" or "inspired by" a fictional character created nearly 70 years later.  The entire section should be removed until such time as someone with adequate communication skills, common sense and proper sourcing can construct a less ridiculous contribution. 12.233.146.130 (talk) 00:14, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Bad sentence
This sentence is slightly misleading: "As Holmes has Dr. Watson to chronicle his adventures, Raffles has Harry "Bunny" Manders — a former schoolmate saved from disgrace and suicide by Raffles, who persuaded him to accompany him on a burglary." You get the impression that it was Bunny who persuaded Raffles and not vice versa, as was the case. Might not the sentence be clearer and more grammatically to the point thus: "As Holmes has Dr. Watson to chronicle his adventures, Raffles has Harry "Bunny" Manders — a former schoolmate saved from disgrace and suicide by Raffles, whom Raffles persuaded to accompany him on a burglary."? ps —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.95.5.211 (talk) 19:44, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed (after almost two years!) Lessthanideal (talk) 14:42, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

stage productions
Anyone have any detail on stage productions? I gather (from a reference in a John Dickson Carr novel, "The Witch of the Low Tide") that Raffles was a hit on stage in London of 1905. -- Doom (talk) 01:48, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

A similar question from me! I know there was a stage production in 1913 or so, at the Wyndhams Theatre. ixo (talk) 19:46, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Merge with Inspector Mackenzie
Suggest not - the article on Raffles the character is long enough already. Adding Inspector Mackenzie will only add to the length and be tiring to read. Besides, Inspector Mackenzie is not Raffles - so why would he be in an article about Raffles? ixo (talk) 19:53, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose merge As per the above. True, the McKenzie article isn't a very good one, but that's probably because he's not a notable enough character. Rather than having a McKenzie article—or merging the McKenzie information here—we need something that covers the whole Raffles universe, into which some of the McKenzie could be moved. - SchroCat (talk) 11:04, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree with you both and suggest that we split the current page, which combines content specifically about the character with content about the stories in general; splitting them along these lines would be consistent with other articles about fictional characters and their stories. We can then integrate Mackenzie into the latter. I will start working on this unless there are strong objections.
 * I could use help with the naming. The page about the character is easy "A. J. Raffles (character)"; but I'm struggling to find a precedent for the other. The stories aren't all united by a single official name, but I'm leaning towards either "A. J. Raffles" (the current page name) or maybe "A. J. Raffles stories"; "A. J. Raffles (book series)" seems to be technically incorrect, if true in spirit. Input would be appreciated. --Morphovariant (talk) 18:16, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Raffles on factualworld.com
Hello. As I was completing the character-specific content split, User:MadmanBot noticed that the content I moved from this page to the new character page, A. J. Raffles (character) looks copied from http://www.factualworld.com/article/A._J._Raffles. And that would include most of the content on this page as well. Since this page has a history of incremental edits, I'm wondering if the copy didn't happen from the other direction. I have left a message with the Help Desk to advise. --Morphovariant (talk) 21:48, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Help Desk confirmed that factualworld.com is copying content from Wikipedia, not the other way around. Notice removed from the character page. --Morphovariant (talk) 21:59, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Citation Work
Hello. I believe I've cited everything I could. I'm going to go ahead and remove the unreliable citation template. Four entries remain un-cited: Thanks much. --Morphovariant (talk) 03:06, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * 1) Inspector Mackenzie. If someone more familiar with the stories could note which of the books supports his bio, that would be helpful. Each of Hornung's books have already been added as citations, "cracksman" "mask" "thief" and "justice"
 * 2) The last paragraph in Plot. This might be unencyclopedic?
 * 3) Raffles (1975) TV Film. I can't find a reliable source to verify this film. Allmovie doesn't cover TV movies, Amazon doesn't sell this title, IMDB is not considered a reliable source. Any ideas?
 * 4) The Gentleman Thief (2001) TV Film. ditto.