Talk:Ragga jungle

Bollocks
Much as I like the ragga jungle, this article is fatally flawed. When jungle began seperating from hardcore/rave, there was no such thing as ragga-jungle. All jungle was jungle and there was no distinction or little distinction between jungle tracks. Nobody called jungle with ragga vocals "ragga-jungle". The term "ragga-jungle" is a definition thought up to differentiate the ragga vocal sound of drum and bass/jungle from mainstream drum and bass, after ragga vocals were abandoned by most producers. Calling Rebel Mc or Shy Fx ragga-jungle in 1991-1995 is a distortion of history. North American producers creating ragga influenced drum and bass/jungle may like to think that they are the rightful heirs of a style that existed in 1991 but back in the day, there was no ragga-jungle. Most jungle producers "back in the day" are now drum and bass producers to those who bother to clearly differentiate the styles.

Apart from the mistake in calling the 1991-1995 style ragga-jungle, it is an abuse not to recognise that drum and bass and ragga-jungle are difficult to differentiate, which is worth at least a mention that some view ragga jungle as a subgenre of drum and bass.

--Dustek 20:39, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree
the first line of the article is truly off the mark.

"Jungle" begat "Drum and bass"; which later splintered into sub-genres as the music gained popularity and technology improved.

It would have been difficult to make "Ragga-jungle" without high-speed internet access to the singers / accapellas / breaks, and the processing muscle needed to time-stretch tracks to fit the bpm. Some people may indeed have recorded singers and produced tracks in this style 'back in the day', but not enough to actually describe it as a sub-genre at that time. Now, anyone with a cheap pc and a modem can mash it up, and the number of producers working this way has increased enough to put this sub-genre on the map.

To me "Ragga-jungle" has always described the two main parts of this sub-genre: "ragga" : reggae/dancehall vocals "jungle" : old-school sound palette for making the music ie: classic breaks, laser beams, sirens, lick shots, etc...

RCola 05:23, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry RCola, you seemed to have missed Jungle the first time around. A lot of top Carribean MC's were on Jungle tracks live, no internet required.

Raggacore redirect?
Nothing on this page even mentions Raggacore, other than the "derivative genres" section in the side-box. Why, then, does Raggacore redirect to this page? Fraxtil (talk) 03:03, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Completely agreed, raggacore should redirect to the breakcore article, where it should have its own paragraph, I'll get it started.Seeofseaof (talk) 19:24, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Revival
Jungle is back, as a kick in the face to Dubstep. The Amen is back in again and big man MCs like Rebel MC and Jungle labels are doing increasingly well in the UK with club nights appearing in all the big cities Manchester Birmingham Sheffield Leeds Nottingham, London and in Dublin Glasgow Edinburgh and Cardiff too. A new generation of Jungalists are born and we need to represent them in this sparse article.

Sound Clash Mentality
Whoever threw this fancy phrase, what in the world does it mean? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.215.61.234 (talk) 17:50, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Lads
This article is a mess. --170.52.83.124 (talk) 23:16, 28 April 2020 (UTC)