Talk:Rahovec/Archive 1

The Name
If sombody have UN acceptit evidence that the name of the city is not Rahoveci but is Orahovac, then this articel must be unter the name: Rahoveciand the page named "Orahovac" must be redirect. My evidence you kann see in UNMIK oficiale page and documentation.--Hipi Zhdripi 00:28, 9 April 2006 (UTC)


 * The territory is under temporary UN administration, as ruled in the Resolution 1244 (1999), adopted by the United Nations Security Council on 10 June 1999, where the UN reafirmed its commitment to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (and its sucessor state, the Union of Serbia and Montenegro, after the country changed its name). Therefore, it is not up to the UN to invent new geographical denominations. I also like to remind you that this is English language wikipedia, so please make sure your contributions are up to standard regarding syntax and spelling, together with the use of commonly recognised geographic denominations. Regards, Asterion 12:50, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

We are an independent Nation so theirfor need an change off our wrong name !! Xonilatifi25 (talk) 02:08, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Unitet Naticion Law in Kosovo
The user of the city names in English Language (newer version from the UN liable pilari in Kosovo for such think ) The original page of the Law (1. in albanian L., 2.Serbian L.) -
 * 1) http://www.osce.org/kosovo/13982.html
 * 1) http://www.unmikonline.org/regulations/unmikgazette/03albanian/A2000regs/RA2000_43.htm
 * 2) http://www.unmikonline.org/regulations/unmikgazette/04serbian/SC2000regs/RSC2000_43.pdf

The UN Law in Kosovo says that the only oficele name are the names presentit in >A< every thinks als is out of Law. This is for albanian language. RREGULLORe NR. 2000/43 UNMIK/REG/2000/43 27 korrik 2000 Mbi numrin, emrat dhe kufinjtë e komunave --- Përfaqësuesi Special i Sekretarit të Përgjithshëm, Në pajtim me autorizimin e tij të dhënë me rezolutën 1244 (1999) të datës 10 qershor 1999 të Këshillit të Sigurimit të Kombeve të Bashkuara, Duke marrë parasysh Rregulloren nr. 1999/1 të datës 25 korrik 1999, të ndryshuar, të Misionit të Administratës së Përkohshme të Kombeve të Bashkuara në Kosovë (UNMIK) mbi autorizimin e Administratës së Përkohshme në Kosovë dhe Rregulloren Nr. 1999/24 të datës 12 dhjetor 1999 të UNMIK-ut mbi ligjin në fuqi në Kosovë, Me qëllim të qartësimit të numrit, emrave, shtrirja dhe kufinjve të komunave para mbajtjes së zgjedhjeve komunale në Kosovë, Shpall sa vijon: Neni 1 Numri dhe emrat e komunave Kosova ka tridhjetë komuna ashtu siç figurojnë në Tabelën ‘A’ të kësaj rregulloreje. Komunikimi zyrtar nuk përmban asnjë emër për ndonjë komunë i cili nuk figuron në Tabelën ‘A’ të kësaj rregulloreje, përveç që në ato komuna ku komunitetet etnike a gjuhësore joshqiptare dhe joserbe përbëjnë një pjesë substanciale, emrat e komunave jepen edhe në gjuhët e atyre komuniteteve. Neni 2 Shtrirja dhe kufinjtë e komunave Shtrirja e çdo komune dhe kufinjtë e tyre skicohen nga zonat e tyre përbërëse kadastrale. Zonat kadastrale të cilat përbëjnë çdo komunë figurojnë në Tabelën ‘B’ të kësaj rregulloreje. Neni 3 Zbatimi Përfaqësuesi Special i Sekretarit të Përgjithshëm mund të lëshojë direktiva administrative në lidhje me zbatimin e kësaj rregulloreje. Neni 4 Ligji i zbatueshëm Kjo rregullore mbulon çdo dispozitë në ligjin e zbatueshëm e cila nuk është në përputhje me të. Neni 5 Hyrja në fuqi Kjo rregullore hyn në fuqi më 27 korrik 2000. Bernard Kouchner Përfaqësuesi Special i Sekretarit të Përgjithshëm The UN Law in Kosovo says that the only oficele name are the names presentit in >A< every thinks als is out of Law. This is for serbian language. UREDBA BR. 2000/43 UNMIK/URED/2000/43 27. jul 2000. godine O BROJU, IMENIMA I GRANICAMA OP[TINA Specijalni predstavnik Generalnog sekretara, Shodno ovla{}ewu koje mu je dato Rezolucijom Saveta bezbednosti Ujediwenih nacija 1244 (1999) od 10. juna 1999. godine, Na osnovu Uredbe br. 1999/1 od 25. jula 1999. godine Privremene administrativne misije Ujediwenih nacija na Kosovu (UNMIK), sa izmenama i dopunama, o ovla{}ewima Privremene uprave na Kosovu i na osnovu Uredbe UNMIK-a br. 2000/24 od 12. decembra 2000. godine o zakonu koji je u primeni na Kosovu, (hier is oficele user) U ciqu razja{wavawa broja, imena, oblasti i granica op{tina pre odr`avawa op{tinskih izbora na Kosovu, Ovim objavquje slede}e: Clan 1 BROJ I IMENA OPSTINA 1.1 Kosovo ima trideset opstina kao sto je dato u Tabeli A u dodatku ovoj Uredbi. 1.2 Zvani~na komunikacija ne mo`e da sadrzi bilo koje ime za opstinu koje nije naziv odredjen u Tabeli A ove Uredbe, osim u onim opstinama gde etni~ke i jezi~ke zajednice, koje nisu srpske i albanske ~ine znatan deo stanovni{tva, gde se imena op{tina daju i na jezicima tih zajednica. Clan 2 PODRU^JA I GRANICE OP[TINA Podru~je svake op{tine i wene granice su ocrtane wenim sastavnim katastarskim zonama. Katastarske zone koje ~ine svaku op{tinu su odre|ene u Tabeli B prilo`enoj u dodatku ovoj Uredbi. Clan 3 PRIMENA Specijalni predstavnik Generalnog sekretara mo`e da donese administrativno uputstvo u vezi sa primenom ove Uredbe. Clan 4 ZAKON KOJI JE U PRIMENI Ova Uredba zamewuje svaku odredbu zakona koji je u primeni a koja nije saglasna sa wom. Clan 5 STUPAWE NA SNAGU Ova Uredba stupa na snagu 27. jula 2000. godine. Bernar Ku{ner Specijalni predstavnik Generalnog sekretara tabel of contens >A< TABELA ‘A’ (alb) RASPORED A (ser.) Emrat e komunave (alb.)IMENA OPSTINA (serb) Albanski Srpski 01 Deçan \Decani 02 Gjakovë \Djakovica 03 Gllogovc \Glogovac 04 Gjilan \Gnilane 05 Dragash \Dragas 06 Istog \Istok 07 Kaçanik \Kacanik 08 Klinë\ Klina 09 Fushë Kosovë\ Kosovo Polje 10 Kamenicë \Kamenica 11 Mitrovicë \Kosovska Mitrovica 12 Leposaviq \Leposavic 13 Lipjan \Lipqan 14 Novobërdë \Novo Brdo 15 Obiliq \Obilic 16 Rahovec\ Orahovac 17 Pejë\ Pec 18 Podujevë\ Podujevo 19 Prishtinë \Pristina 20 Prizren \Prizren 21 Skenderaj\ Srbica 22 Shtime\ Stimqe 23 Shtërpcë\ Strpce 24 Suharekë\ Suva Reka 25 Ferizaj \Urosevac 26 Viti \Vitina 27 Vushtrri\ Vucitrn 28 Zubin Potok \Zubin Potok 29 Zveçan\ Zvecan 30 Malishevë\ Malisevo

If sambody have a argument Im waitting. In another cases you are going to interpret the dokumets (you are out of UN Law) and you dont have argumet, you dont work for Wikipedia but are destroing the Wikipedia image. I know that my english is not so gut, but a desinformation is not gut for Wikipedia and for the peopel in Kosovo. You can have a problem with "Haage". This tabel is speeken better then I.--Hipi Zhdripi 21:02, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

No argumet
'''No argumet!!! please dont inteprete the documents '''

Sombody have putit this Kosovo place in Serbia stub or category or template here with out argumet. We dont have a argumet that Kosovo is part of S/M. We have tha Constitution of this countrie but we have the rez. 1244 wich is more importen for the Wikipedia and is saying that Kosovo it is a part of Yougoslavia and is prototoriat of UN. Till we dont have a clearly argument from UN, aricel about Kosovo must be out of this stub or category or template. Pleas dont make the discution with intepretation or the Law wich are not accordin to 1244. Everybodoy can do that but that is nothing for Wikipedia.--Hipi Zhdripi 05:05, 17 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Kosovo Serb enclaves in Serbia???????????????--Hipi Zhdripi 18:50, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Unitet Naticion Law in Kosovo and Wikipedia
Before two years, I have presented the argument. In thate time it was clear, thate, Serbia with or without Kosovo, is going to be part of Europe Card for citys names. And Europ Card for citys names (komuna) is adopted from Kosovar Govermend. My dier friends in English Wikipedia, you are maken not a litel problem, but with all information, you are changen the oficial names of the citys in Kosovo.

You have taket the Serbial Law or some imagenedet rouls, als more importen thane UN Law. English Wikipedia is not working/existing under the Serbian Law, but under UN Law. Don´t be wondering if somebody is acusing the English Wikipedia for anti-UN propaganda and "spaming" desinformation to the internet iusers.

The mandat of UN in Kosovo is hight livel thane Serbian Law - witch since the UNMIK is in Kosovo, dont exist anymore for Kosovo.


 * 1) You are working agains the Kosovo Law
 * 2) You are working agains the Europen Card for city names
 * 3) You are working agains the UNMIK - Law
 * 4) You are working agains the UN - Law

The LAW of Kosovo, Eropen, UNMIK and UN, thate I have presented here before two years nobady diden respect.

Becose of this I acuse you for desinformations and working aganis this LAWS, and with you works here you are helping to destabisate the sitution in Balkan. DON SAY THAT YOUR HANDS ARE CLEAR, DONT BE PART OF PROPAGANDA WITCH MOTIVAT THE PRIMITIV PEOPEL, PLEASE REPECT THE UN - LAW

THE SYS. AND ADMINISTRATORS OF ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA HAVE RESPOSIBLITI TO STOP MAKEN WIKIPEDIA AS PART OF PROPAGANDA WITCH MOTIVATE PRIMITIV PEOPEL.

SINCE 2 YEARS, ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA WITH NOT RESPECTING THE UN LAW, IS HELPING IN DESTABILSATION OF THE BALKAN REGION. - Hipi Zhdripi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.70.183.85 (talk) 00:33, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Arraveci?
To Antidiskriminator: Just to clarify, I did not add the name to the article - i found it on the article and assumed it was correct, so edited the article to include the name. Where did 'Arraveci' from? Has someone just made up this name and put it on the article (as, like you, i can't find any results on google)'. Dirifer (talk) 16:27, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for this clarification. There is a rule on wikipedia that editors should not use wikipedia as source for their edits in order to prevent spreading of the mistakes.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 21:38, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed
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Requested move 28 May 2022

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: moved. There is no consensus on whether the Serbian name is more common in English, the Albanian name is more common in English, or there is a tie. But as Excine pointed out, the tiebreaker prescribed under WP:NCGN in case no common name in English can be determined is to use the local name. Since this town is predominantly Albanian-speaking, the Albanian name is to be used. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 17:06, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Orahovac → Rahovec – Rahovec 822 Orahovac 800. The name Rahovec is the most common name and it is also the most used by its citizens. Ahmet Q. (talk) 13:06, 28 May 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 03:43, 29 May 2022 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Support as per the reasoning provided by nom.Alltan (talk) 21:13, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Strong Support its the official and most common name. Iaof2017 (talk) 21:24, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose for now, the argument presented is entirely unconvincing – the difference between 800 and 818 results on Scholar is not enough to be remotely significant. For comparison, on JSTOR: Orahovac 142, Rahovec 48; on EBSCO: Orahovac 66, Rahovec 25. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:20, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Support There is no common name in the English language, yet one is far more prevalent than the other. These matters are addressed by WP:NCGN. : "If no name can be shown to be widely accepted in English, use the local name" The local population is almost entirely Albanian. In addition, there are WP:OFFICIALNAMES. The official name used by local authorities in all official papers is Rahovec in Albanian (the Serbian one Orahovac is used only in some documents). This is how prior Kosovo disputes were resolved. The majority-Albanian localities have Albanian names, whereas the majority-Serbian places have Serbian names. Excine (talk) 23:30, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Relister comment Relisting due to a mistake in the requester's signature (namely, the date being erroneously written as May 3 instead of May 28) that accidentally placed this request in the backlog. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 03:45, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Support its the most common name Truthseeker2006 (talk) 13:26, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Rahovec is widely used in English sources. Anyways, in cases where a common (with a large margin) English name is not clear, then per WP:NCGN the local name should be used. Also WP:OFFICIAL applies. Durraz0 (talk) 21:27, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:NCGN and WP:OFFICIAL. Besides, this would be consistent with the overall pattern of settlement names in Kosovo, as already pointed out by Excine. Uniacademic (talk) 22:54, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Support as per nom.  Bes-ART Talk  05:23, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The filer offered two arguments, both of which are wrong. First, they claimed that The name Rahovec is the most common name, but the Google scholar search shows that both names are equally common. Second, that the proposed name is the most used by its citizens. This is, of course, irrelevant, as Wikipedia does not use local names, but the names most common in English literature. Google Ngram viewer shows that Orahovac has been more common in English literature for the last 100 years.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  08:17, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose I'm not convinced that Orahovac isn't the WP:COMMON NAME. As Justlettersandnumbers pointed out, the results on Google scholar show Orahovac is used at about the same frequency as Rahovec but other digital libraries use Orahovac much more. As Vanjagenije's ngram analysis shows, Orahovac has been used a lot more over the last two decades. It has slimmed down in recent years and Rahovec might very well overtake Orahovac in the future but in the meantime I would say it's a case of too soon. --Griboski (talk) 14:08, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Given the negligible numerical difference in results. ElderZamzam (talk) 01:14, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Per Vanjagenije & Griboski. Ничим неизазван (talk) 15:16, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: I have checked "The Concise Dictionary of World Place-Names", an Oxford Quick Reference Online by John Everett-Heath, 4th edition; Oxford University Press, 2018, ISBN 0192562436. There the names of the town are described in the following sequence: Rahovec, Kosovo (Orahovac). Derived from the Serbo-Croat "orah" 'walnut'. The present name, adopted after Kosovo's independence in 2008, is merely the Albanian version of the previous Serbian name. Jingiby (talk) 16:39, 3 June 2022 (UTC)