Talk:Raiders of the Lost Ark/Archive 1

Photo
If I take a photograph with my own camera, of a copyrighted image on the cover of a videotape -- then am do I own the copyright of my photograph? May I include my photograph on a website?

Or, does the copyright of the original image deny me the "right" to "copy" by photographing it?


 * Ed, this has been talked to death already. Please see eg Wikipedia talk:Copyrights. --Brion 16:30 Sep 10, 2002 (UTC)

It'd be cool if there was a page on, or at least mention of, the adaptation made buy those kids. Here's the closest thing the project has to a website: http://www.theindyexperience.com/raiders_adaptation.shtml

Template
Hi folks, Max Terry has reverted the Spielberg template back to the vertical format, which I think gives too much white space on either side of the box. Could we please reach a consnsus at Template talk:Steven Spielberg's films. Cheers, The JPS 21:40, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Title
No!! No no no no! The film was, and is, called Raiders of the Lost Ark, and that should be the title of this page. Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark was just a re-title for the release of the video boxset to fit in with the TV series. Look on IMDb or any other source, or on the film itself come to that, and you will see. It's a really simple thing to get right. JW 23:45, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Trivia
"In the classroom scene near the beginning of the film, a male student leaves an apple for Professor Indiana Jones among the crowd of adoring female students." Why is this worth mentioning under "trivia"? Pfalstad 19:11, 6 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Because it's trivial? I agree that I don't see the significance of that item.  Trivia sections like the one for this article tend to become dumping grounds of unimportant/uncited/unassimilated info. --Mrwojo 06:42, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Sallah
They make an article about Brody but not Sallah? What is up with that? AllStarZ 02:39, 15 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Done. -Dark Kubrick 21:03, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Casting "trivia"
The new "trivia" regarding the casting of Harrison Ford as Jones should be integrated into the Production section, where it is already mentioned... but with conflicting details. Anyone have a cite for either "the actor they both became keen for was Tom Selleck" or "Raiders was conceived by Paramount Pictures as a star vehicle for Tom Selleck"? --Mrwojo 06:12, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

THere is no negative criticism.
I have just watched this film, and was flabberghasted by how bad it was. There must be records of negative feedback from some reputable source regarding this picture. This is a disgracefully fanboyed article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Macca7174 (talk • contribs)
 * Well, there's not a lot of critisim going around, truth be told... ....(Complain)(Let us to it pell-mell) 08:44, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. -TarenCapel 05:39, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Obscene links removed
I noticed that someone had vandalized this page with what appeared to be pornographic links. (For obvious reasons, I did not confirm their contents.) I removed them. It may help to keep an eye on this page in case in case the vandals return.

EDIT: After further investigation, it appears the vandal has the IP address of 69.31.93.226. Reviewing this anonymous user's history reveals a habit of interting inappropriate links into several articles.

Inclarity
The line, "The Washington exterior was a pick-up, as the film was to finish without any closure to Marion." makes really no sense at all. I also lack the comprehension to edit it. Can anyone clarify it? -TarenCapel 05:41, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it means that the scene on the footsteps of the building in Washington was not originally going to be in the film, but that it was later added to explain what happened to Marion (and so we could see Indy "get the girl.") 67.171.163.212 01:22, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Merge note
I placed a merge tag on Gobler because the character only merits one line, melts at the end, and will never have an article bigger than a stub. If someone wants to create a "Minor characters from the Indiana Jones films" list, that would be more appropriate, imho. Her Pegship 04:30, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. Note that he's actually the guy who drives off the cliff during the truck chase. I can't think of much more to say about him. --Mrwojo 20:43, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Translation
I would be very interested in seeing a translation of teh Hebrew prayer spoken over the ark by Belloq at the end. The last line sounds something like "Shus ba kan", but I could be wrong. -Husnock 09:16, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Origins Info
Perhaps someone (other than me, spent too much time doing wiki things today as it is LOL) can find a source for the following bits of trivia that could added to the conception subhead: Raiders is the second time Lucas was involved in a project that grew out of not being able to work on an existing franchise (Bond in this case). He started Star Wars when Universal would not let him redo Flash Gordon.

Additionally, he has said in interviews that he went on vacation in Hawaii after seeing the initial mobs for Star Wars and realized he needed to get out of town to escape the imminent madness and found that he & Speilberg were staying at the same hotel (Speilberg taking a break from Close Encounters). RoyBatty42 22:10, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

UK PG rating
I seem to recall that, just as Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom ushered in the PG-13 rating in the US, the British PG rating was created in response to the first film, Raiders of the Lost Ark. However, I can't find specific sources to confirm it. Any ideas? Kelvingreen 16:42, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd be surprised. The UK PG rating came into existence over a year after the release of Raiders. Have you got it confused with Batman?, which was the first film to get a 12 in the uk. - X201 16:02, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Casting
On the DVD extras, Spielberg attests that Danny DeVito was his first choice to play Salah, but couldn't get out of his commitment to his TV show (presumably "Taxi" also produced by Paramount). He had just seen Shogun and was impressed by Davies who he thought had a flair of Falstaff about him.

Also, Karen Allen's two screen tests were with Tim Matheison and John Shea. RoyBatty42 10:30, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Flubs, goofs and other trivia
In addition to the cobra reflection already mentioned, there are two other highly visible goofs in the film: the guy in T-shirt & jeans behind Jones while he morns Marion and the trench Terry Leonard lay in to be pulled under the truck. A few trivia items that could be worked into the article include: RoyBatty42 17:56, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * In the "South American" sequence, a Kookaburra can be heard which is native only to Australia and New Guinea.
 * There is a "Wilhelm scream" used in the film (as in most Lucasfilm/ILM projects).
 * The truck gag with Terry Leonard came about because Leonard wanted to finally pull it off successfully after failing to do so on The Legend of the Lone Ranger (1981 film) (both he and Lucas mention this as the inspiration for the stunt being in Raiders)
 * The plane in the opening is IDed as "OB-3PO" - for "Obi Wan Kenobi" and "C-3PO" from Star Wars.

Hovito Idol
Is there a reference for the idol in the beginning being called the Hovito Idol? Is there a ref for any of the information in that article? ColdFusion650 21:50, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Poster image
Well, we can't have two because that would just be decorative. I prefer the latter image, and unless anyone objects, I will change it. Alientraveller 11:49, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I like having both of them. I think they are sufficiently far apart as to not appear cluttered. ColdFusion650 13:07, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Production/Development
The line about the Hindenburg is the makingofthetrilogy ref. Don't think production should be split into two sections. Instead of Development and Production, I think there should be one Production section with subsections, like before. ColdFusion650 13:15, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I personally like it. There is so much about how Indiana came to be as well as the making of the film I thought it would be better to split it and study stuff like filming, effects and editing in one coherent section. Alientraveller 13:17, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, but convention holds a lot of weight. From what I've seen, in most film articles, Casino Royale for example, it's one section with writing included. And I would say that the development of the character and writing the script are inherently part of the production of the film. ColdFusion650 13:22, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

"They're more like guidelines anyway". I mean, not all production sections are the same: V for Vendetta and Jurassic Park are different to Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back. Alientraveller 13:26, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Also, the studios acquiring of the concept has little to do with writing. Alientraveller 13:39, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, I still think it's better as one section, but do what you will. ColdFusion650 14:29, 30 May 2007 (UTC)