Talk:Rail transport in the United Kingdom/Alternate naming schemes

Please add new schemes if those below do not suit you, remembering always that we need to move to consensus someday. Please vote for the Current & Historic scheme that suits you, and comment on any and all of the schemes.

Plan A

 * Rail transport in Great Britain - current situation on the main island,  big pointer to Rail transport in Ireland for NI current situation
 * Rail transport in Ireland - current situation in NI & IÉ
 * Rail transport in the Republic of Ireland - redirect ot rail transport in Ireland
 * Rail transport in England - Redirect to Rail transport in Great Britain
 * Rail transport in Northern Ireland - Redirect to Rail transport in Ireland
 * Rail transport in Scotland - Redirect to Rail transport in Great Britain
 * Rail transport in Wales - Redirect to Rail transport in Great Britain
 * Rail transport in the United Kingdom - page explains current situation is split between two linked pages: Rail transport in Great Britain & Rail transport in Northern Ireland


 * Votes For
 * Duncharris 12:11, Apr 24, 2004 (UTC)
 * &mdash;Morven 15:19, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * James F. (talk) 14:40, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * Timrollpickering 20:37, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * John 14:16, 30 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Professorbiscuit 00:34, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Your_user_name


 * Comments
 * I prefer this, except that there should be a rail transport in the United Kingdom like plan 1 below for the history. This keeps it consistent with the history and with a country-level definition that can go into the rail transport by country page, a similar situation to that in the list of national parks, where England and Wales are treated differently. Duncharris 12:11, Apr 24, 2004 (UTC)
 * I've amended the list since your vote to feature the link I think you wanted; please confirm you're still happy. --Tagishsimon 12:15, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's better. For Ireland, I've added a redirect requirement for the Republic to the whole island. Duncharris 12:36, Apr 24, 2004 (UTC)
 * This does not appear to be the current situation.Bobblewik 00:43, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * I think this makes most sense, and would be more logical than the other suggestions. John 14:16, 30 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Would vote for this plan if last item read:
 * Rail transport in the United Kingdom - page explains current situation is split between two linked pages: Rail transport in Great Britain & Rail transport in Ireland
 * (avoids needless redirect from Rail transport in Northern Ireland) -- Picapica 11:48, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * Please indent comment to this level; a tidy page is a happy page.

Plan B

 * Rail transport in the United Kingdom - current situation GB & NI, and big pointer to Rail transport in Ireland
 * Rail transport in Ireland - current situation in IÉ & NI. (I think it inevitable that RTII will always cover IE & NI. YMMV)
 * Rail transport in England - Redirect to Rail transport in the United Kingdom
 * Rail transport in Northern Ireland - Redirect to Rail transport in the United Kingdom
 * Rail transport in Scotland - Redirect to Rail transport in the United Kingdom
 * Rail transport in Wales - Redirect to Rail transport in the United Kingdom
 * Rail transport in Great Britain - Redirect to Rail transport in the United Kingdom


 * Votes For
 * Zoney 11:28, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * G-Man 11:56, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)


 * Comments
 * Involves duplication: first two items both cover NI -- Picapica 11:48, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * Please indent comment to this level; a tidy page is a happy page.

Plan C

 * Rail transport in the United Kingdom the nation state
 * Rail transport in Ireland - the nation state
 * Rail transport in England - Redirect to Rail transport in the United Kingdom
 * Rail transport in Northern Ireland - Redirect to Rail transport in the United Kingdom
 * Rail transport in Scotland - Redirect to Rail transport in the United Kingdom
 * Rail transport in Wales - Redirect to Rail transport in the United Kingdom
 * Rail transport in Great Britain - Redirect to Rail transport in the United Kingdom


 * Votes For
 * Bobblewik 14:28, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * Your_user_name


 * Comments
 * Same as Plan B except that the top level concept is division by nation state. See how the reference to Ireland has changed. There may be references within each page to how rail is connected to neighbours. There may be references within each page to how rail was arranged when the borders of the nation state different. This is the same situation as there is with other nation states whose geopolitics have changed over time such as the United States, Germany, Poland, France etc.

Plan 1

 * History of rail transport in Great Britain - main island history, pointer to History of rail transport in Ireland for NI history
 * History of rail transport in Ireland - Railway history of pre-1922 Ireland (was part of UK), Irish Free State, Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland.
 * History of rail transport in Northern Ireland - #redirect History of rail transport in Ireland
 * History of rail transport in the United Kingdom - page explains history is split between two linked pages: History of rail transport in Great Britain & History of rail transport in Northern Ireland


 * Votes For
 * Zoney 11:35, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * Duncharris 12:06, Apr 24, 2004 (UTC)
 * &mdash;Morven 15:16, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * James F. (talk) 14:43, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * Timrollpickering 20:36, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * John 14:16, 30 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Professorbiscuit 00:34, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Your_user_name


 * Comments
 * IÉ stands for Iarnród Éireann. Second page desc. should read, 'IRL in UK, IFS, ROI and NI'. (pre-1922 Ireland in UK, Irish Free State, Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland) - Zoney 11:35, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * Not sure I follow the second bit of this comment ... if the description on Plan 1 is wrong, would you mind amending it so we're clear what we're supporting / not supporting. thanks - --Tagishsimon
 * I don't agree with a concept that does not start with current nation states. Bobblewik 00:38, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * Would vote for this plan if last item read:
 * History of rail transport in the United Kingdom - page explains current situation is split between two linked pages: History of rail transport in Great Britain & History of rail transport in Ireland
 * (avoids needless redirect from History of rail transport in Northern Ireland) -- Picapica 11:48, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * Please indent comment to this level; a tidy page is a happy page.

Plan 2

 * History of rail transport in the United Kingdom - GB & NI history
 * History of rail transport in Ireland - island or ireland history
 * History of rail transport in Northern Ireland - #redirect History of rail transport in the United Kingdom
 * History of rail transport in Great Britain - #redirect Rail transport in the United Kingdom


 * Votes For
 * Your_user_name


 * Comments
 * Please indent comment to this level; a tidy page is a happy page.

Plan 3

 * History of rail transport in the United Kingdom the nation state
 * History of rail transport in Ireland - the nation state
 * History of rail transport in England - Redirect to History of rail transport in the United Kingdom
 * History of rail transport in Northern Ireland - Redirect to History of rail transport in the United Kingdom
 * History of rail transport in Scotland - Redirect to History of rail transport in the United Kingdom
 * History of rail transport in Wales - Redirect to History of rail transport in the United Kingdom
 * History of rail transport in Great Britain - Redirect to History of rail transport in the United Kingdom


 * Votes For
 * Bobblewik 14:28, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * Your_user_name


 * Comments
 * Same as Plan 2 except that the top level concept is division by nation state. See how the reference to Ireland has changed. There may be references within each page to how rail is connected to neighbours. There may be references within each page to how rail was arranged when the borders of the nation state different. This is the same situation as there is with other nation states whose geopolitics have changed over time such as Germany, Poland etc. (Incidentally, the reference in Plan B to UK & NI is wrong because NI is part of UK).