Talk:Rainbow Range (Chilcotin Plateau)

Re maps
Hi Black Tusk; even though there's now a location map, that still doesn't mean the reqmap is no longer needed; the location map is very vague, and frankly I don't like the Regional District blanks as a way to chart things, especially mountain ranges; see Bendor Range or Clear Range for the ones I made, or there's a similar seriies by Organiemensch on pages like Tsawwassen First Nation. Or look at the satmaps I used for Monashee Mountains and Vancouver Island Ranges. Further to macro-scale maps like those, closeups of the range and its surroundings are all worthwhile and much more illustrative than "here's a point on a map with some artificial administrative lines on it that are irrelevant ot the real landscape...".Skookum1 (talk) 22:57, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll have to look up the source satmaps for you; they're fine detailed enough that closeups are possible; not in the Commons, maybe on my resources sandbox, I'll look. In the meantime this is in Wikimedia Commons; there are others covering the whole Pacific Northwest, and in different scales larger and smaller; know I've seen 'em, have to dig 'em up.Skookum1 (talk) 23:10, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. The Rainbow, Ilgachuz and Itcha Ranges probably need a map similar like one on the Monashee Mountains article. On Image:Monashee Mountains2.jpg you can see the Rainbow, Ilgachuz and Itcha Range at the top-left corner but I think they are too small on that map for that map to be included in the Rainbow, Ilgachuz and Itcha Range articles. I think that's a good image for making maps for those three ranges, just make the image larger and make three maps for those three ranges. If there's going to be maps made with that image there's no need for highlighting simply because the Rainbow, Ilgachuz and Itcha Ranges lie out of nowhere. Black Tusk 23:15, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I just got back in and haven't looked for my map resources page, which has the NASA source photos I used for that and others like it; the cropping is optional, another cropping or a different image might have an even better image of the Rainbow area, and like I said it's possible one will be small enough scale that it will be possible to map the range and some of the surrounding Chilcotin and Nazko Country/Nechako Plateau and Coast; likewise for the coastal icefield articles including Mount Silverthrone/Ha-Iltzuk Icefield and the Homathko Icefield and Lillooet Icecap and whatever else, Clendenning Range etc. I just havent' had the time (been on the road) and right now don't have a mouse suitable for mapping lines with (I have a laptop with thumbpad only, and also getting shaken down on Mac versions of various types of software, e.g. imaging programs for making these satphotos into maps....).  Anyway, I'll be back with a link to all kinds of goodies; I'll have to remember where the relief-style images are (like the one of BC-relief.png); I think it was User:Qyd who turned me onto them, but it's been a long time.  Easier to find the sat photos, and better too....one thing, though, don't forget to use contrast/brightness on them, they can be dark at first but don't have to be....usually there's more than one option though, i.e. more than one image...Skookum1 (talk) 05:14, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

OK, here ya go: which is a subsandbox of User talk:Skookum1/BC&PacificNorthwestHistory. Browse the sat photo section in the first link; there'll be something; and then at its source page, i.e. the NASA source page, there'll be a big-big size rendition, where you can find close-ups even closer than what's already available, in most cases. Cloud cover and lighting's an issue; but that area's semi-barren so should show up pretty good. I have to go rescue my porridge and eggs....later.Skookum1 (talk) 05:28, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * User talk:Skookum1/BC&PacificNorthwestHistory/MapResources
 * I had a quick look, this one has snow cover, but it's interesting in that it shows the relief as a result, i.e. surrounding the Itcha-Ilgachuz/ zoom in on it, and you have to scroll around; or download and save it locally and view it in an imaging program where you can zoom in and out; I'll maybe crop a Wiki-size version of it and you can fiddle with it from there.  This one is not clear around the Rainbow Range, but you might find a cutaway of the Level Mountain Range/Meszah Peak and the Tuya Range to be useful; the snow cover helps visibility....this is a freaky shot of frozen Tagish and Atlin Lakes; can't remember if there's any volcanoes immediatley there - Mount Minto right?  Must be on there somewhere, again a cutaway, then label mountains, town locations, draw in roads maybe...this one is stretched on a strange angle but might be good for a Rainbow Range location map....I'm hunting through them for another one than the winter one, know I saw one, summer green/dun.......another winter shot, not as clear as the other Meszah Peak area one - oh here's a real good one for Meszah...maybe this one for Rainbow Range but I don't like the little cumulus....that must have been the one I thought I saw; I'd go for the winter one anyway; with less snow you don't see the range, just the isolated Itcha and Downton "clumps".  If you don't know how to crop and resize or whatever, aaargh I don't have time for a tutorial.  One thing - when you re-upload any adjusted versions there's an image template for NASA images; maybe I should put all these in the Commons come to think of it; or cropped and resized for certain regions; that winter one is a great illustration for thingsl ike the Liard River basin or the Taku-Inklin-Sheslay and Tagish-Jennings-Rancheria areas, and all the northern ranges; one of them might be good as a location map for the Edziza-Iskut area.....OK I'm gonna eat my porridge now and go to bed.Skookum1 (talk) 05:54, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know too much about map making so I won't bother making them. The image here with the Level Mountain Range also includes Heart Peaks; the small narrow mountain range west-northwest of the Level Mountain Range. I removed the reqmap from the Tuzo Wilson Seamounts and other volcano articles because I added the location map; I don't think you can make a map for features underwater right? The Tuzo Wilson Seamounts are two young submarine volcanoes between Vancouver and Queen Charlotte Islands Black Tusk 16:23, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Flickr image; what Rainbow Range "route"?
What route?? Some individual's personal odyssey? This is not a proper illustration; the same image without joe-blow's hiking route would be OK; I'll see if I can get GoogleEarth to cough up.....Skookum1 (talk) 23:46, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know what the route is. I just found the image on flickr and uploaded it on Commons because I thought it could be useful. When I uploaded it from flickr the description said nothing but "Rainbow Range route". Black Tusk 00:26, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * There's a Rainbow Range trail on that vancouverisland.com page I ref'd on anotehr page - Tsitsutl's??Skookum1 (talk) 15:49, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I just looked at that vancouverisland.com page and it could be the Rainbow Range Trail. Black Tusk (talk) 16:07, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Range vs Mountains
Just to note, as I think I did osmewhere else, that all small ranges which were styled "Mountains" at one time were revised to "Range" at some point, I think because of Holland's analysis and terminollogical system, where "Mountains" is reserved only for top-tier range groupings. Hence Boundary Range/Boundary Mountains, Camelsfoot Range/Camelsfoot Mountains and many others now/then pairings. The old name still has a BCGNIS ref and could/shoudl be linked as I have here with Rainbow Mountains.Skookum1 (talk) 15:49, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thought of adding its former name because I seen it mentioned on the vancouverisland.com page. There's also a Rainbow Mountains page. Black Tusk (talk) 16:07, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify when I added the BCGNIS ref the way I did, it was because I'd googled "BCGNIS Rainbow Mountains" and just looked at the link, not the title; I'd thought it was the "Rainbow Mountains (rexcinded)" but there isn't one of those...but if you BCGNIS "Cameslfoot Mountains" you WILL find that in its pre-changed form with "rescinded" attached, and in other cases also e.g. Boudnary Range/Boundary Mountains. I'll amend the link as it doesn't need the "template dab"....Skookum1 (talk) 03:58, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Worth noting that not all small mountain groups styled "Mountains" were revised to "Range" because the Heart Peaks were also originally known as the "Heart Mountains".  Volcano guy  19:23, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

time to change the dab - Rainbow Range (Chilcotin Plateau)
The dab was my fault in the first place; in the popular imagination these are part of the Coast Mountains but in formal geography theyr'e on the Chilcotin Plateau; much as the Tahtsa Ranges or Howson Range are part of teh Hazelton Mountains and not the Coast Mountains as in some popular write-ups. The dab should be Rainbow Range (Chilcotin Plateau) but I thought it better to discuss it here than just do the move.....Skookum1 (talk) 00:03, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure. Black Tusk (talk) 00:30, 27 May 2009 (UTC)