Talk:Rainbow nation

Article Rewrite
I have completely re-written this article and conformed to a NPOV. This should end Alcatel's extremely racist POV writing. I have also posted a warning on his user page, any further transgressions on his part will lead to his being banned. Please let me know what you think of the re-write. Incidentally, I'm looking for interested parties to rewrite farm murders and boer states, two other racist entries by Alcatel.

Ssteedman 09:50, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

As with so many other Afrikaner and South Africa related articles created by User:Alcatel this is article is written in a totally POV manner with his own opinions inserted into the article. It also contained the derogratory term "kaffir", which I have removed. Elf-friend 10:09, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

non-bias definitions.
I have tried to find a proper and neutral definition of the word Rainbow-nation, not flawed by the bitternes of white oldtimers, colloured by their bias. I also put up at link to a page i found quite serious. If somebody has a more neutral definition please change it. I am not south african and am not into the details. But I personaly do not think we should tolerate rightwing extremist views here, and therefore i will not hesitate to change it again. --Doctors son 16:59, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Indeed, the current section about "sugar coating" is obviously written with a POV. In my experience there is more to Rainbowism than propaganda to sugar coat problems. It is a hope that really does live amongst most people. True, the current situation is troubled and the politics of succession are marring the inter-racial solidarity but this does not detract from Tutu's statement or the hopes and belief this "ism" encompasses. Wikipedia should be wary of cynical editors pushing their crime ridden view of "black" south africa, theirs is not the full story.

The American Dream
The contrast of The American Dream vs. Rainbowism has been discussed at length in social and philosophical circles, and has earned mention in both Manto and Kronin, hence its inclusion into this article.

Stuart Steedman 11:25, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Stuart - can you please cite your sources for that statement. Can you please provide full referencing for the Manto and Kronin publications, and add a 'ref' tag to the statements. I don't have an issue with the comparison of Rainbowism and the American Dream, it's really the statements "Perceptions of escalating crime rates in the country and a perceived weakening economy" that I have an issue with. The economy of South Africa is actually growing quickly; is there support somewhere for the statement that South Africans perceive their economy as weakening? I understand that South Africans perceive crime to be increasing (although it has actually moderated), I can provide you with a source for that if you would like. Cheers, Jason Lionchow - Talk 12:04, 26 September 2006 (UTC )

I changed six to four, and colours to colors
The original statement said the flag supported "six near rainbow colors". White and black are NOT in the rainbow, never have been in the rainbow, and never will be in the rainbow. They are also not "near" any other color in the rainbow.

The colours to colors thing was aesthetically more pleasing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.225.22.126 (talk) 00:36, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

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