Talk:Rajasthani languages

Merge?
I have followed User:N-true's suggestion and proposed that this page be merged with Rajasthani languages. The two articles cover identical material.

"Rajasthani languages" page can be merged with this one but NOT vice versa. As "Rajasthani" is the language of Rajasthan NOT LANGUAGES.


 * I agree please merge but I am not expert enough to do it, expert will need to do it. Goldenrowley 23:42, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Is "Rajasthani" an actual standardized literary form, or is it just the sum of the various dialects spoken in Rajasthan? This ought to be made clear. john k 20:12, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

--115.118.242.53 (talk) 17:03, 14 December 2011 (UTC)==Rajasthani language template== If you are a native speaker of Rajasthani then you can help translate this template into your own language:

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--Amazonien (talk) 05:15, 20 January 2009 (UTC) i knw diz language vry well.... u hav provided wrong information......

Relation to Hindi
According to the Hindi Heartland article, Rajasthan falls within the "Hindi Belt". How exactly are they related? --Maurice45 (talk) 19:04, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The state of Rajasthan accepts Hindi as its official language. From the point of view of linguistics, there is a distant relation between Rajasthani language cluster and the "core" Hindi languages- Western Hindi and Eastern Hindi languages in that both the groups belong to the Central zone, and even that is somewhat disputed as some classifications put Rajasthani along with Gujarati into a separate 'Western zone'. Maquahuitl talk! 04:41, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually when india got freedom, a question of national language was raised by nationalists. now india had several regional languages and non of them was understood by all indians. so it was decided to make hindi as the official language. Rajasthani language at that time was considered as the dialect of hindi. Moreover to show that hindi linguistic groups count for more than 40% of indian population, several languages were dubbed as hindi. Unfortunately Rajasthani language has been neglected and no real efforts have been made to promote it or even preserve it. May be in near future we see some changes in attitude of Indian Government. --Onef9day (talk) 10:45, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Factual errors in the article.
In the article section Rajasthani language, a number of dialects have been listed. But in the 2001 census of India, they consider these languages as different. Of course, they may have considerable similarities but I don't think its factually correct to group them into one, unless the government does so. And much of the links used to cite the article are dead, or does not contain anything related to the article. Major rewrite required. &mdash;  Fιnεmαnn  (talk) 23:42, 6 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I think the issue is that some people self-identify as "Rajasthani" speakers, while others identify with their particularly dialect (Marwari, Bagri, etc.). I suspect the Indian Census is write-in for mother tongue, or at least has a write-in option. In fact, all of these dialects under Hindi by the Indian government, as you can see in the census data (they have 400, 000 for the dialects they consider Hindi, and then they break it down to self-identification with particular "boliyan" or dialects).saɪm duʃan Talk|Contribs 06:11, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Rajasthani loka sahitya mem viraha prakrti aura bhakti (1900)
Rajasthani loka sahitya mem viraha prakrti aura bhakti (1900)

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Better writing and academic sources needed
Parts of this article reads like individual users making subjective claims. That is contrary to policy, regardless of whether the claims are accurate or not. Rajasthani's relationship to Hindi needs to presented factually, based on good academic sources, and providing all relevant points of view. Jeppiz (talk) 12:47, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Regarding ancient mention of the term "Rajasthani"
The History section of this article states that "The Vasantgadh Inscription from modern day Sirohi that has been dated to the 7th century AD uses the term Rajasthaniaditya in reference to the official or maybe for a poet or a bhat who wrote in Rajasthani." However, the Epigraphia Indica vol. 9 article regarding this inscription only refers to a "Rajasthaniya Adityabhata", with the term "Rajasthaniya" subsequently defined as title for a foreign secretary and Adityabhata being a personal name. This is quite an old article, but unless there has been a more modern reinterpretation of this inscription it would be incorrect to indicate it as an ancient mention of a "Rajasthani language". Mysteriw (talk) 03:23, 17 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Completely agree. This is certainly inflating a record with a very clearly incorrect interpretation and furthermore one that does not make sense. It could be argued that Rajasthani 'inherited' this literary tradition so that its heritage goes back 1,500 years, but that's clearly not was is meant here, or we could go back to Sanskrit (or at least Shauraseni) much farther than that. Will edit accordingly.Harsimaja (talk) 05:14, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 3 August 2021

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The result of the move request was: moved.  Number   5  7  22:01, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Rajasthani language → Rajasthani languages – The article is not about a language, but a group of languages. – Uanfala (talk) 10:31, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

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 * Based on the content of the article, the proposed title is more accurate. —  AjaxSmack  19:52, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 16 January 2022

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Megan B....   It’s all coming to me till the end of time  20:20, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Rajasthani languages → Rajasthani language – Rajasthani is considered as language by Govt of India and used in census of India in 2011 it's dialects like Marwari or Mewari don't have written form. Rajasthani is taught as a language at Universities and not it's dialects Marwari or Mewari Bharat0078 (talk) 11:54, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. How the government labels languages has no bearing on how we represent the linguistic realities (and if we really had to follow the "official" line, we'd have to count all the Rajasthani varieties as dialects of Hindi). And whether a language is commonly used in writing is likewise irrelevant. Rajasthani is a diverse group of a dozen languages, each normally referred to as a language in the linguistics literature and each having a separate ISO 639-3 language code. Yes, the term "Rajasthani" is also being used for the standardised variety of Marwari, which is being promoted as a potential future official language of the state. Maybe the article should more clearly mention this usage, and we might even consider turning Rajasthani language into a disambiguation page, but these are separate questions. – Uanfala (talk) 13:55, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose as per Uanfala. They are pretty much the go-to person on language issues.  Onel 5969  TT me 15:11, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

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Article split?
There do appear to be a lot of sources, especially in Hindi, about the standardised Rajasthani variety, which is what people mean when they speak of the Rajasthani language. I'm beginning to think that it will be best to have two separate articles: one for the language group (the current article: Rajasthani languages), and another for the standard variety (maybe titled Standard Rajasthani?). Bharat0078 had already attempted to do something similar (though not in a completely helpful manner). We would need to disentangle the content of the present article: it switches back and forth (and has done for most of its history) between talking about Rajasthani languages and the Rajasthani language (for some of the latter uses it's unclear if the information pertains only to the standard variety or is common to the whole group).

Given that in the reliable English literature, "Rajasthani" refers mostly to the group (and when used in the singular, it refers to a Rajasthani language), which is also probably the main use in the incoming links, it would appear reasonable to have Rajasthani language continue to redirect here. But maybe, for the avoidance of confusion, it will make sense to instead turn that into a disambiguation page? – Uanfala (talk) 19:13, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Gujarati
As there is no mention in the article that Rajasthani languages are written in the Gujarati script and no mention at Gujarati script that it's used to write any of the Rajasthani languages, should the two rendering of "Rajasthani" in Gujarati script be removed from the infobox? Or, contrariwise, can someone add information to the article about the use by some of the Gujarati script for Rajasthani writing? Largoplazo (talk) 02:23, 30 August 2023 (UTC)