Talk:Ralph Eugene Meatyard

Reason for the French link
As far as I can tell, the French link is the easiest way to find the publication in which James Rhem wrote the biography that he published here (in English). If we can find, for instance, an ISBN number or an Amazon link for the book, that's better. But for now, it is good to have it in to satisfy WP:V, I think (not having bought the book). Hope the remover can live with that... --Alvestrand 00:19, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Then the information should be included as a reference, not an external link. See External links -- links to be avoided include pages "written in a language other than English." SteveHopson 01:58, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Good point. Done. --Alvestrand 15:38, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Copyright
Has the permission for posting this been posted somewhere? User:Zoe|(talk) 03:24, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I haven't seen any. The "with permission from the publisher" text was inserted by User:Jrhem near the beginning of the article's lifetime. He was told to place notes in July: User talk:Jrhem --Alvestrand 07:23, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I've deleted the article until such a time as permission is produced. User:Zoe|(talk) 00:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Mr. Rhem's email correspondence showing publisher's release
Copied from Mr. Rhem's post to my talk page. NawlinWiki 16:08, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

3/26/05 Dear Mr. Delpire and Mr. Rivero,

Greetings, after so long a time. I hope you are both well.

As you must know, there is now increased interest in the photography of Ralph Eugene Meatyard here in the United States. A large exhibition with a full catalogue has just closed at the International Center for Photography. Sadly, the new wave of interest is accompanied by the usual repetition of very superficial, inaccurate and/or misleading writing about Meatyard. To help counteract this all-too-familiar wave of myth-making and misinformation, I am writing to ask your permission to post the English language original of my introductory essay to the Photo Poche No. 87 on Meatyard on the Internet Encyclopedia called Wikipedia. Here it would be freely accessible to all interested in information on Meatyard. Lazy journalists might even use the information and thus perhaps more accurate appraisals would come into wider circulation. If the prospect of publishing an English language edition of the Photo Poche seemed likely, I would not make this request, but since it does not seem likely, I hope you will grant this permission. You may review the encyclopedia at www.wikipedia.org With thank, I am sincerely yours, James RhemSubject: Meatyard

From: ISABELLE ROY To: 

Dear Mr. Rhem,

Thank you for your news. I am pleased to see that our Photo Poche remains a reliable and serious reference in the approach of Ralph Eugene Meatyard’s work. In 2004, the series was sold to the publishing house Actes Sud, based in Arles, and we are now in a policy of development of international editions (for instance, in 2004, we have published the first 6 titles of the Italian edition, called FotoNote). We are planning to start an English edition in 2006, that is why it will be difficult to give complete satisfaction to your request. However, in order to prove you our good will and give the English-speaking public a serious approach of Meatyard’s work, we suggest you only reproduce some significant excerpts of your text in the online encyclopedia wikipedia.org. This solution should prove satisfying enough for you, while preserving the exclusivity of the original text for a future edition of the Photo Poche in English. Thank you to let us know your thoughts and to inform us about the excerpts you plan on quoting. At last, we would like to know if wikipedia pays reproduction rights so as to enforce the contract we are bound to. I look forward to hearing from you, Best regards,

For Benoît Rivero, Isabelle Roy.

4/4/05 Dear Ms. Roy,

Thank you for your prompt and helpful reply. I am very glad to hear there will soon be an English-language edition of the Meatyard Photo Poche No. 87.

I have made an excerpt of the first portion of my Meatyard introduction. A copy is attached. Will you approve my posting it as part of the Wikipedia online encyclopedia? It is approximately 641 words. Please also send whatever text by way of permissions notice you would like me to post with the excerpt.

Kind regards, James Rhem

4/4/05 Dear Ms. Roy,

I failed to answer your question about payments by Wikipedia for reproduction rights. It is my understanding that Wikipedia is a totally user-created reference and does not pay reprinting fees to anyone.

I will, however, post a prominent "reprinted by permission of . . " notice with ordering information attached if you will send that along to me.

Regards, James Rhem

Subject: Re: Meatyard excerpt From: ISABELLE ROY To: 

4/26/05 Dear Mr. Rhem,

Mr. Rivero agrees to let you publish the excerpt on wikipedia.org but requires that you expressely mention that the text is an “extract from the preface, by James Rhem of the Photo Poche #87 Ralph Eugene Meatyard, Actes Sud publishers, France.” Concerning the errors that crept into the final French edition, I think the best is to send Mr. Rivero a detailed list he will keep in his record. Thank you for your follow-up, Best Regards, Isabelle Roy.

4/26/05 Dear Ms. Roy,

Many thanks. You may view the posted excerpt at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Eugene_Meatyard

Regards, James Rhem

Vulgarization
Perhaps I just am not as comfortable with a reference source in which anyone whether they write well or basically know what they are talking about or not can edit the work of people who've worked hard as writers and researchers and do know what they are talking about. I went to some trouble to gain permission to post in English part of my essay on Ralph Eugene Meatyard originally published as part of my PhotoPoche on Meatyard in French. My thanks for that have been to see the writing debased by lots of hands who think trivial facts about Meatyard should come higher in the entry and have more prominence than they do in my more polished piece of writing. And of course in order to give this material to Wikipedia I had to put up with the Wikipedia policemen questioning everything I did. I had thought to work to improve the entry on Aaron Siskind about whom I've also written a book, but since vulgarization of writing seems to be the norm on Wikipedia, the lowest common demoninator, I think I will save my energy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrhem (talk • contribs) 20:24, 19 January 2012 (UTC)