Talk:Ralph Vaughan Williams

Image
An editor keeps adding this image, which I do not think belongs in a Featured Article because the copyright details on the Commons page do not comply with WP requirements. Proof that it was published before 1926 would help a lot, but "Creative Commons" is clearly inapplicable, it seems to me. Advice from an editor more expert on image copyright and WP application thereof would be most welcome.  Tim riley  talk   08:55, 19 October 2021 (UTC)


 * The same goes for this image, which I have also removed, pending confirmation that it meets WP's requirements.  Tim riley  talk   12:54, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I have now sought an expert opinion from an editor who frequently does the image reviews at FAC (and indeed did the image review for this article).  Tim riley  talk   13:06, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Nikkimaria, who reviewed the images at FAC has kindly given us a steer:
 * At the moment there isn't enough info in either case to be assured that the images are in the public domain - the uploader has claimed CC0 but without evidence of their right to do so, and in both cases the source states the images are reproduced by permission of the trust. Is there any reason that you're aware of to believe the uploader is associated with the trust? Failing that, do we have any further details on publication history of these images?
 * Unless these points can be satisfactorily addressed I fear these pictures are inadmissible.  Tim riley  talk   18:17, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Is anyone prepared to contact rvwtrust.org.uk? Is that something that would have to be done via Wikimedia Commons? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:21, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

VW assignment in the Royal Army Medical Corps
RE: "Joining the Royal Army Medical Corps as a private, he drove ambulance wagons in France and later in Greece." Per Stephen Connock's book, The Edge of Beyond (Albion Music 2021), page 58, VW was a wagon orderly, not a driver. Drivers came from the Army Service Corp. I would change this, but I was asked to suggest changes here first. Rgrames (talk) 03:20, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * VW spelled the term "waggon orderly", but that was his job title, certainly. (See Ursula, p. 120)  Tim riley  talk   07:35, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I made the change, with a parenthetical definition of wagon orderly, as suggested. I used Connock as the reference rather than UVW because Connock's book is much more thorough on the subject and explains, on the page cited, who actually drove the ambulances. Rgrames (talk) 04:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * OK. I've trimmed the wordiness and remedied your WP:CITEVAR variation.  Tim riley  talk   06:47, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Why did you change the citation? Connock's book is the now definitive text on VW's WWI experience and provides the additional information regarding who actually drove the ambulances. UVW's quote of his letter to Holst is ambiguous regarding what a "waggon orderly" is, and has been cited elsewhere as evidence that he was a driver. There is no such ambiguity in Connock's discussion. Have you read it? It quotes the Holst letter, too, but then resolves the issue. And my change was no more "wordy" than was needed to include the term "wagon orderly".
 * Oh, and you have a typo in your reference page number. Rgrames (talk) 05:05, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Your WP:CITEVAR violation made a dog's breakfast of the citations, putting the bibliographical details of the book in with the References, rather than, with all the other books, in the Sources section. If you wish to replace the citation with the newer book by all means do so, but don't indulge in CITEVAR: do the job properly, please. The job title is better avoided as there are two contradictory spellings of it and all that is needed here is to say what RVW was doing rather than what the position was called.  Tim riley  talk   07:59, 8 June 2024 (UTC)