Talk:Ramal Talca-Constitución

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Incredible railway, the last remaining narrow gauge chilean railway. Some amazing photos are availble. Its an incredibly beautiful railway running through pristine untouched countryside. Some parts of the route dont have road access even. The bridge of the railway over the river maule was designed by Gustave Eiffel ( eiffel tower and statue of liberty) and is a protected national monument. The Ramal Talca-Constitución bustrain service has a public transport subsidy that seeks to improve the connectivity of the communities located near the branch line that have no alternative transport. For this reason, local residents have the priority of transportation. Really special and incredible. The trip takes approximately 3 hours and 27 minutes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.44.139.201 (talk) 20:21, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Helpful References

 * 1) http://www.fodors.com/world/south-america/chile/the-central-valley/things-to-do/sights/reviews/ramal-talcaconstitucion-442720
 * 2) http://www.lan.com/onlyinsouthamerica/nostalgic-train-ride-talca-constitucion/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.44.139.201 (talk) 20:09, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
 * 3) http://chile.travel/en/where-to-go/santiago-wine-country-and-the-central-valley/highlights-of-the-central-valley/talca-constitucion-railway-branch-line-chile/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.44.139.201 (talk) 20:07, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
 * 4) https://cachandochile.wordpress.com/2011/06/20/riding-the-ramal/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.44.139.201 (talk) 20:12, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
 * 5) http://www.railways.incanada.net/pictures/talca.htm  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.44.139.201 (talk) 20:15, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
 * 6) http://www.trencentral.cl/link.cgi/servicios/buscarrileng/history.act
 * 7) http://www.trencentral.cl/link.cgi/servicios/buscarrileng/equipment.act
 * 8) http://www.trencentral.cl/link.cgi/servicios/buscarrileng/
 * 9) http://www.freenomads.com/home/?product=chile-ride-with-the-last-ramal  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.44.139.201 (talk) 20:36, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
 * 10) http://www.trencentral.cl/link.cgi/servicios/buscarrileng/stations-bridges-and-tunnels.act
 * 11) http://railsouthamerica.com/andean-train-journeys/

Important Spanish Sources

 * 1) https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramal_Talca_-_Constituci%C3%B3n
 * 2) http://www.amigosdeltren.cl/trenes-del-mundo/recorridos/ramal-talca-constitucion video in spanish
 * 3) http://www.monumentos.cl/consejo/606/articles-36471_documento.pdf
 * 4) http://www.todopatrimonio.com/pdf/cicop2012/01-actas_cicop2012.pdf  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.44.139.201 (talk) 20:52, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Quick summary
The last remaining narrow gauge ramal train in Chile. Inserted in the depths of Chile, the Ramal Talca-Constitución 88 km journey borders the north bank of the Maule River for about three hours, covering the communes of Talca, Maule, Pencahue and Constitución.

It has been over one hundred years and the landscape around the Ramal Talca - Constitución hasn´t undergone over time. We invite you to reminisce on time and on rural traditions aboard this buscarril (bus+train), a living heritage of an area of unique historical and cultural value.

New article request
Please add your support at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Applied_arts_and_sciences/Transport#Rail_transport — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.44.139.201 (talk) 20:21, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Comments & ideas
Please put comemnts and ideas here — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.44.139.201 (talk) 20:59, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Parameters & Importance
Please discuss any changes or requested changes to parameters or importance here.

Currently I have requested suppport from

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.44.139.201 (talk) 16:56, 4 June 2016
 * Imageneeded=yes
 * Maps=yes
 * Locos=yes
 * operations=yes
 * passenger=yes
 * Timelines=yes
 * bycountry=yes
 * importance=Medium
 * Class=Draft
 * Looking at the parameters actually in the template: yes is not relevant, since there are images; yes is fair, as is yes; Draft is correct but redundant, since it's detected automatically; Medium is an invalid value - but it should be Low-importance, because this is "not required knowledge for a broad understanding of rail transport technology or history", see WikiProject Trains/Assessment; yes is irrelevant, since this article is about a line, and is not primarily a map; yes is completely irrelevant, since this article is not about a locomotive or class of locomotives; Yes is irrelevant, since this article is not a timeline (compare e.g. 1950 in rail transport which is a timeline); Yes is also irrelevant, since this article is not about the rail transport of a particular country (compare Rail transport in France). -- Red rose64 (talk) 17:36, 4 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your help Red rose, I appreciate your input.


 * yes is because the spanish version has lots of images that need to be transferred across and I dont know how.
 * DraftOK Agreed
 * Medium It is very important to rail transport in Chile and is very important to the development of the Maule Region. That is why it is a listed national monument. (beware of national bias about what is and isnt important) . I would argue it is between Mid to High after reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Trains/Assessment#Importance_scale . Given the fact that the example for mid is the delaware railroad and the example for high is the first transcontinental railroad. This is a railroad similar to that of delaware, however it is the last remaining Ramal in Chile.
 * yes is not related to maps, but line maps see the draft article and the line map, there is a specialist team that creates these
 * yes is because someone needs to write up about the locomotives used both past and present. Especially those old engines stored by the side of the line. agreed
 * Yes Agreed
 * Yes I thought is relevant because of the unique exprience of rail development in Chile, and the fact this is the last Ramal in Chile. but I accept your point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.44.139.201 (talk) 18:31, 4 June 2016
 * Using is pointless - first, this isn't a station but a line; second, even if it were about a station, adding yes to the existing  would be a better way of doing it. Also, don't add article categories like   or   to talk pages. -- Red rose64 (talk) 09:34, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Red Rose, thank you for your contributions. The stations I dont beleive is pointless since none of the stations on the line have articles. Not one has information or a page. So listing it under stations draws attention to that fact. Im not necesarily saying that all the stations should be listed in this article, however the stations do need pages eventually ( per wiki trains initiatives) On your other point I realise what you are saying, Apologies for the errors with the bad parameters those were obviously mistakes. I now have the support of some of the wiki trains editors who will be looking at this in the coming days such as VarunFEB2003 (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.44.139.201 (talk) 07:49, 17 June 2016

Wiki Project Trains
Section to discuss Wikiproject trains iniciatives — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.44.139.201 (talk) 08:04, 17 June 2016
 * What are "iniciatives", and why do they need discussing here? -- Red rose64 (talk) 09:39, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Red rose64 Are you a dingle in disguise? :-) claret64?
 * FYI a lot of lancashire railway men came to Chile to work on the railways. The trans andean railway was built by 2 english brothers. A lot stayed on searching for gold after their contracts ended. So its not uncommon to get english surnames.

History
Potentially needs a rewrite with the help of http://www.trencentral.cl/link.cgi/servicios/buscarrileng/history.act

Pictures
Redrose why did you delete my pictures? at least discuss it first. Dont delete all of them !! at least leave some...

I liked the pictures :-( — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.46.20.240 (talk) 23:30, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

I put descriptions on them.. no you dont have to put your berty bee sting on delete again :-) 190.46.20.240 (talk) 00:02, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * WP:NOTREPOSITORY says that Wikipedia is not a repository of images. Wikipedia articles are not merely collections of: photographs or media files with no accompanying text. If you are interested in presenting a picture, please provide an encyclopedic context, or consider adding it to Wikimedia Commons.
 * Where it says "no accompanying text", this does not means that an image caption - even if lengthy - is sufficient, it means that there should be some actual prose in the main text of the article that is related to the image, in an appropriate section. See WP:IG - images are typically interspersed individually throughout an article near the relevant text (see WP:MOSIMAGES). Lengthy captions are also discouraged, see MOS:CAPTION.
 * These 29 images are all in c:Category:Ramal Talca-Constitución, so instead of a gallery, the normal practice is to put at the top of the last section of the article. -- Red rose64 (talk) 09:00, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * ok thanks seems its been deleted now anyway! but appreciate the explanation — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.46.20.240 (talk) 04:17, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
 * @ Red rose64 (talk) I think someone else is venkys in disguise! :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.46.20.240 (talk) 05:41, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

The station map
Sorry finlay if i reverted any of ur edit u can tell me ill do it or u do it but pls dont change the format of the article IP Address 190.46.20.240 I hope that sends u a ping. I had not deleted the station map instead i moved it to the appropriate section and converted it  into a image from template as template did not exist and had all dead links. Do not kindly reert the edit
 * they should not be images! They have to be the wikiproject trains maps! you cant keep deleting it :-) its supposed to be there. We need a map specialist to come in and make it how it should be. There is a wiki porject trains group specially for this and I reuested their help 190.46.20.240 (talk) 04:19, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Change it back please !! :-) Thank you 190.46.20.240 (talk) 04:22, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Move of page
I have just moved this page to a new name bcuz the older name was actually wrong. Place name dont change with language - VarunFEB2003 (talk) 12:50, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
 * you dont speak spanish do you! SPanish has it the other way round ! You just copied the spanish name which is back to front in english! 190.46.20.240 (talk) 04:20, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

VarunFEB2003
@VarunFEB2003

Whilst i at first appreciated your contributions in helping to produce the article. I am becoming increasing frsutrated wit your instistance in changing the facts and deleting history. Please make sure you understand what you are changing prior to making any changes. Im not sure whether you have misunderstood the spanish or the english ( I am fluent in both). Yet you repeatedly revert or undo corrections I have made. I am not making the edits to annoy you, its because you made small mistakes and I am helping you to perfect it. However for you to just undo without any though is highly frustrating!

Please consider this! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.46.20.240 (talk) 04:41, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

You gave yourself a barnstar? for messing up this article!! haha ok! makes sense! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:VarunFEB2003#A_barnstar_for_you.21

190.46.20.240 (talk) 05:38, 25 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi IP u see the english u had first created in the draft was very very bad. My edits didnt change any meaning in the sentences. If so i might have made a mistake and u could have informed me. The corrections u were making were like adding table full of dead links and adding sections that just had one line. That is why i changed. And i didnt give myself a barnstar a IP address who liked my edits gave it to me. and plsd try not to use language used on social media that is full of exclamations abrupt phrases and laughs. -- Varun  &#9742;   07:24, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Meaning of "Ramal"
From the way the word is used in the article it seems that "Ramal" could be the name for a type or category of rail line, but it's not explained. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:57, 25 June 2016 (UTC)


 * @Roger (Dodger67) (talk)Great point. Basically ramal has different connotations dependin on where you are in the world. Just like in the US they use rail road and in the UK railway, spanish speaking countries use Ramal differently. In Chilean spanish it means the special type of rural railways built horizontally across the country in the late 1800s and early 1900's. These connected to a vertical north south line. They were built as kind of bus train services, later locally known as buscarril with 1m gauge lines. In the strict direct translation ramal means branch, which some translate as branch line. I feel that to be an over simplification that hides the historic and cultural significance within chile. A similar explanation would be the use of the word pavement in the UK to mean sidewalk in us english, or the use of pavement in us english to mean road in uk english. translating pavement as sidewalk or road depends on the local cultural and linguistic interpretation.190.46.20.240 (talk) 06:16, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Please do not copy and paste from other web sites!
I noted that you copied and pasted some sentences from this web page. One of the most important rules in Wikipedia is, not to copy and paste anything from other web sites, but to write new sentences about information that is shown in the references. The sentences, of which I think that they are insufficiently re-worded are as follows:
 * Original: "...obligatory stop for the trains in both directions, as there is only one track, and this is where they change positions. Here a traditional stop includes a purchase of rescoldo, a hearty bread with pork sausage, and hard boiled eggs. There are a couple of older, abandoned rail cars here, as well, for the history-inclined."
 * Your article: "...obligatory stop for the trains in both directions, as there is only one track, and this is where they pass each other.[9][10] During a stop-over here people usually buy rescoldo- a hearty bread with pork sausage and hard boiled eggs.[9] This place is also a storehouse for abandoned rail cars here.[9] "--NearEMPTiness (talk) 06:59, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
 * ok noted, apologies, was an oversight, 190.46.20.240 (talk) 06:16, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Contradictory train specs
The article claims both diesel and then electrified in 2002. So is it all electric now? At this point, we have contradictory statements. -- Whpq (talk) 14:12, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * The towns on the line have had mains electricity since 2002, the line uses diesel engines. The electified comment was a poor translation from the spanish wikipedia edition, which in itself is badly written.190.46.24.169 (talk) 00:19, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * That is very badly worded,and the towns getting electricity isn't really something of much relevance to this line I would say. -- Whpq (talk) 00:26, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Here is a good source with good technical info. - Im happy to translate if you dont understand it - http://www.trenesdechile.cl/buscarril.html 190.46.24.169 (talk) 02:03, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

To all
I have found an article on talca station on wiki it is Estación Talca use it in the article because currently talca station links to talca in this article VarunFEB2003 (talk) 13:44, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Brilliant 190.46.24.169 (talk) 00:28, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * The article is no longer protected, you can add that link to the article without posting it here for an admin to make the change. -- Whpq (talk) 00:39, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I know but im too busy cant edit now sorry! VarunFEB2003 (talk) 12:12, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Seriously?!!! You have enough time to post a message to this talk page, but not enough time to add one little wikilink to the article which would have taken even less time than it took to post the message? -- Whpq (talk) 13:18, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually Whpq i am going too stressed and finding all talca links and replacing with talca station links is not a such a small thing. If someone could it'd be great otherwise ill do it after some time. VarunFEB2003 (talk) 11:35, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I just noted that the link has now been added. Thank you very much.--NearEMPTiness (talk) 22:06, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

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