Talk:Rambhadracharya/Archive 2

POV classification of Major works
I am rather curious about the classification and comparing it with great works like Kumarasambhava, Meghaduta, Gitagovinda etc. IMO, the WP:OR comparisons should be removed. Also, third-party references are needed to support the classification, especially classifying some works as the mahakavyas. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 06:19, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I meant 'Like' for 'Epic Poems' etc, and not for the Sribhargavaraghaviyam etc. So Mahakavya (Epic Poem, like Kumarasamhava) is for the classification and not the works. Can be removed, no issues (Even though Sribhargavaraghaviyam has been compared to Brihattrayi and Laghutrayi). Classification is done by both Nagar 2002 and Dinkar 2008, I can add the references. Nmisra (talk) 06:29, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Seems good then. Removing Comparisons on top. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 06:32, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I realized both references (Nagar and Dinkar) have already been cited before the categorization. Nagar lists all works published upto 2002 in a table with the genre/category in a column. Dinkar does the same for all works published upto 2008. Works published after 2008 have been grouped in accordance with the classification by Nagar and Dinkar. Nmisra (talk) 09:51, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Also, Ashtavakra has been referred to as a Mahakavya in conferences organized by Madhya Pradesh Sahitya Akademi and Cultural Council to discuss the work. This has been reported by newspapers like Rajasthan Patrika and Dainik Jagaran. See here and here. Nmisra (talk) 13:52, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Links and name usage

 * As per WP:OVERLINK, links should on first occurrence and not repeated unless in a very long article
 * I am using Giridhar (not Giridhar Mishra), Rambhadradas, and then Rambhadracharya (not Jagadguru Rambhadracharya) in the article for consistency and brevity. Any objections? -- Redtigerxyz Talk 16:20, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, makes it more readable. Nmisra (talk) 22:10, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Composer and singer in header, writer/author and blind musicians category
Rambhadracharya composes music and sings as well. Several music CDs of his are available and three of them have been added with citations under Works where he is the lyricist, musician and singer. With this, I plan to add "composer, singer" in the first line of the article and also add the Blind Musicians category again. Also, would "author" be better than "writer" be more apt, as he does not "write" himself or use Braille. Nmisra (talk) 02:06, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * With the new section, sounds good. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 06:56, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Inconsistency in no. of mahakavyas
In the lead, the article says 4 epic poems /mahakavyas, but only 3 are mentioned in the main article section. Please address the inconsistency-- Redtigerxyz Talk 08:05, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * As per Sushil Sharma and Abhiraj Rajendra Mishra, Gitaramayanam (2011) is both a lyrical poem (Gitakavya, all songs in the Gitaka metre) and an epic poem (Mahakavya with 1008 songs) (reference given under Gitaramayanam). In the book (see here), Rambhadracharya himself calls it a Gītamahākāvya (गीतमहाकाव्य) which translates to a "lyrical epic poem", with lyrical (गीत) qualifying the epic poem (महाकाव्य). Moved it under Mahakavya from Gitakavya. Works upto 2008 are categorized by Dinkar so later works have to be categorized by editors here. Nmisra (talk) 08:32, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Avatar of Vishnu
Qualification of Rama and Krishna necessary? They are quite popular names in themselves, we don't qualify Vishnu as the preserver of the Hindu trinity and Shiva as the destructor. Furthermore, as per Bhagavata and Gaudiya Vaishnava interpretation of scriptures, Krishna is source of Vishnu and as per Ramcharitmanas and Ramanandi interpretation of scriptures, Rama is source of Vishnu. POV anyone? Just joking about the POV bit. :) Nmisra (talk) 08:32, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with Nmisra, no much need. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛  Talk Email 13:34, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Title of Jagadguru: OR and POV???
The first para of Title of Jagadguru seems to OR and POV. The article portrays that someone earns the title Jagadguru by composing Sanskrit commentaries on the Prasthānatrayī scriptures. However, it seems that all Ramanandi heads get "Jagadguru Ramanandacharya" title by default. Also, Rambhadracharya became Jagadguru first and then composed Sanskrit commentaries on the Prasthānatrayī scriptures. The reference only supports "After Vallabhacharya's commentary, no Sanskrit commentary was written on the Prasthānatrayī for almost 500 years" part. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 17:52, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * References added and with some edits. Let me know if further references are needed or if it still appears to be POV/OR. Nmisra (talk) 22:35, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * IMO, it is a case of WP:SYNTHESIS (Synthesis of published material that advances a position). The lead sentence of the para and the inclusion of the Prasthanatrayi commentaries gives the impression that Rambhadracharya, earned the title by his commentaries, which does not seem to be a case. "The title is also used by successors of such Acharyas" seems the case here. As a successor of Jagadguru Ramanandacharya, Rambhadracharya was bestowed the title "Jagadguru Ramanandacharya" and seems to have no relationship to Prasthanatrayi commentaries, he wrote later. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 06:02, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Would you suggest moving the Prashthantrati commentary part to later (after the mention of the commentaries) or remove it altogehter? Am fine with whatever makes it NPOV and NOR. Nmisra (talk) 07:48, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

I have
 * removed "Jagadguru (जगद्गुरु, literally, the preceptor of the world), is a title in Hinduism traditionally bestowed upon Acharyas belonging to the Vedanta school who write commentaries on the Prasthanatrayi scriptures (the Brahma Sutra, the Bhagavad Gita and the principal Upanishads) and establish a Sampradaya (monastic order). The title is also used by successors of such Acharyas." as the title seems be a default one of the second variety in this case, so no UNDUE stress on Jagadguru word.
 * Removed "In medieval Indian history, there were several commentators who wrote Sanskrit commentaries on Prasthanatrayi - Shankaracharya, Nimbarkacharya, Ramanujacharya, Madhvacharya, Ramanandacharya, and the last being Vallabhacharya (1479–1531)." WP:UNDUE list of names, which will make little sense for non-Hindu.
 * Moved commentaries on the Prasthānatrayī to relevant section. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 13:27, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, I fixed the broken reference. Nmisra (talk) 13:38, 29 August 2011 (UTC)