Talk:Rammstein/Archive 3

Rammstein's name
In a particular youtube clip, some old interview type documentary, the host says the band actively denies being named after the airshow tragedy at all, but instead named after the battering ram, or ramming stone (Ram stein). This seems to contradict the article as it is now.

Here is the clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3vxjShesqw —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.16.48.129 (talk) 03:58, 5 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Edited the main article Yosy (talk) 15:50, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The German Wikipedia-article lists another quote, where one of the band-members state, that indeed the name refers to the Ramstein airshow disaster. Additionally the linked video-clip isn't really a documentary, but rather a bands advertising, broadcast on the German music TV program VIVA (then a direct competitor to MTV). --Feeela (talk) 22:36, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * According to Paul Landers, Rammstein is indeed named after the airshow disaster:

"Bei einer unserer Fahrten mit Feeling B hatten Schneider, Flake und ich schon den neuen Bandnamen. Wir hatten den an die Wand von unserem LO geschrieben: Rammstein Flugschau. Doof, wie wir waren, schrieben wir Rammstein gleich mit zwei M, weil wir nicht wussten, dass der Ort Ramstein nur ein M hat. Wir haben uns erstmal aus Quatsch so genannt, aber der Name blieb kleben wie ein Spitzname, den man nicht gut findet. Wir schafften es nicht mehr, den loszuwerden. Rammstein wollten wir eigentlich nicht heißen, das war uns zu festgelegt. Wir haben noch gesucht: Milch oder Erde oder Mutter, aber der Name war schon durch."

- Paul Landers

Source: Galenza/Havemeister: Feeling B. Mix mir einen Drink. Berlin: Schwarzkopf & Schwarzkopf, 2003, p. 262, ISBN-13: 978-3896024183

In my poor English I would translate this as:

Once traveling with Feeling B, Schneider, Flake and I had the new band name. We had written it onto the side wall of our LO-truck: Rammstein Airshow. Dumb as we were then, we wrote Rammstein with a double M, because we did not know that the village Ramstein has only one M. We had been just fooling around, but the name stuck to us like a nickname you don't like. We didn't manage to get rid of it. We didn't want to be called Rammstein, this seemed too fixed to us. We searched on: Milk or Earth or Mother, but this one had been occupied yet. --92.206.118.1 (talk) 21:38, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Marlon Corona?
Whos' this Marlon Corona? I'm pretty sure he's not a member of Rammstein. ~(Annoyed Guest) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.93.40.213 (talk) 22:32, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

A Note: Upcoming sixth album: There is too much Bushido in this article. This person has nothing to do with Rammstein. He´s a rap-moslem with toilet-german. Nothing what he is saying Rammstein is interested about. Please revise and beware of mention Bushido with Rammstein in one context. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.179.93.105 (talk) 08:45, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Language of Anger
Do we need this quote? Though an authentic and sourced quote, it seems to reflect ethnic prejudice on the part of the original author.Jkolak (talk) 04:03, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I disagree, it's awesome. 122.107.178.246 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:01, 10 September 2009 (UTC).
 * I also disagree. The quote is very relevant and should stay.Averagejoedev (talk) 09:23, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Redundancy
The members section and history section seem redundant. anyone else agree? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.246.60 (talk) 02:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No PlopperZ (talk) 05:31, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Rammstein is pronounced Rahm-shtine not Ram
Someone keeps changing the phonetic to the improper "ram" instead of "rahm". Listen to any interview with the band mentioning the bands name and you will hear them pronounce it "rahm-shtine". Like here for instance : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj1cbnMqrs8 -- 75.179.136.157 07:48, 6 June 2007(signature added by JonnyJD 16:46, 6 June 2007 (UTC))


 * Or just listen to their title track. ≈  The Haunted Angel  16:56, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Or learn how to pronounce German.Cameron Nedland 19:21, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Hello. I am German. I would pronounce it "Rum-shtine" rather than "Rahm-shtine". Greetings from Düsseldorf. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.115.176.160 (talk) 21:45, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

and German Industrial Cat in C Minor
This and German Industrial Cat in C Minor seems like nonsense and I can't find any information about German Industrial Cat on google. Someone know enough to know if this was a vandal present? Nesnad 06:04, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Sounds like vandalism, go ahead and remove it. ≈  The Haunted Angel  11:34, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Links, 2, 3, 4
Should it be noted that "Links" was used in the concentration camps to select victims for the crematory? (I'm not sure if it was links or rechts that was the crematory) Mendel though would stand and direct people either "Links" left or "Rechts" right. - 68.100.210.50 July 1, 2007 10:47 UTC


 * Links simply means "Left". "Links 2 3 4" alludes to marching.  This is also why you hear marching in the background. --Ich (talk) 06:45, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * This is common knowledge, so I removed the "Citation Needed" request.Jkolak (talk) 04:11, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Links 2-3-4 is a song that negates the accusations that Rammstein are nazis. "Links" represents their political orientation, and singing "zwo" instead of "zwei" further shows that they have no connection to anything that has to do with nazis or a superior race. The song is militaristic in both sound and lyrics, but you should first find out what Rammstein meant behind this song. --Cjepo (talk) 17:52, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I dont know about their use of zwo as a sign that they're not connected to nazis whatsoever, but it's the official millitary term for "two", because zwei spoken on the radio could sound like drei, which means three. So to avoid any confusion, they say zwo, instead of zwei. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chaitai (talk • contribs) 23:52, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I am not sure about the spoken on radio part origin of zwo - although it makes sens - I rather think it has a regional origin, as German language is not identical in all parts of Germany. Each region has dialects and slang, some very different from each other, so zwo has more likely some regional origin and was later spread through the country. It could also have been gender based: in Luxembourg, two is either "zwo" or "zwee", depending on the gender of the subject the two is referring too. A bit like in French, "un" or "une".Mister Denial (talk) 10:30, 4 July 2010 (UTC)


 * In the German army (Bundeswehr) you indeed learn to use the "zwo" on radio-communications. That hasn't anything to do with dialects or slangs, but with Bundeswehr service regulations, which are the same country-wide (it's really official, as stated above). --Feeela (talk) 22:42, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * The reason for using zwo in contexts such as military slang and radio communication is simply that it is acoustically more distinct from drei, especially when transmission quality is poor (this is similar to English-based spelling alphabets such as the NATO phonetic alphabet, where tree, fower, fife, niner are used instead of three, four, five, nine, and tousand is recommended instead of thousand). Its origin is in older German, where zween was the masculine, zwo the feminine and zwei the neutral form; some dialects do still preserve this distinction of gender, especially in Switzerland, but it was general in German as late as the 18th century, so it does not have a regional origin as such. See German Wikipedia. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 03:08, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Links also refers to Socialism,Communism and such ideology. As everyone know the Nazi's where also Socialists (National-Socialists). So Rammstein don't give any credibility. 15:14 29 june 2009 (UTC)

The Nazis used the word "socialism" to attract socialists but also the poor people and the working class in general. Their ideology doesn't have anything in common with socialism. In fact socialists and communists have been killed in the concentration camps, just like any other disliked people. I don't know what it's like in other countries, but in germany it is absolutely clear, that "left" means a lot of things, but stands in total opposition to nazi ideology.--188.192.109.241 (talk) 00:43, 19 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The band clearly distances itself from the Nazi-movement by stating that "they" want them to be right-wing, but if they look inside, their heart beats left. This is in the lyrics, the first line of the chorus. Skehrkrow (talk) 10:34, 4 July 2010 (UTC)


 * And it will need some sources if you want to try and enter any such interpretation into the article. Otherwise it's original research. Rehevkor ✉  12:29, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Most Successful German-language Rock Band?
"With the release of the album Reise, Reise (2004), they became the most successful German-language band of all time." At 12 million albums sold, they are one of the most successful German-language rock bands. According to both the English and German wikis, Puhdys has sold "over 18 million" (.en) and "almost 20 million" (.de) albums, recording almost exclusively in German. As a side-note, a fan site (what was credited) isn't exactly the most reliable of sources for this sort of thing. I have changed the aforementioned sentence in the main article. --Ich (talk) 06:45, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Forget the Puhdys *g*, remember the "Scorps" - I don't know if the here printed number is correct, but certainly they sold over 50 million records worldwide. And also Blind Guardian are more successful in commercial way I assume (cefaclor)


 * Maybe the original author wanted to say that Rammstein has sold more albums in german language outside of germany than any other rock band. That could be true as the scorpions are german but don't use german lyrics. And the puhdys might not have sold as many albums OUTSIDE of germany as Rammstein has. 89.166.165.90 19:16, 22 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Without any further reference at hand, I think Rammstein is always mentioned as being the most commercially successfull german band with german lyrics. There are definitely bands that sold more records, but all of those I know generally use english lyrics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.181.35.150 (talk) 12:59, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

New lead singer?
According to Blabbermouth, Till Lindemann has been replaced by En Esch. I'd make the change myself, but I decided to bring this here, in case others feel we should wait until the band releases a statement on their website. Thoughts? Nufy8 14:15, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Holy shit, I didn't know that, and that's bad news... I think its best that we wait 'till the band confirms it. I, on the other hand, will be grieving Till quitting the band... ≈  The Haunted Angel  14:18, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It's a press release from their management company - Pilgrim Management GmbH. I don't think you can much more confirmed than that. 220.245.107.141 15:17, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Shit, Till was the greatest vocalist, I don't expect the new guy to be very good. No one could ever replace Till, My real question is how the hell will they do their old shit without till. This may sound bad but I would rather see the whole band end after this album on a happy note than like this. gravediggerfuneral

Till will still be doing vocals on Rammstein's next album. He will not be leaving until after it is completed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.139.217.108 (talk)

It really shouldn't be stated as fact on the Rammstein page. Nothing has been confirmed on the Rammstein website -- and sure, it may be true, but I'd hold fire until a little more evidence has come to light, well other than blabbermouth.net. I mean, I've got Google Alerts sending my instant e-mails every time a internet news article comes up with the word 'Rammstein' in it, and I only got this single one sent to me... If it is true, I'll be devestated to see him go and Rammstein will never be the same without his voice and his lyrics. I really hope that if there's a tour for this new album, Till will go on it, otherwise that'll just be adding insult to injury... --SaraFL 17:32, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

The Blabbermouth article is gone now. I guess it was nothing but a rumor, then, or something. It's insane! (LuvataciousSkull 01:25, 17 July 2007 (UTC))


 * I bloody hope so... ≈  The Haunted Angel  01:50, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

no, it's true. the band just officially announced his leaving. It's still not in an English article yet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Siegzumir (talk • contribs) 11:30, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I am sorry but I don't think it's a fake. It just doesn't look like. Here in Germany there is not often Rammstein playing or anything else about Rammstein in the radio or daily news, but now it is... Okay, last hope: its might be a marketing strategy, but I personally don't think so... (cefaclor)


 * Until it is proved by the band themselves, this remains a rumor. Remember how it happened with Tarja and Nightwish: it was public and clear, through open letter on band's website.Garret Beaumain 10:13, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I think it's safe to say that the matter is now dead. The people who released it said it WAS a hoax. So let's all sit back, relax, and be happy it was just a really mean joke. :D (LuvataciousSkull 19:33, 17 July 2007 (UTC))

''I just finished posting the official German release from Emanuel Fialik on the matter. It is over. He said that it is all a hoax. So now that we know, it is no longer a current event. It is finished. I am just so happy to see that. However, they didn't post it on rammstein.com! They just put it on rammstein.de! Why do us German speakers get ahead of the crowd? =p'' --68.14.170.32 04:41, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

as a KMFDM fan I would far prefer En Esch instead of that Till, too bad it didn't happen, then I would have started to listen to Rammstein. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.225.227.106 (talk) 08:26, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

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Denver?
The public statement about the Columbine shootings as the person saying "Denver" and not "Littleton" is this a mistake on his part or the article itself? - Warthog Demon  21:18, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

i think rammstein used "denver". but so what, when im traveling, i say im from fort worth as opposed to my town of burleson. littleton is a suburb of denver. just like saying hey im from new york city, when you are really from manhattan or something. no biggie —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.140.62.136 (talk) 20:34, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Lyrics
Is it just me or does the author of the lyrics sections seem extremely assumptions without citation to prove the point? Unless it is written otherwise elsewhere by the band, I always understood the song "Du Hast" as a pun, having both meanings of "You have asked me" and "You hate me" (since the words in German are homonyms). Du... Du hast... Du hast mich... meaning "You have me". This line is often mistaken for "You hate me", because in German, there is no clear distinction between the pronunciation of Du hasst (double S) which means "you hate" and Du hast (single S) which means "you have". I think the irony lies within the singer building up the lyric. Fruit Blender 19:29, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

For sure - it is not "mistaken as You hate me", but meant as a word play with have and hate - it is musik, which you normaly not read but listen to. I am from Germany and know that the orthography means have, but it is obviously that the listener shall hear "hate" first and than recongnize the meaning out of the weeding ceremony (have). Someone who says that it the entire song is meant to be "have", must have a low view of Rammsteins lyric abilities and their irony. 195.243.51.34 (talk) 10:30, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Rammstein's lyrics are a powerful tool in expressing feelings and ideals through music. Many of their songs have double-meaning lyrics, and this proves that Rammstein is not a lame metal band, but a true, artistic and powerful group of German musicians. --Cjepo (talk) 17:56, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Most certainly. Personally I've always enjoyed the ambiguity between "willst du, bis zum Tod, der scheide,..." and "willst du, bis zum Tod der Scheide,..." in "Du has[s]t". And I don't intend explaining that here - email me if you need an explanation! &#9786; Tonywalton Talk 23:48, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That's most interesting - Until I read this article I didn't know anybody who even had the idea to understand it as "willst du, bis zum Tod, der scheide,..." (which the author seems to take for the only valid interpretation). I think almost every german fan will tell you that is just one final (and very debasing) rejection of the whole concept marriage. It also serves to make clear that the literary you ("Du") definitely refers to a woman.
 * And as this is the english wiki and Tonywalton did not explain the difference, I will have to do it: "Tod der Scheide" litterally translates to "death of the vagina".
 * But it's an interesting point. Reminds me much of a controversy that came up about one line in "Rosenrot": in the booklet it says "Tiefe Brunnen muss man graben/ wenn man klares Wasser will" which roughly translates to "Deep wells must be burrowed / if you want clear water", but a lot of people "misheard" it as "Tiefe Wunden ...", translating to "Deep wounds..." (if you want to know how many, google the "wrong" line). There are many examples for this kind of ambiguous choice of words or even unclear pronounciation in Rammstein's lyrics.
 * As a native german speaker I never thought of "Scheide" meaning vagina in that context, but rather a separation/departure – which would be another meaning of the word Scheide (as it is used in words like Scheidung = divorce or Wasserscheide = watershed/drainage divide). The sentence "Willst Du, bis zum Tod der Scheide" would better be translated as "Will you, until Death, the separator", using an language inspired by german poets like it's typical for Rammstein (e.g. see song Rosenrot). See also proto-germanic *skaida- as described in the "Germanisches Wörterbuch" by Gerhard Köbler: distinction, separation. The translation as mentioned above must come from a pubertal brain. --Feeela (talk) 23:06, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I can't edit this page for some reason, but the song "Frühling in Paris" has a small portion of french lyrics: "Oh non rien de rien. Oh non je ne regrette rien" I suggest that be added in the lyrics section where the other language songs are written. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.174.110 (talk) 02:40, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

"Relation to violent events" - Band statement
This statement allegedly issued by the band was removed without explanation by an anonymous user, and it appears that before the edit could be reverted, another anonymous user vandalized the page, and that edit was reverted to the supposedly "clean" revision by the first anon. I restored the statement, but it lacks a source.

"The members of Rammstein express their condolences and sympathy to all affected by the recent tragic events in Denver. They wish to make it clear that they have no lyrical content or political beliefs that could have possibly influenced such behavior. Additionally, members of Rammstein have children of their own, in whom they continually strive to instill healthy and non-violent values"."

72.200.136.8 (talk) 02:12, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Samples
Does anyone else feel that the three samples don't portray varying style very well? Bestrafe Mich, from Sehnsucht, is okay for the early, heavy industrial sound. But Zwitter, from Mutter, seems pointless to me. I know it's there to portray the humorous lyrics, but being this is the English Wiki and the lyrics are German I don't think it accomplishes much. The description already on the page helps more than the audio sample. Ohne Dich, from Reise, Reise, is fine for the purpose of showing the higher vocals, but I think using Nebel from, Mutter, shows that this change happened earlier and frees up using a song from Reise, Reise to show their more current style.

Two of the three examples there are to show the differences in Till's vocal style but they don't show the musical change. I think with a better selection we could show both the differing vocals and the changing musical style.

I don't know the policy on samples, but I think four examples would be ideal.


 * "Bestrafe Mich" is good for the more industrial Herzeleid/Sehnsucht albums, and shows the deep vocal style.
 * "Nebel" a clip from around 1:15-1:40 for the higher vocals and slower song styles.
 * "Mein Teil" a clip from around 2:15-2:40 to show somewhat the style they've used in the last two albums. (I'm not really sure bout this one, the passages on the songs in the last two albums tend to be longer, it's hard to find a 30 sec clip that'd show this well.)
 * "Feuer und Wasser" if we could have four examples, a clip around 1:55-2:25 would show the contrasting soft and heavier styles as well as the current predominant vocal style.

I think these four songs would show the various styles well without picking a song that's kind of far off track. I mean, a song like Te Quiero Puta shows that they do different things some of the time, but it doesn't show what makes up most of their tracks. -- ÐeadΣyeДrrow (Talk | Contribs) 05:11, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Well if there's no argument I just may go ahead and do this. -- ÐeadΣyeДrrow (Talk | Contribs) 09:44, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Contradiction
What? "In 1989 he escaped from East Germany over the border between Austria and Hungary"?! Since when does Germany border Austria AND Hungary? CoolKoon (talk) 21:14, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I think the sentence is trying to describe how he ended up in West Berlin to start Rammstein. Many people in East Germany went through Czechoslovakia then Hungary then through Austria in 1989 to get there. It's not really a contradiction, it's just badly worded or false. I just removed the sentence being that it's unsourced and it's about a living person. It can always be readded properly. -- ÐeadΣyeДrrow (Talk | Contribs) 21:41, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * A song about this event. (Note maps in background at start of video.)


 * I was back-packing both sides of the iron curtain in 1989, speaking English in the West and German in the East. In Hungary, local people thought I was an East German student trying to escape to the West and were extremely helpful to me. Their German was worse than mine, but mine was poor enough not to realize what they were doing until Austrian friends explained it to me in Vienna.


 * The sentence is precisely correct, it simply doesn't explain the legalities that made this possible. Young people in East Germany could obtain travel documents to travel (Reise ) to Hungary, since both were part of the Soviet Block. Hungary and Austria (Neutral) made a deal in 1989 to open their border. The nations have always had a close relationship (see Austro-Hungarian Empire and Holy Roman Empire) and Austria was neutral in the East-West division. However, because of Austria's neutrality, its borders were also open to the West. East Germany > Hungary > Austria > West. It had to be exactly that way given the way the visas were issued.


 * Many, many young people exploited this situation, and it was commonly said at the time that this prompted the people's demolishing of the Berlin wall. This tremendous event continues to unfold in a growing European Union, which has the potential to allow a freedom of all sorts of exchange and co-operation across the whole continent unknown since Roman times 2,000 years ago.


 * Ironically, Germany evaded participation in the Roman Empire, however it may end up being the catalyst of something bigger and better. German people, and Rammstein in particular, are acutely aware of all the legality and history above, and feel it emotionally also.


 * It's a shame to remove the sentence. It suggests personal involvement in a very formative event. It'd be great to find a source for the information. The "living person" issue is not an issue unless it is a negative commentary on a living person, without sources.


 * Please someone, find a source. If all else fails, email Rammstein, let them know you're working on their Wiki biography! Vielleicht ein Deutscher kann uns helfen? ;) Alastair Haines (talk) 14:10, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I dont see the contradiction at all and the german wiki sais the same, so I dont think its wrong. Seems that he used the exact way Alastair suggested, since that was a common way to escape from east Germany —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chaitai (talk • contribs) 00:02, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

poor
The video for Mann gegen Mann ("Man against man"/"one against one") from their latest album Rosenrot may have caused some controversy, as most of the band members are naked in the video, apart from lead singer Till Lindemann, who is wearing what can best be described as a "latex diaper" - most likely because he does not have an instrument with which to cover his genitalia.

some one needs to rewrite this sentence or remove it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SeanCollier (talk • contribs) 19:45, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, especially as most of it just isn't true.
 * 1) "one against one"? No German would ever interpret "Mann gegen Mann" this way. It's more like a proverbial description of an "honourable fight" with a clearly masculine emphasis - which actually is the point of song and clip.
 * 2) "may have caused some controversy" - what's that supposed to mean? That the author suspects so, but didn't find any information to confirm it? Well, at least in germany, there was none. "Rammstein" caused a contrversy, to a certain degree "Engel" did (accusations of playing with pedphilia and the like), "Stripped" did (nazi-aesthetics) - but not "Mann gegen Mann".

If this really is about the nudity: not so much a subject here. We still don't get how nipplegate could become such a big thing in the US. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.99.90.2 (talk) 13:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Comment
I really like this article. It is informative, logical, impartial. The handling of critical commentary is very well done. It allows the fun of the comments to come through. I note that it provides several unsourced explanations, but that these seem easily verifiable, and intrinsically plausible and uncontroversial. Personally, I like this style and think it is perfectly encyclopedic, if differently so than the style of a regular article, like Sun. Congratulations and thank you to the contributors. Alastair Haines (talk) 14:23, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Some minor points
In this article, there are some minor points, which nevertheless deserve a correction:

- Under "Covers and adaptations" ist the following text "the German pop singer Nena, author of the one-hit wonder "99 Luftballons" ("99 Air Balloons")". Though "99 Luftballons" really was her only international hit, in Germany she was no one-hit-wonder. As you look up her wikipedia-article, you can see that in Germany she had six top-10-hits in the 80ies, and has had a modest come-back in the last years. I therefore think it better to remove the "one-hit-wonder" and only leave the "author of "99 Luftballons"".

- Under "Imagery" the politician Oskar Lafontaine is mentioned as "Leader of the German party Die Linke". In 2001, when the song "Links-2-3-4" was released, Lafontaine was still a member of the "Social Democratic Party of Germany". I think the text should be changed to "repeatedly outspoken by Oskar Lafontaine, in 2001 a famous member of the SPD (Social Democratic Party of Germany)".

- Also under "Imagery" a song with the text "Links, zwo, drei, vier; links, zwo, drei, vier; wo dein Platz Genosse ist, reih Dich ein in die Arbeitereinheitsfront, wenn Du auch ein Arbeiter bist" is cited. I knew it to be much earlier than Hannes Wader, and I have found it to be texted by Bert Brecht and composed in 1934 by Hanns Eisler. The text, as it ist cited here, is not correct. You will find the complete text here:, and a date for the composition here: (look for "Einheitsfrontlied"). The song even has its own article in the German wikipedia: []

I would be glad if somebody could change that. Karen 84.133.179.70 (talk) 14:44, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * All points you made look good, and it might be better if you went ahead and made the changes yourself as it looks like you have it all set up and such. Tazz (talk) 19:28, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll try and change it myself. If my English or something with the script is bad, feel free to correct it. Karen —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.133.166.109 (talk) 11:36, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Now the changes are done. The first time I've edited an article, and not just added to the "talk"-page... Karen--84.133.166.109 (talk) 12:17, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks "A-ok" Karen, great job, thanks for your contribution. Tazz (talk) 14:07, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

New album?
I've been waiting for a while, but no one had referenced the statement that they have an album coming out in 2008. Can someone find that? Thanks for looking. My internet is very slow. 70.133.172.52 (talk) 03:36, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Not much info released on it, we can only confirm via their website that they have gotten together and are writing and recording. Other various media reports state men like Bushido have worked with them; but, all is up in the air as for concrete, offical info from them. Tazz (talk) 19:09, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Kokain
Why does 'kokain' redirects to Rammstein? I guess it is a prank, but I don't know how to fix it. Nemochovsky (talk) 11:18, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * One of their songs is called 'Kokain'. I guess that's why someone's put that link it.

--SaraFL (talk) 13:13, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Wrong Translation
"Reise, Reise" is translated as "Arise, Arise". "Reise" is the conjugated verb reisen, which means "to travel" whereas "to arise" translates as "erheben". This seems to be a mistake in the cited [5] unofficial translation. (German is my mothertongue). I did not intensively research the issue, but as this is an unofficial translation... 85.180.65.61 (talk) 15:43, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, thats the literal translation, but on herzeleid.com, it says that the phrase "reise, reise" dates back to a long time ago when sailors used to travel the world a lot, and that it meant "arise, arise", and that obviously fits in with the song (about the sea), so yeah, i'm not sure, but i'd probably keep it as it is. Grungedude22 (talk) 21:44, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * In the context of the album, and the part about the aircrew's cockpit alarm screaming "pull up!, pull up!," I suppose it's another of the band's word plays. Arise-travel-God knows what else gets lost in translation.  Dloh  cierekim  21:57, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

most recent revision
I decided to take it upon myself to edit the 'history' section, I added individual sections to it, as that is what was needed. Unfortunately I forgot to sign in so my IP address shows instead (81.111.0.7). this is not perfect, so I have left the banner for improving the article on there. Hopefully we can improve this yet further. sbgsus (talk) 16:03, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

iTunes Removal of All Albums but Mutter and Rosenrot?
A recent check of the iTunes store left me baffled—there were only two albums shown, Mutter and Rosenrot. Reise, Reise, Live Aus Berlin, and the countless EPs and Singles were nowhere to be seen. Videos for songs like Du Hast and Mein Teil remain, though their "parent albums" (as I suppose I shall call them) are not available there. I'm truly unsure of why this has occurred. If anyone here has any ideas as to why, I'd be glad to hear them. Awesome stick (talk) 14:56, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Very odd - I've just checked my iTunes, but all of their albums are available there; it might be different for different countries ≈  The Haunted Angel  20:50, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

What country are you from? I'm in the unsurprising U.S. and A, and I only see Mutter and Rosenrot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Awesome stick (talk • contribs) 20:56, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Rammstein is not metal
Rammstein is considered not metal by metal fans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.68.51.205 (talk) 20:19, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * You'd have to provide some sources, as I am a metal fan and do (and always have) considered them to be a metal band. Vincent Valentine 22:12, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Really?? You do realize that there are several types of metal(death, thrash,etc...). Critics and the band members and all its fans consider rammstein a metal band and so until you provide verifiable and impecable proof, i am going to just consider you a troll. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Killeroid (talk • contribs) 01:02, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well if you don't think they're metal then you're not a true metal fan. 122.107.178.246 (talk) 08:03, 10 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Rammstein ARE metal band, the band members speak about themselves as a metal or NDH, which is genre of european industrial metal. I'm metal fan and me(and my friends too) consider them metal. NordValkyria —Preceding undated comment added 09:33, 5 February 2010 (UTC).

Rammstein new album defintie info
Amazon has assigned an Amazon Standard Identification Number(ASIN) for the new album meaning they have definite info about the album. According to the album page on Amazon, the album is coming out on November 30th. So far this is the most credible source on the upcoming album's release date. --Killeroid (talk) 06:26, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

New single
An anonymous user just edited the article and added info that a first single from the album called "Licht" will be released in later September/October. However, there are no sources/references cited. Can someone please cite some sources/references? --Killeroid (talk) 16:58, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

rammstein is the best band ever !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.30.195.234 (talk) 16:26, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

NDH Vs Industrial
Some articles such as the singles or albums start with "X is the Xth album by ____ band Rammstein" with either NDH or Industrial being in the space, The articles should be the same I think, does anyone object to me changing them to Industrial Metal where they are different? --General Jazza (talk) 22:01, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

NDH IS a Industrial Metal subgenre, and all articles should be changed to NDH. 83.137.8.3 (talk) 07:25, 27 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't agree with you. NDH is a mixture between Metal guitars (rhythm guitars, maybe taken from the Groove Metal or Alternative Metal genres), modern Electronica sounds (Dance, Trance, Trip Hop beats or simple keyboard sounds) and German Rock music, also called "Deutschrock".
 * Industrial Metal is a completely other thing, a mixture between Thrash Metal guitars and Electro-Industrial music (such as Skinny Puppy, FLA etc.). Elements like sequencers, distorted vocals and samples from TV or radio stations are typical for the genre. There isn't really a relationship between NDH and Industrial Metal. Both genres use rhythm guitars from the Heavy Metal genre, that's all. Industrial Metal is much harsher, faster, straight and punky. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.134.0.255 (talk) 22:43, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Future upcoming album (2007 - Present)
About this Best Of album quote by Bushido - why are everyone thinking that Bushido meant literally, ""Best of" album, now!". To me, it seems more likely that he meant that this mentioned song might not be good enough to be put on Rammstein's Best of album some day. — mihhkel (talk) 20:46, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, from rumors I've heard the new album is going to be called Himmel. Rammstein1 (talk) 04:14, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

is anyone going to put up there new album? its been almost a year now i think... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.187.44.4 (talk) 19:55, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Dvds
Guys? Can you make a list of the bands dvd's? Think it's important!87.103.50.194 (talk) 18:37, 25 December 2008 (UTC)Tidus


 * It's listed under Rammstein discography ≈  The Haunted Angel  19:08, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Geez! duh! sorry bout that! :) thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.54.182.199 (talk) 22:25, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Since when Rammstein is heavy metal?
I'd like to know because they are an industrial hard rock band, not metal. Tom Lennox (talk) 23:14, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Rammstein is not heavy metal. I corrected to info box to be in line with the article text. --KAMiKAZOW (talk) 11:58, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Some slight edits...
Hey, i'm the original dude that added all the sub-sections in the history section. I edited some sentences that didn't make total sense today, I hope these are OK. I know it was June 2008 when I made that big edit, I just haven't got round to improving it. Hopefully I will be able to come back and re-word some more of it, because it still isn't perfect. Everything I wrote in the History section is from the Timeline on the official website, as that seems to be the only reliable source. I have cited this in the first sentence of each sub-category, please add more citation if it is needed. Also, seeing as the Timeline is translated from German, it isn't perfect English, so there are still grammatical errors and weird sentence structures. I figured we need to get this article in tip-top condition before the new album comes out, as there will be a boost in popularity of the page when it finally arrives. Cheers. sbgsus (talk) 22:24, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Final consensus on Genre(s)
The genre(s) listing in the infobox is an ever shifting edit war of (NDH) v. (NDH & Industrial Metal) v. (NDH & …) I would like to get an editor consensus here which we can then lay down as agreed-upon law in the article. Unless there's a non-majority, let's consider this issue closed as of 12.00 GMT on 12.Mar.09. Quaeler (talk) 10:44, 9 March 2009 (UTC)


 * NDH — IMO, Since the definition of NDH derives like NDH -> European Industrial Metal -> Industrial Metal, it seems that listing only NDH is most correct (and listing NDH & IM/EIM is redundant). Quaeler (talk) 10:44, 9 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Alrighty, thanks for everyone's input on this. NDH as the sole descriptor carries and i'll put an editor notice in the article in the appropriate spot. Quaeler (talk) 15:14, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The archives above appear to be dated well before this. So far, I only see your explanation and a three day span between the suggestion and the close of discussion.  Unless I am missing a discussion, I do not see a reached consensus.  In particular I came here today because in the past, as an editor, I had to revert a number of edits by someone who appeared to be on a crusade to convert articles about NDH-related artists to describing them as ONLY NDH, removing all other genres.  I came to see if that was the case this time.  I do see the point that NDH appears to be a subset of Industrial Metal, and that including both might be redundant.  However I have a few issues that I think bear considering:
 * From looking around for reviews and descriptions of Rammstein I find "progressive metal" comes up frequently. Unless progressive metal is an element in all NDH, it should be included in the sidebar.  If it is an element in all NDH, it needs to go into the NDH article.  - BalthCat (talk) 05:16, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * From cursory exploration (search engines) the prevalence of NDH as a term in English is not particularly common, and reviews tend to use the less specific genre, simply "industrial metal". I agree that a more specific term can still be notable, even if the general audience isn't aware of it.  In this case it appears to be sufficiently notable to include in the sidebar (especially as they are a prime example).  On the other hand, it is not the most common description for the band, and I suspect that the the average English speaking person who listens to, and buys, Rammstein CDs may not even be aware of that genre term.  As such, referring to them only as NDH, as if the reader should understand, makes for a weak article.  I believe that industrial metal could still be included in the sidebar without egregious redundancy.  Another suggestion, since they appear to include a lot of other influences (one might say from reading the article that dabbling outside their usual genres is a "style" of theirs), is to put "(other styles)" (linking to Rammstein#Style), which tells the reader they frequently use alternate styles, and encourages them to explore in depth.  This way you aren't redundant, and you maintain brevity and informativeness in the sidebar .  - BalthCat (talk) 05:16, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I seriously don't care; i just wanted a written ruling somewhere to reference when the daily asshat breezes by to whimsically change the genre to represent whatever their magic 8-ball said that day. If you have an impassioned view on to the matter, as you appear to be the only one who does enough to write it, please label it as you see fit. Just decide. Quaeler (talk) 05:30, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't listen to Rammstein or NDH, or any metal at all, for that matter. You should try monitoring List_of_gothic_rock_bands if you really want to know what frustration is.  Almost daily, some one tries to add HIM, Manson, Evancescence or somesuch that doesn't belong.  And they're all different IP users.  You can't ask them or tell them to stop.  It's just random people who find the site and decide to add their fave-band.  I wanted to request semi-prot but I was told it's not an appropriate case.  So this article could be worse off, all it needs is consensus.  - BalthCat (talk) 09:50, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh ya, i don't envy anyone who wants to patrol that page. So let's grab a consensus then. How about if we call it "Industrial Metal (Neue Deutsche Härte)" but keep the wikilink to NDH? (Again, i'm really open to anything - just want the consensus and a remotely logical reason for picking that choice)... Quaeler (talk) 16:38, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I almost suggested that, but figured it might be ugly and long in the sidebar. (Well actually I was going to suggest Neue Deutsche Harte (Industrial metal). ) I'd say progressive metal needs to be there too, considering heavymetal.about.com and allmusic.com both have it for them.  - BalthCat (talk) 05:49, 22 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, it verges on novella at that point though - no? "Neue Deutsche Härte (Industrial Metal), Progressive Metal" - i'm not sure the 'l' can even see the 'N' from there. ? Quaeler (talk) 06:28, 22 June 2009 (UTC)


 * <--outdenting
 * So has this topic once again died in the water? Quaeler (talk) 04:49, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry. Not quite as opinionated as I could be here, for once!  I think +Prog metal is definite.  Adding Industrial metal is ideal, but since it's a super-set of NDH, it would be redundant if you aren't making it an explanation of NDH, so it should look good.  I tried Industrial metal (Neue Deutsche Harte) and it bumped Harte to hte next line, which didn't look too bad.  The other option is a line-break and an indent. - BalthCat (talk) 10:23, 26 June 2009 (UTC),


 * Ok, so then "Progressive metal, Industrial metal (Neue Deutsche Härte)" — with a br after the comma, or not, the line breaking is a big bummer.. My infobox-foo fails to make the box wider despite using the sensible tags; i see it can be wider (Audioslave has a wider one with no obvious parameter difference, unless it's doing something snarky based on the aspect ratio of the underlying image). Perhaps we can somehow widen the infobox to make the line break in the Im(NDH) non-existent? Quaeler (talk) 19:15, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I think what you want to use is which will keep it from indenting and separating the words and make the infobox wider in this case. And progressive metal? Is that seriously being considered as one of their genres? I say no to this but anything can be added with sources. (as much to my dislike) What are these progressive metal findings you speak of? Can we review these? And always remember that even allmusic and other sources can be blatantly wrong and we can review these by a case-by-case basis if something is "out of place." Just because they list a band as "this genre" or "that genre" doesn't mean they are necessarily correct and maybe a bit 'label happy'. I can give examples of this if you're wondering. P.S. allmusic has been reviewed as a reliable source for this exact occurence before. Search "allmusic" in the archives at the WP:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. FireCrystal (talk) 23:21, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

The correct genre is Neue Deutsche Härte. NDH is NOT the same like Industrial Metal. Industrial Metal includes electronic distorted vocals and computer beats. Rammstein is only a Rockband with keyboards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.134.27.182 (talk) 20:07, 10 October 2010 (UTC)


 * This appears to be against the consensus. Please do not change the article unless a new consensus is reached. What you are saying here seems to be your own opinion, what we use here is reliable sources to determine genres. Rehevkor  ✉  20:20, 10 October 2010 (UTC)


 * This is not my own opinion. The result of the discussion last year was Neue Deutsche Härte, not Industrial Metal. Rammstein is not representative of the genre! --94.134.4.43 (talk) 10:01, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Sources and detailed genre descriptions:
 * Wolf-Rüdiger Mühlmann: Letzte Ausfahrt: Germania. Ein Phänomen namens Neue Deutsche Härte, ISBN 3-931-62412-9
 * Axel Schmidt, Klaus Neumann-Braun: Die Welt der Gothics: Spielräume düster konnotierter Transzendenz, ISBN 3-531-14353-0 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.134.4.43 (talk) 10:34, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I do not believe the consensus was just for NDH, as you seem to be interpreting it. But I'll let others chime in on this, I have no interest in getting into a genre discussion. Rehevkor ✉  16:28, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

They Really Seem to be Post Metal much more than Gothic metal (see: Post Metal article) 16:06, 14 December 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.109.127.172 (talk)

Genre warning
I didn't expect to explain anything past my edit summary but anyway... for starters see Down's page history. An ip has been removing genres from it continuously over time and I've warned him about his genre warring. I experienced it myself that admins can't final warn someone instantly just because they happen to remove or add genres into the infobox. It has to be a frequent occurrence with disregard of the notices. FireCrystal (talk) 23:31, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Advanced disclosure: i have a rather dim view on vandals. This issue, in my opinion, distills down to a more philosophical thing; if a person is explicitly told (with no ambiguity) "don't do this" and they do it anyway, why do they deserve graduated warnings? To my chagrin, even a 4im isn't instant condemnation, it is still a 2-warning system — the incompetent and nefarious alike can walk away and still do another edit. Quaeler (talk) 00:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * So is this in agreement that we remove the 4im warning? (doubting) or a suggestion that we keep it? Although true that they could just walk away, most would come back (as was with the case of the above ip) and change the reverted version and after much reverts be a candidate for a block (or indef) for frequent genre trolling edits. I'm not sure that admins can seriously enforce warnings in this way and for this kind of issue. It just looks like an unnecessary threat to normal users. If you can find something about this being acceptable then please do. Genres for bands are mostly trivial information anyway and the 4im warning I will most likely see are for biographic articles (depending on the seriousness of the content induced). Also, I said warn someone at level 4 instantly, not ban them. If this doesn't get changed then I'll say that I was just a little unsettled to see "will get a level 4im warning" within a hidden comment. FireCrystal (talk) 00:59, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm definitely on the side of keeping the 4im in the warning (and yes, i didn't mean to suggest that you were suggesting a scenario of instant banning (which is, to me, an ideal scenario)). There has been no warring over that line since the comment was added to the article; that being said, for the sake of curiosity, i'd agree to removing the 4im to see if it changes the behavior. Quaeler (talk) 02:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I shall be removing that just for a little experiment then? If that's ok (and final) with you. If any changes during this time then it should remain. FireCrystal (talk)

Meiwes Lawsuit
Hello!

In section "controversy", "videos" there is a statement "Meiwes [...] brought suit in January 2006 against the band for infringement of rights to the story. The outcome resulted in a loss for the band of $5.5 million."

However there is no source for either of the two facts. Bringing the case is covered by United Press International story German court bars showing of cannibal film. However it is very brief. It would be interesting to know, on what grounds the suit was brought.

The second sentence is unclear. One can't learn from it whether he won the case, there was a settlement or else. I'm personally interested in this, but couldn't find any material on that case.

--188.33.118.162 (talk) 19:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Please check sources before editing
User 174.23.87.152 removed information from this article stating: Deleted Laibach as stated as a cover, as Laibach disformed when Rammstein formed. Therefore impossible for Laibach to cover a Rammstein song. Reverted edit as this is verifiable not true. Rammstein formed in 1994, Laibach has released albums pretty regularly every two years. Please make sure your sources meet criteria before editing article.

Thanks.

--dashiellx (talk) 10:41, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

I have 3 CDs the article does not mention
I own 3 CDs that the article does not mention.

A Benzin remix CD with 17 remixed tracks. A 1994 demo that Rammstein recorded And a 1998 Remix CD with 14 tracks remixed.

Thanks. Liquinn (talk) 11:42, 14 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Can you give me some more detail (e.g. tracklistings, distributors) to see if I can look 'em up? (Sounds to me like they’re pirate copies.) — NRen2k5 (TALK), 18:43, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Body Doubles in Pussy Video
rammstein said several times, that they used body doubles for the sex scenes in the video. ,. just watch the video, and you'll see it yourself:. the critical parts starts ~13mins.--84.145.95.136 (talk) 08:32, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well the first source you give when asked if they were stand-ins the answer was "No comment.", so I'm not sure where you're coming from there. The second is in German (?) so I can't comment. Rehevkor ✉  14:26, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * An article in Revolver that has Rammstein on the cover states that were them throughout the whole video; and even mentioned that body-doubles being used in these scenes was a rumor. - Rammstein directly stated that was them to Revolver.  GunMetal Angel  20:50, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Article again says they used body doubles with the 20min source attached. Need a consensus on this. Rehevkor ✉  20:35, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Metal/rock
Okay, can we stop this please. So an edit war ensues, did anyone try to discuss it? No. So let's do so before someone gets blocked. It was rock originally, someone wants to change it to rock. Neither is right, metal can be considered a sub genre of rock. It seems to be a consensus to put "rock" in the lead to keep things simple and neutral (minimal statement of genre in lead), but I don't see metal as controversial enough to put in place. So, before this gets any more lamer can we please discuss this? Cheers. Rehevkor ✉  16:44, 26 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Sick its drope, cheers! --TheReaderOfOz (talk) 16:50, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Christ, what a fucking mess. Can we please discuss this now? Maybe we can start by clarifying why it has to be "rock" and why changing it has apparently become vandalism. Rehevkor ✉  21:14, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

As I said on the discussion for Korn: It should be "heavy metal", which I changed it to a little while ago. The reason for this is because "metal" isn't the proper name for the genre, the genre is called "heavy metal". If we call it a "metal" band that'd be like referring to Iron Maiden or Black Sabbath as "Sabbath" or "Maiden" on their pages.Ximmerman (talk) 00:22, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

I think it should be heavy/industrial metal. NordValkyria —Preceding undated comment added 13:16, 3 March 2010 (UTC).

I agree with Neue Deutsche Härte band. --Dreschler (talk) 02:33, 25 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Goodness, this again? I only check my watchlist every so often now, and this NDH stuff comes up again.  I've honestly never heard an English speaker refer to NDH.  As I said in the above discussions, a NUMBER of metal genres are used to refer to Rammstein, including heavy metal, progressive metal, industrial metal.  Most English press does NOT refer to Rammstein as NDH, no matter what the term's proponents wish.  As the talk section above, in which I participated, did not clearly indicate that the ONLY genre for the side-bar was NDH or that the lead paragraph was best as NDH, I am being bold and reverting them.  While Google is not law, results for rammstein +"neue deutsche" in English only are a mere twenty thousand, compared to 12 million for rammstein alone. This says something telling. - BalthCat (talk) 08:46, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Links 2-3-4 imagery
I just removed information that was wp: OR violation. the claim made was that the song referenced a book, the source for this information was a link to the book, which only proves the book exists not that it influenced the band, this is Original research. i also removed a section with a soucre in german which is self published. Smitty1337 (talk) 20:29, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds fair to me Rehevkor ✉  20:33, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Image
What's with the file? Can someone fix it, please? --Dreschler (talk) 02:27, 25 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, the sound files begin a double playback, the clip is played twice, overlapping. You must press pause to stop the second playback, you cannot influence the first playback. Please fix! Dürer³ (talk) 19:28, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Odd information
I dont understand the phrase "although a majority of rammstein songs are in german, rammstein has had success arounf the world". you dont see that kind of information on other band articles. thats like saying "although the beatles sing their songs in english, they have sold a billion albums around the world. That kind of wording is conflicting and needs to be removed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.118.218.184 (talk) 03:36, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not entirely sure you don't see similar statements. In Arthur H for example, there is a line which comments that he remains relatively unknown in the English-speaking world.  Perhaps something like "has had significant success beyond the German-speaking world." would be better.  - BalthCat (talk) 04:39, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes that does sound better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.179.9.71 (talk) 14:26, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Eisenmann
What is this thing about a leaked song called "Eisenmann?" It seems dubious to me. All I can find are obvious fakes on YouTube. Can anyone verify? J1.grammar natz (talk) 00:54, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

"Eisenmann" is a song from the german band http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanzwut, from their first album from 1999. They have nothing to do with Rammstein. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.226.200.39 (talk) 21:52, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Dead external links to Allmusic website – January 2011
Since Allmusic have changed the syntax of their URLs, 1 link(s) used in the article do not work anymore and can't be migrated automatically. Please use the search option on http://www.allmusic.com to find the new location of the linked Allmusic article(s) and fix the link(s) accordingly, prefereably by using the Allmusic template. If a new location cannot be found, the link(s) should be removed. This applies to the following external links: --CactusBot (talk) 19:17, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=A6s27gjyr16ix

Industrial Metal
Wrong source. The source in the infobox says Neue Deutsche Härte. Proof it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.134.27.214 (talk) 21:37, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Pronunciation?
From the article: "German pronunciation: [ˈʀamʃtaɪ̯n]) " . Do the Germans really pronounce this "ramff - tain" and not "ram - steen" or "rahm - stine" ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.92.174.105 (talk) 20:22, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Pronunciation information is given in IPA. If you click the pronunciation link, you'll get some more info. The German /ʃ/ sound is close to English "sh". In English spelling, Rammstein would be something like "rahmshtine", or the like. Jalwikip (talk) 10:49, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

your english "a" is often pronounced like our "ä"

but for example in the word "garden" you pronounce the "a" like we Germans do (Garten in German)

however the "a" in Rammstein is pronounced very short because of the "mm".

Stein --> you would pronounce this like "shtine"

Greatest Hits CD not mentioned?
I have a Greatest Hits CD, published(?) by Motor Music, and I believe it was made in 2009, however I can't tell since near all the writing is in Russian. It has two CD's with 19 songs each. However, on the back of the case where it lists the songs, on disk 2 song 3, the back lists the song as Feuer Frei!, however the actual song is Dalai Lama. And when I ripped the album onto my computer, every song on the first disk was listed as a different Rammstein song than what it really was. I bought the Greatest Hits CD new and they contain songs from every album, including Liebe ist für Alle da. If someone could clear this up for me, it would be much appreciated. I think that this may hold almost no reference to Rammstein themselves, but I can't find any information anywhere on this album and it isn't mentioned on the list of albums from Rammstein. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Metallicanofawesome (talk • contribs) 09:32, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

rammstein is techno-metal band, not industrial metal
because they are playing Neue Deutsche Harte music, an mixture of heavy metal with electronica and techno, not industrial. Additionally NDH has nothing to do with industrial metal --82.139.5.13 (talk) 18:12, 26 April 2012 (UTC)


 * These idiots will never understand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.244.64.142 (talk) 22:37, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Neue Deutsche Härte is not a genre
This has been bugging me for a while: I think that the genre on the band's page and on all their albums' pages should stay as only "industrial metal". NDH is a cultural movement, much like the NWOBHM (and if you go to the pages of bands like Iron Maiden, Diamond Head etc. you'll notice that it isn't listed as their genre). ScindoLuna (talk) 12:06, 9 July 2012 (UTC) agreed, i think that genre should be replaced with either hard rock or alternative metal — Preceding unsigned comment added by I call the big one bitey (talk • contribs) 07:06, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Marilyn Manson
Associated acts - Marilyn Manson? I have to say I don't associate Marilyn Manson with Rammstein. I know they've performed together, but is there more to it than that? I didn't see anything in the article. Lithium (talk) 22:38, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Article should support the association, which at the moment it doesn't, so it should go until it does or there is a consensus otherwise.  Я ehevkor ✉  23:31, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Covers/Adaptations
The line about Torsten Rasch's adaptation "Mein Herz brennt" was removed as non-notable. I think this has a place in the article, since the composer is notable and the tracks have been featured on several Rammstein singles. I can find a good reference, if that's all it takes to put it back? Lithium (talk) 12:06, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Rammstein Controversy
I brought back the section of Rammstein's controversy in regards to violent events. This section was removed in June 2011 for unknown reasons. Since this has been a big part of band's career, I added it back. I am not trying to discredit the band. I just think it's necessary this topic be mentioned here.

--UnknownLegacy (talk) 00:33, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Hard to assess the text without the sources, you've copy pasted the text from the old article but not the sources themselves (just leaving the "[43]" tags).  Я ehevkor ✉  09:54, 4 December 2014 (UTC)