Talk:Randstad

Schematic map of the Randstad
This image is very, very good. I didnt know linking in different areas of an image was possible here. Kudos to the author. 146.139.132.18 17:28, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not schematic, though, is it? It looks pretty conventional. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pauldanon (talk • contribs) 16:53, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

A4 extension
Although I agree the A4 should be extended, this has been part of ferocious political debate for decades. Stating that it is long overdue would be in contrast with wikipedia's neutral point of view policy. So I slightly reworded the text.

Randstad
Randstad is also the name of a flexible staffing agency. Started in 1960 by student Frits Goldschmeding working from his student room, it has grown into a global company that spans 16 countries, employing over 13,500 people who put over 225,000 people to work daily. A significant contributor to labor market developments over the decades, and a successful example of Dutch innovation. Perhaps something to include in Wikipedia NL site? see: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randstad_%28uitzendbureau%29 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randstad_Holding

westland
In the map the municipality Westland, Netherlands is part of the Randstad, but not in the article. As far as i know Westland is *not* a part of the Randstad, being a agriculture-area mostly. Should the map be corrected? effeietsanders 11:40, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Westland is the most buildup area ever to be referred to as an agriculture-area. On a map (See google earth) is is nearly completly buildup, with, indeed a lot of agricultrural buildings.
 * I'd rather refer to Westland as an agro-industrial area. Secondly, with a population of a 100k for the municipality and a mean density of about 1.25k/sq.km. it's by no means rural. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.210.126.107 (talk) 19:12, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Name: Randstad or 'Crescent city'
Randstad is the name, that's clear. But why would you try to translate it. It should be a ridiculous idea to translate the names of Chinese cities into English. So why translate Randstad in 'crescent city'?


 * Translating into Crescent City seems particularly odd, I would sggest somehting along the lines of
 * The cities of the Randstad form an edge surrounding an open central space, called the Green Heart (Groene Hart).
 * A translation of Randstad (Dutch language) could be Rim City. But Edge City would be fine as well, so why the crescent?


 * In a previous version of the article, the name was explained by
 * The cities of the Randstad form more or less a chain. This chain gave the Randstad its name (Rand is Dutch for edge, Stad for city). The area that is surrounded by the larger cities is called the Green Heart (Groene Hart).Falcongj 16:40, 6 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I have changed Rim City to Edge City because of the connotation to [] Haec (talk) 17:55, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Isn't the whole thing a fond notion? The area looks like a random arrangement of towns with bits of countryside in between. The edge or rim thing is hard to discern. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pauldanon (talk • contribs) 16:55, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Amersfoort
Since when has Amersfoort been a part of the Randstad? Bikerams 17:54, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
 * And then I read further .... hot issues 'Brabant Stad, betuwe Stad'. These hot issues are so hot few in Amsterdam have heard of them. However, that might be because I don't get out of the Randstad that much. If somebody can provide me with a source for these claims, I'll tidy the English up ... otherwise, it's a candidate for scrapping. Bikerams 18:03, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

agglomeration / conurbation
I looked up the definition of the two words and found that conurbation describes the Randstad better. Then tidied up the English, removed speculation and in some cases wishful thinking -- Branbantstad and Betuwe-stad, Alkmaar-Hoorn-Lelystad... as an agglomeration. (Apart from these three towns being far too small, the IJsselmeer and a 30 km dike seperates the former from the later). Where possible I have reinstated the npov. Bikerams 07:49, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Given all the countryside in this area, can it really be called either? Isn't it just some towns close to each other with rather a lot of fields in between?

Economic engine of EU?
"Together with the agglomerations of the Ruhr Area, Antwerp, Brussels, Paris agglomeration, the Greater London Area, and several 'smaller' urban areas such as Lille-Kortrijk and Maastricht-Liege-Aachen, it is the economic engine of the EU. This area is also the most urbanized area of the EU, with a total of around 50 million inhabitants."

I think this part i normative and reflects Dutch selfperception. Instead of this "Blue Banana"-talk, t would be more proper to follow and relate to wikis own list list of european metropolitan areas by grp which includes Milan, Manchester, Hamburg and a lot other areas
 * What do "i normative" and "Dutch selfperception" mean, please?

Randstad borders.
"others would say that areas such as Alkmaar-Hoorn, Arnhem-Nijmegen and Eindhoven-Tilburg-Breda-Den Bosch are also part of this conurbation." All of these cities are considered part of the Randstad by no one. In The Netherlands there is quite a concensus that the Randstad consists of (almost) all of the province of South-Holland, the province of Utrecht (except for the eastermost part) and North-Holland south of around the line Castricum-Purmerend. Possibly Almere (in Flevoland province) and some communities in Gelderland (like Culemborg) could be included. But really, no single person in Arnhem, Nijmegen, Eindhoven or Tilburg would say he lives in the Randstad. 94.212.19.34 (talk) 00:23, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree that this quote is stretching it, but in Alkmaar or Lelystad plenty of people would say they live in the Randstad, and Almere definitely has very strong ties to the Randstad, both cultural and economical. Junuxx (talk) 11:52, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism
At 17:59, 28 October 2010, user 194.171.56.13 improved this part by deleting those cities that do not form part of the Randstad. Junuxx undid this edit and referred to it as vandalism, which is obviously not the case. I will restore the edit made by 194.171.56.13. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alwetendewijsgeer (talk • contribs)


 * Sorry, but you are not correct. It most definitely was vandalism, take another look here. 194.171.56.13 only inserted obscenity in the map, not improvements. Junuxx (talk) 05:05, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

June 16th 2013, There has been a little more vandalism since June 12th and i have corrected it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.86.104.204 (talk) 03:00, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Randstad population bubble map
Though very clear and illustrative (I like it), the bubble map seems a little outdated and maybe not particularly suited to the specific circumstances in the Randstad area. The 30k pop. lower limit leaves out quite a few suburbs (of for example Leiden, the area I know best) which are actually part of the built-up area of larger conurbations (as in grown-together with a larger city). The Randstad happens to contain quite a few of these smaller municipalities which, though small are nevertheless an important part of the (sub)urban fabric of the area. A lower limit of 10k to 15k would give a much better indication while retaining clarity. Especially since 10k lies around the lower limit for municipalities in NL. Secondly The Hague has the wrong hue: the population of The Hague proper has been over 500.000 for a while now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.210.126.107 (talk) 19:00, 2 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the feedback, I made that map and I'll try to update it someday. The 30,000 limit was primarily to limit the amount of time it would take to make it, as I started with the largest cities, and the number of bubbles to place and check increases exponentially with lower limits. Junuxx (talk) 12:44, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Randstad population
I saw in http://www.randstadregion.eu/uploads/2017/07/randstad-monitor-2016.pdf that the Randstad has more than 8 million inhabitants, but this article says 7.1 million. Where did that number come from?

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