Talk:Randy Orton/Archive 1

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"This feud is expected to run till Survivor Series for a Buried Alive match."

Shouldn't this be deleted, as later in the article, it states that this won't happen?
 * Don't worry I cleaned it up --- Paulley 14:58, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Are these really legends
=="Legend Killings"==


 * Rob Van Dam - 12/14/03


 * Booker T - 12/29/03


 * Chris Benoit - 8/15/04

RVD has never had the WWE or WHW titles. He will one day be a legend but I don't think he is one yet. BOOKER T has held the WCW WHW title 5 times and has had a ton of championship reins but I wouldn't call him a legend yet either. CHRIS BENIOT is the closest one to a legend out of the 3 but I don't think he is there yet either. So I'm going to remove them from the list of legends killed. If anyone disagrees please let me know. Knowledge Of Self  |  talk  22:21, 19 December 2005 (UTC)


 * RVD is an ECW legend, holding the ECW World Television Championship for about 2 years
 * Booker T is a 23-time WCW Champion(World,US,Television,tag) making him an WCW legend
 * Chris Benoit is known throughout the world as a great wrestler, has held every major WWF/WWE/WCW title, making him a legend of professional wrestling

Those 3 people are included on Randys legends killed t-shirt that the wwe produce thats where most of the legends on the list have come from, so if the WWE have put them down as legends on there then they are legends, but in my mind they are legends anyways (Lil crazy thing 23:18, 19 December 2005 (UTC))


 * I'd like to think we have a higher standard than the WWE :-D Knowledge Of  Self  |  talk  23:24, 19 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Orton's list is final. Wikipedia does not have a position on whether the named individuals are legendary or not; the list is for people who Orton has referred to as legends and subsequently insulted / attacked. McPhail 23:42, 19 December 2005 (UTC)


 * What I think is technically Booker T & Chris Benoit has never been "promoted" to legend status. RVD has been "promoted" to legendary status per the video game Legends of Wrestling. By promoted I mean, has ever been mentioned as or been called a legend. I have never seen where Booker T or Benoit has had that merit, yet. Not to say they aren't legends of thier own time, but not legends yet. But on another note, I dont think that a list of people that Randy Orton has given the RKO to is hardly worth Encylcopedic value. Thats like listing every time Shawn Michaels has given someone Sweeet Chin Music. That list could hypothetically go one for a very, very long time, I think should be removed. — M o e   ε  23:46, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
 * How can you say the list is final? Is Orton never going to add an other legend to that list? Before you say something like that consider this please. Orton has RKO'd HHH, Chris Jericho, Batista and Edge as well. If you include RVD, Booker T, and Chris Benoit, you'd have to include HHH, CJ, Batista, and Edge. The Legend Killer gimick of Randy Orton's is based upon the "legends" he has RKO'd, you might as well include every wrestler he's ever RKO'd, which would include Shawn Micheals, Kane, Rey Mistero, as well, do you see my point? That list should only have "legends" not every good wrestler he's ever RKO'd. Knowledge Of Self  |  talk  23:48, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
 * If the wrestler's name is on the list, they are a "legend". If Orton called them a legend, then they are a legend. Whether or not you or I consider them to be a legend is irrelevant, as that would be a value judgment. McPhail 23:58, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
 * It would probably be better just to remove the list. I agree with KnowledgeofSelf though. There are better wrestlers than Benoit, RVD and Booker that he gave the RKO to. If you add RVD and others you would have to add everyone. I also agree with McPhail because if he calls them a "legend", thier a legend. But, all this list is causing is confrontation whether or not someone is a legend or not and would a better off removed. — M o e   ε  00:02, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Hmm I personally think this issue should be revisited. The Legend Killer is Ortons main gimmick. Orton is booed by fans because of his disrespect towards legends of the business. This section should be re-debated. I plan on finding a list of the legends he has killed from WWE. That would clear this up. In the meantime, we should add a temporary list of the outright legends he has killed until i can get this list. Thanks if you support this. Killswitch Engage

k, dont let this get out of control. Only outright legends for now.Killswitch Engage

With respect mate I'd have to disagree with looking at Orton's list of legends killed on WWE, I mean it lists Undertaker. Ok he did win two matches against Taker but Taker won the feud, therefore I would say Taker's legend was not killed by Orton. I personally think if we're going to add a "Legends killed" list it should be limited to 'legends' Orton won feuds/mini-feuds against. Night Bringer 13:54 30th Sept 2006 (GMT +10)

I (Alex) say Chris Benoit is a legend but he was not so called killed by Orton. Really, Chris Benoit killed Orton by making Orton tap out by the Crossface an the pin fall when he done The Diving (Flying) Headbutt!

The next night after Orton won the World Title he had a rematch against Benoit, he would lost because the crossface was locked in but Evolution interfered. Also, when did Orton "kill" Booker T

Look, why don't we make "Legend" anyone in the WWE Hall Of Fame?

Randy gets married in fall!!!
Guys! Randy is getting married in the fall! Look under link 36 in his artcile and read it!! -GD1223 31 May 07

randy & fiancee break up -rko_girl  22 June 07

Eric Bischoff
Does Eric Bischoff count as a legend that Orton has killed. I just saw a video on WWE.com that showed Orton telling Eric that beating WWE when he was in WCW in the ratings for 88 months made him somewhat of a legend. Can someone clarify this for me?? --Killswitch Engage 04:23, 10 March 2006 (UTC)Killswitch Engage


 * Re: 88 months is a bit...off...isnt it?

IT WAS 88 WEEKS

whoops sorry my bad 88 weeks. I was pretty tired when i asked that.

lol was WCW even around for that long?

Legends Killed List
Hi, i decided to leave a list of legends i know Orton has killed.sry if i left any out. --Killswitch Engage 04:58, 10 March 2006 (UTC)Killswitch Engage

I have removed the list of legends because, 1. it wasnt listed correctly and 2. If you take notice of the above conversation you will see the dicussion and why it was removed. Please do not add it again. (Lil crazy thing 14:13, 11 March 2006 (UTC))

It has been readded. Why? AWBricker 04:43, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Because i added a temporary list with the outright legends until i can get a hold on the complete list.

Move Change
Iv'e also decided to remove the Super R.K.O. because he never uses it. --Killswitch Engage 05:17, 10 March 2006 (UTC)Killswitch Engage
 * I'm reinserting it because he's used it on a few occasions. He's used it more recently than the Overdrive, or the wheelbarrow suplex which he has never once performed outside of OVW. --Antrophica 17:54, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I have removed Ortons Wheelbarrow suplex because he has never used it outside of OVW. --Killswitch Engage 04:57, 11 March 2006 (UTC)Freestyle


 * Do not do this. The article is an account of Orton's career as a whole, not just his WWE career. McPhail 14:54, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but there is very litle to no information on Ortons career in OVW. --Killswitch Engage 21:44, 11 March 2006 (UTC)Freestyle


 * The whole point of Wikipedia is to create articles giving a comprehensive overview of the person, event, etc. in question. We want facts about Orton's entire career, not just the last few years. McPhail 22:55, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

The acronym for RKO...could that be another version of TKO, or Technical Knock-Out? (O)

Isn't the reason for "RKO" listed in the trivia section just a fan's guess? BoosterBronze 18:12, 26 April 2006 (UTC)BoosterBronze

It is actually his initials...Randy Keith Orton...-[howdyalikemenow?]

Article Size
This article is a frequent target for unregistered or new editors to add a week-by-week synopsis of the subject's in-ring career. This is irrelevant to an encyclopedic article. More experienced good-faith editors should watch for irrelevant additions to this article that will only serve to make it larger and harder to edit for style, clarity, and grammar. - Chadbryant 19:59, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well you know what its like on here... all the edits go week-by-week for guys in WWE and TNA yep all other wrestler articles go untouched... for most cases its good to wait until someone is out of the lime light then have a massive overhaul on the whole article. But when it comes to to wrestlers like Orton its best to leave it for three weeks until these random editors forget about that episode/feud then cut down... (it's kinda like a goldfish's memory) -- Paulley 17:00, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Theme Music
Should we scrap the info of changing his theme music, because it seems he has gone back to his older music. It's also irrelevant to his biography. Perry 17:48, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I reckon we keep it. A wrestler's entrance theme is relevant to his biography. --Antrophica 06:26, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It seems he's doing what Triple H is presently doing on RAW, using the new theme in some instances to promote the "Wreckless Intent" CD but still keeping the older music (which, IMHO, the reason being is both older themes fit them better). Mattbwn


 * Randy Orton has not used the new theme music on any occasionapart for about a week on wwe.com

so the last guess was wrong, the first I think was undoubtedly correct. K-man-1

It should be noted that Randy Orton used a production piece entitled "Blastin'" as his first theme song when he initially entered the WWE as a babyface.

Easy on the Controversy Changes
Let's take it easy on changing the whole first paragraph of the article to reflect Randy Orton being an "infamous" character outside of the ring. This edit is likely based on an overzealous edit based on the news that broke today on the WWE.com Mobile Phone service that said Orton had been suspended for 60 days due to "unprofessional conduct." Personally I question the authenticity of this has WWE.com and its services have been known to walk a sketchy line of mixing kayfabe and shoot in the past and this might be just that. I would encourage waiting until the Friday Night Smackdown taping airs OR until the news is officially announced on WWE.com.

Orton has faced allegations in the past of hazing WWE Divas which so those reports have sustance but it is a pretty common practice in the WWE locker rooms as wrestling fans know from the reports that float around of Bob Holly and JBL's behavior. I don't think two allegations and a suspension that hasn't been universally confirmed serve to move the focus on Orton's article so heavily to questionable content. At least not yet. --Mattbwn 09:24, 04 April 2006 (EST)

can someone please lock this soon
All of the edits regarding his subspension are getting way out of hand.

lol yeah but some are funny!


 * I've locked the article. Anonymous anonymous 13:17, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Kockmaster ("boston pancake")? I suggest someone to unlock the article, change his name back to normal and lock it again.--Gusiman 21:09, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

60 Day Suspension
I've heard that Orton was suspended due to the results of his recent drug test... OutRider2003 16:38, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, I'm not sure this "suspension" is even real. There is rumour that the King of the Ring tournament is being revived and that Orton will be in it starting next week in a match against Kurt Angle.--Killswitch Engage 02:35, 7 April 2006 (UTC)Killswitch Engage

You claim it's drugs?? That's a serious accusation... and if it's ok to claim that on the internet then maybe it's because CHRIS BENOIT ABUSED SOME KIDDIES WHILE SMOKING CRACK BUT ORTON GOT THE BLAME!!!??? Hey if you can get away with accusing people of drug abuse then i can accuse them of child abuse... MAYBE IT WAS -YOU- OUTRIDER2003 THAT ABUSED THE KIDDIES!!!
 * Somebody get this guy banned PLEASE! Normy 01:15, 8 April 2006 (UTC)


 * For what? I'm not doing anything worse than what other 'respected' users are doing - they're accusing Orton of drug abuse - that's a serious accusation... so if you're gonna ban me for making a point then you should ban them as well.

Ok, I'm really starting to think this suspension is kayfabe. Ortons facing Kurt Angle next week, a full week after his supposed suspension starts.KE

If it were kayfabe then the suspension would be acknowledged on-screen too. It makes no sense to report a suspension on the official website then have Orton still be wrestling... The suspension is expected to begin AFTER Smackdown next week...


 * KE, Orton's suspension starts April 12 so he'll probably get beat on Smackdown. The suspension is about his behaviour backstage, see below in the "Abuse to women" section. Normy 07:43, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Smackdown! is pre-recorded so Orton can face Angle before his suspension starts. Night Bringer

Yes, I understand that. I made a slight error in my calculation of the date and am owning up to it. Once again, I apologize to any who were pissed off by my comment.KE P.S.: When you refer to me, please refer to me by my full username.

Anon:

My addition about Orton's "injury" being a work and a part of kafaybe was deleted, and I'd like to know why. His ankle is NOT BROKEN, even if it came from that oh so legitimate source, the WWE - that and my addition about how the reason for his suspension has not been revealed, which is true. I think there should be a little liberty with what we're going to write- it's a known fact that the injury is a work

I concur, this whole "kafaybe" nonsense is derogatory and makes the articlee appeal more to "marks", sheep who think wrestling is real. The article holds NO MERIT until kafaybe and the more reallistic aspects of Orton's life are reflected equally. You better have your fingers on the lock option boys, the truth is coming your way the instant you fracking take it off.

-Dr. RKZ

I heard the Pain Clinic Wrestling talk radio show this morning, they were saying something about Randy putting his feces in a bag of a another wrestlers. Also that this wasn't the first time and it was done to a woman the other time. They were stating that the 60 day suspension was only the minimum and they felt possibly that Randy will be gone for a lot longer then that, if they bring him back at all. (April 15, 2006) Joe

I read on www.Rajah.com that the 60 day suspension was originally for drugs, but was extended to be an indefinite suspension - hence the storyline addition of Randy having his ankle broken (to help explain why he's still off TV after 60 days). Rumours are floating that Randy wanted to leave WWE, but WWE are going to make spend the rest of his 3 year contract off TV, so that by the time he becomes eligable to sign for a competitor like TNA, the hype and interest around him would have worn down. (April 18, 2006), Gil


 * Enough with the Bullshit false rumours, one's stupider than the other.

In the September 2006 edition of the new WWE magazine, in an interview with Orton, He states, "My problems came to s head when I decided to smoke a joint and someone smelled it and stooged me off."

Abuse to Women
Once this article is unlocked, do you think it is worth having a section about how much he abuses women backstage? This has sort of become a regular issue with Orton so I believe it should be a subsection added to his Personal Life section. If not at least add this to the article once it's unlocked. Edit it slightly if it isn't up to scratch:

Orton has been fined by WWE multiple times for using the “C-word” to insult women behind the scenes in WWE, however has not taken it seriously. His attitude towards WWE’s rules and punishment is said to be what got him suspended this time.

"He's lucky he didn't get fired. He has a lot of growing up to do. It was just stupid - disrespectful to the boys and the company." Says one WWE source about his latest incident. "Undertaker despises him, and Ric Flair, Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit, and even Triple H have grown tired of his act. They barely tolerate him."

Orton’s disrespectful treatment of women is said to be what has turned most people backstage against him. As previously reported, he is the most disliked person in the locker room right now. Normy 01:14, 8 April 2006 (UTC)


 * No rumours, please. McPhail 18:05, 8 April 2006 (UTC)


 * What is the "C-word"?

CUNT69.86.100.164 02:22, 9 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't feel this is needed. It's just a rumor.

Fair enough, this section can probably needed seeing as this issue is solved. Normy 07:44, 10 April 2006 (UTC)


 * i do not think a section like that should ever be added, there is no proof at all that randy has "abused" women, there has only been one confirmed thing that was the business with rochelle but it was later found out he had said sorry. Anything else is just rumours, people just love to start this stuff with randy, there is no creditible site that has said this actually happened, if it had done dont you think it would be out there and randy could be faces charges. Untill it is 100% comfirmed do not believe everything news sites say they make up anything just for you to visit and people are fulling for it Lil crazy thing 12:51, 23 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Ridiculous. Christian Slater has a confirmed history of being abusive to women and you don't see a section dedicated to that. --Antrophica 19:11, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Personally I think it should be included.(Halbared 11:08, 8 June 2006 (UTC))

Suspension Update
Randy Orton's suspension is actually an indefinite suspension, and there is the possibility that he may not be brought back at all. It's not likely that Randy Orton will be fired as WWE want to retain him for the sole purpose of keeping him away from TNA, and thus WWE plan on keeping him under contract until it expires. However, they will pay him the smallest amount of money possible in the meantime. Also, there are some people in WWE who believe that Orton could benefit from some professional counseling.


 * Do you have any sources for all of this? --Naha|(talk) 03:43, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I myself learned that you can find the story at this site. Might be spyware there though, I dunno. Just a warning. --Robbie 06:21, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Ahh yes, I see all that info is spread between a couple different stories. I wish it could be verified somehow though. "Some say" and "sources say" ..bleh.
 * And yes, there is spyware on that website, I had Norton block a couple things as soon as the page loaded. --Naha|(talk) 04:36, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't trust WrestleZone. Look for more reputable sites. OsFan 16:25, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I tend to agree. --Naha|(talk) 18:55, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I found more on it here, and here, but I don't know how trustworthy 411 Mania and NoDQ are considered to be. Also, those articles just appear to repeat what most others say. And yeah, spyware alert.--Robbie 21:51, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that site is far from anything resembling real reporting. nodq.com ...well, lets just say it quickly blocked 33 popups upon clicking the link. Come on people, any info like this that goes into the article has to come from a credible source. Its really not even worth mentioning otherwise.--Naha|(talk) 02:04, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

There is NO creditable source to comfirm that, all it is, is rumours all wrestling news sites are the same, one will post it then the other will copy and post it aswell. WWE.com stated it was 60days only nothing was said about it being indefinate and him not coming back. If randy wasn't coming back don't you think storyline wise they would of made it more serious instead of a broken ankle. Lil crazy thing 12:47, 23 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Thats basically what I was saying. Its hearsay - all the sites that have stories like the ones linked above don't have any sources to back them up, because there are not any. --Naha|(talk) 17:28, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

On the WWE website if you go to Power 25 and click on April 15, 2006 it says "Randy Orton After three huge losses in a row and a broken ankle, The Legend Killer is dropped from the POWER 25, capping what many believe to be his worst run as a professional yet." can that be of any importance here.


 * Eh. What I find interesting is the fact that WWE made it clear that the reason Orton was leaving for awhile was due to suspension - but then other things they have done made it seem like he was written out for awhile just via storyline - like the losses and the broken ankle etc. However, taking him out of the POWER 25 goes back to the suspension. --Naha|(talk) 13:23, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Clear and concise language
Does it really need saying he wrestled in the "antepenultimate" match at WM 22? Does it matter, and is it clear and concise language (I know what it means, but it does seem needless). Was the previous match on the card listed as the "preantepenultimate" match? If it's not the first or last match on the card, does placement really even need to be discussed? BoosterBronze 18:11, 26 April 2006 (UTC)BoosterBronze

Since no one seems to want to defend the phrasing of "antepenultimate" I'm going to go and remove it for clarity's sake. BoosterBronze 15:33, 28 April 2006 (UTC)BoosterBronze


 * Posting this question at the bottom of the talk page under a new heading, as is procedure, might have led someone to see it and respond ;) (Going to do that now) As far as I am concerned, no - it is not clear and concise language and should be changed. I changed it once, someone put it back. I didn't want to start an edit war over something so minor so I left it alone, but still support its removal. --Naha|(talk) 15:43, 28 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I added it originally. I don't have any real objection to it being removed, but I did think it was worthwhile mentioning where on the card the match was. The logical assumption otherwise would be that the match was the main event or second from main event. It's also notable in that Mysterio is the first Royal Rumble winner since 1999 to not challenge for the world title in the main event, i.e. the last match of the evening; again, a casual reader would then possibly assume that the match, given that it contained the Rumble winner, would by way of tradition be the main event. It's not important either way, though. McPhail 18:55, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

'Antepenultimate' is considered a difficult word? :-( It's one word, and it describes the match's position clearly. I support it being put back in. --Antrophica 10:13, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * What is the target education level for an encyclopedia reader? Honestly I don't know. The answer to that question, however, should resolve this debate. It's not a commonly-used term, and I don't expect the average layperson to know it. I'd guess that the word would probably be considered above college level. In regards to feeling the need to point out the match's position, regardless of what the match was for, it really doesn't matter where on the card it fell, only the results are relevant. --Naha|(talk) 18:06, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

If people's literacy skills are so mediocre they don't konw what Antepenultimate means, they really to drop of the encyclopedia and return to kindergarden - btw, does the word "Encyclopedia" scare them too?


 * Why would you expect a very little-used word to be commonly known? I just did a googgle search for it, and it only turned up 105,000 hits. --Naha|(talk) 17:17, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

This will sound stupid, but what does it mean? I just got out of 9th grade and spent most off my time thinking of wrestling.Yugioh73036 03:12, 21 June 2006 (UTC)Yugioh73036


 * Third from last. McPhail 14:41, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Randy killed?
Is this some kind of a sick joke? Please cite a source if this is not false!

Randy Orton was killed?


 * all it was, was a sick joke Lil crazy thing 10:48, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

CPG
Randy orton had one of the longest reign with the Intercontinenal belt. 9 months.thats good and so............. he is the best

Return
How has Orton returned? Isn't he still suspended? User:Killswitch Engage


 * I think it's cause the WWE is in crisis with it's rosters at the moment they had little choice but to bring Orton back cause a lot of talent is down at the moment. Night Bringer

Raw or Smackdown?
I have read on internet sites he's moved to Raw.

Also *SPOILERS* He was not on Smackdown this week. As of June 7th, the brand he appeared on last was Raw.


 * post the link to the exact site then, he has not been moved to raw he is a smackdown wrestler, unless wwe.com states his been moved then he hasn't. Not being on smackdown this week has nothing to do with it. He only appeared on raw because he went to attack angle that is all. Do not change it unless wwe.com states his moved. Lil crazy thing 20:17, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Burned...  Perry 01:38, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Sometimes the words 'I told you so' just don't quite cut it.


 * do you think i'm bothered......no say what you want but at the time i was right saying i told you so is wrong because he wasn't a raw member at the time, cos when you was changing it he was still a smackdown wrestler. You only change what roster there on when it has been annouced not before, like you was doing. Lil crazy thing 11:02, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Shh...I said he was a Raw superstar and posted it here TWO HOURS before he admitted he was a raw superstar. Say what you want: THAT WAS ONE ACE CALL BY ME!!!!

A Degenerate?
Orton to join d-x now hes on raw? rumors say its true

No way man ;) --DannyPeep 19:40, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

That would be a pretty good DX but I don't think they'll do it since it runs into his legend killer gimmick. But he WAS in evolution so there's always room for possibilities. Debt Jr.

Injured?
Did Orton injure his wrist on Tuesday on ECW? He looked like he actually hurt it.Yugioh73036 19:33, 22 June 2006 (UTC)Yugioh73036


 * He actually aggravated his shoulder which he has had multiple surgeries on in the past.--Trick man01 17:58, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

All they had to do was to reset his shoulder. Nothing really became of it. He popped it out the socket when he did his signiture leg breaker. It must of pop out due to his hypersenstivity.

NPOV violation
"Due to his superior in-ring skills"? "Polished showmanship on the mike"? "Highly effective promo"? Not only are those all laughable, but they're not remotely NPOV. I'm taggin' it. ekedolphin 04:53, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

This Picture
I'm sorry but this picture does not represent Randy Orton in a very good way. Just look at it, he looks fat and old! Can someone please change it??!! - Yasmin.

Any replacement image must be public domain or freely-licensed. --Yamla 22:12, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Then again, Randy's body looks a bit slimmer than before back in 2005/2004.

I agree it needs changed - Elephantine

WP:CIVIL
Remain civil, please. RadioKirk (u|t|c)  20:57, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Smoking??
This has been posted on www.wrestlezone.com http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/yaszie/RANDYWHATRRUUDOIN.jpg [IMG]http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/yaszie/RANDYWHATRRUUDOIN.jpg[/IMG]

He's a smoker. It should be put under personal life as its unusual for an athlete like him.

Why is he smoking!! I dont get it. Hes 26years old and hes an athlete!! Its not good for him!!! He has addmited he does smoke on MySpace aswell. Yes it should be put on his personal life!! I cant believe it!! Randy wat r u doing!!User: Tash4johncena 12.08pm, 15th December 2006

Guys seriously thats sad, we dont go around saying Triple H doesnt drink beer now do we, I persoanlly think that personal information should be limited to family matters, he's a human being he's aloud to do what he wants isnt he?

I agree. --  T H  L  02:06, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I gess thats true. He does drink aswell... so do many other superstars in WWE. John Cena does drink but does not smoke. But yo0u have to say, smoking is worse than drinking? User: Tash4johncena 14.08pm, 20th December 2006

I agree that smoking is worse, but that is my POV, and it doesn't belong in an encyclopedia article. So many people smoke that it really isn't notable to add to an encyclopedia article unless that article is about someone who died from lung cancer or something. Cheers, --  T H  L  14:21, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Exactly if the unfortunte happened and Randy was to pass away from smoking then it should be added but not right now I think we can put this issue to rest. User: the_legendary_one 13:30, 23 December 2006

Don't say things like that! ^^ I was the person who put the picture here. I do not think it should go on Personal Information, I'm sure other wrestlers smokes and it isn't on there Personal Information.

Championship Controversy
What exactly is the controversy? Orton was never referred to as the youngest World Champion in pro wrestling history, only the youngest World Champion in WWE History. Technically speaking, Orton is the youngest World Champion in WWE History. Even though they're two seperate titles, a misunderstanding has taken place. If I'm not mistake, Orton is the youngest wrestler to hold any championship in WWE history. Maybe that's what is meant by him being the youngest WWE Champion in history As far as the statments about him being the youngest WWE Champion in history. I heard Jim Ross state that Orton was the youngest WWE Champion on Raw about a month or so ago but he corrected himself moments later and said that Orton was the youngest World Champion in WWE history, not wanting to give the impression that Orton had held the WWE Championship. The whole thing about combining the WCW and WWF titles into one Undisputed Championship and then splitting them up and having the WWE Championship go back to retaining it's own lineage, retiring the WCW Championship, and then creating the World Championship has always been a source of confusion for some. Both The World and WWE Championship titles have their own seperate and distinct lineage, as stated on WWE.com so the statement about their being some uncertainty as to whether the WWE considers them two seperate titles is completely wrong. If they weren't meant to be different titles, then there'd be one top championship defended by one wrestler. Odin&#39;s Beard 19:35, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Orton is the youngest wrestler to win a world heavyweight championship in the history of the WWE. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.215.29.185 (talk) 19:31, 16 December 2006 (UTC).

There are rumors going around that on April 1st (Randys Birthday) at WrestleMania, The mainevent will be John Cena Vs Randy Orton For the WWE Title? That would be a nice match to watch. I hope its true!! User:Tash4johncena 11.54am, 15Th December 2006

Managers
I was just looking at the Manager's section on the page. I remember Stacy Keibler was a valet manager at one point and also should we put down Triple H? Because of Evolution? Govvy 17:18, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Well is Stacy accompained him to ring side then yes, Triple H no because he wasnt a manager, Flair was Evolution's manager. User: the_legendary_one 13:30, 23 December 2006 :Flair wasn't their manager. He was an actual member of the team. He was more of the 'seasoned veteran' role than the 'JJ Dillion' role. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.128.10.192 (talk) 09:13, 6 February 2007 (UTC).

RKO Picture?
Yeeeeeah, that's not Undertaker. I'm not entirely sure how anyone would be capable of mixing Kurt Angle and The Undertaker up, personally, but I figured I'd drop an FYI. I'd fix it myself, but really, I don't have an inkling of a clue on how to do it and I'd proly mess something up that didn't need it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.128.10.192 (talk) 09:12, 6 February 2007 (UTC).

Randy Orton, WWE Contract??
Have read that Randy Orton's WWE contract expires May 1-07?? Has anybody out there know or hear if Orton or WWE has renewed WWE/Orton contract?? Thanks Chris B. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.233.91.46 (talk) 01:59, 28 February 2007 (UTC).

Well, if he "wins" money in the bank, he would probably go to SmackDown! and challenge the world heavyweight champ. Zerorules677 16:40, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Yea? And what do fortune tellers see in their crystal balls about the Money in the Bank match and who Orton would challenge? B mg 9 1 6 Speak to Me 23:46, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I'm just saying. Gee, don't give some attitude. Zerorules677 17:41, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Ortons Profile Image
I don't believe this is a good representation of Randy Orton. The picture should be changed. Anyone have any photos for use? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Elephantine (talk • contribs) 01:01, 15 March 2007 (UTC).

Orton Married
On his myspace, it states that he is in fact married. Another clue, he's been wearing a ring on his ring finger on RAW or anywhere in public. So, should we put that he's married? Zerorules677 16:43, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

He doesn't have a myspace...that really wasn't him

Randy isn't married, he is engaged to Samantha Speno, the ring is probaly an engagement ring. He is getting married September 21st 07. He also does not have a MySpace, any MySpace what is claim to be him, it is not.

How do you know? Where is that fact at? I doubt he would wear an engagement ring. I'm pretty sure he's married. Zerorules677 17:39, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

He is NOT, I repeat is NOT married www.STLToday.com << Go and that and type in Randy Orton on the search bar and they say he is marryin her THIS FALL! So HA!


 * We have a legit reference for him being engaged and due to marry in Autumn. Until another legit reference supercedes that, that part of the article is staying the same. ŞůṜīΣĻ ¹98¹ Speak 00:31, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Orton is not, for now married. CApitol3 22:35, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

According to the article sourced on his page, it says he and Samantha are getting married THIS fall, which would be the fall of 2007. This needs to be fixed. 71.160.42.57 07:09, 29 May 2007 (UTC)Kate 5/29/07

randy orton is not getting married it said it on his page.

Why does it say that he's married and he has a tattoo of his Wives name? Zenlax 03:37, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Missing details worth mentioning....
Randy Orton almost won a match with Undertaker shortly after he debuted. Nobody remembers this though.

No he didn't!!! Zerorules677 09:41, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

—Yeah i remember that way back in like 20024.68.248.18 03:10, 27 April 2007 (UTC)Diana D

Steriods????
I read on Wrestlezone.com, that in a Sports Illistrated magizine had an article of professianal wrestlers that used or use steriods. Some of the names were, Rey Mysterio, Kurt Angle, Eddie Guerrrero and Randy Orton. The WWE had a response to this but I don't remember everything it said. I don't remember if this article is real or not but, if an article talks about steriod use, about 95% of the time it is true. gameplaya 8:46 31 March 2007.

RKO Picture...
We need a new RKO picture because Randy hitting the RKO is blurry on the Jim Duggan, it doesn't show the move properly... Also should we note about Randy doing an RKO off the ladder at WM23 because that was pretty impressive? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.153.170.213 (talk) 17:52, 9 April 2007 (UTC).

If you can find new freely licensed images to place in the article, then be my guest. Please see WP:IUP and Wikipedia's fair use policy before placing images in articles. Bmg 916 SpeakSign 17:54, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Does the picture work? Zenlax 14:45, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

It works. Thanks =)

Can I put back the RKO picture? Zenlax 14:32, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

What RKO picture?

There's a picture!!! Batmanrules677 01:15, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Can someone plese put up this picture. Image:OrtonRKOwm23.jpg. 208.53.96.27 11:18, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Spelling
Just so you know Shawn Michaels name is spelled wrong at the bottom of the 2006-2007 section. Your right!!!

Randy Orton WWE Status...
While on the European Tour Randy Orton was found passed out in a hotel room, the room was trashed with 30 grand's worth of damage done to it (He obviously had been partying...)

He was sent home from the European Tour, back to the U.S. He will not be at RAW Monday night, he may not be in his WWE Championship match at Backlash, this Sunday's PPV and he may be released, he isn't released yet! - Yasmin

These are RUMOURS. No one knows what happened. The main page should be edited and mention of him trashing a hotel room and the damages deleted as this is NOT confirmed. The top wrestling news sites are even admitting they do NOT know what's happened. People really should not post unconfirmed rumours onto a wiki page.Svgjen 22:52, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, WWE are taking action for "Unproffesional Conduct" Looks like there RUMOURS were true! - Yasmin And also the damage estimated to be around 50 Grand. - Yasmin

Actually we still don't know what really happened and if you trust wrestling news sites (ie. The National Inquirer) for accurate reporting then I guess you'd be right about the damages but personally I don't. Yes he did something. Probably what they're reporting but that's just it PROBABLY. Probably doesn't mean it's so. Unless it's 100% known facts it should not be on the Wiki page and I'm glad that was edited to report what is known as fact at this point in time. Svgjen 21:26, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Allow me to be blunt. Rumours = bullshit. Rumours such as that are of a potentially damaging nature to Randy Orton and will be removed promptly from the article if added without a legitimate reference (see WP:BLP and WP:A). ŞůṜīΣĻ ¹98¹ Speak 00:34, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Crazy Randy
trashing his room causing $30, 000 in damage. Now as cool as he is, that type of stuff can get u fired quick —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dablack (talk • contribs) 04:21, 2 May 2007 (UTC).

Well, that's how some superstars ACT!!! Remember, they like to PARTY!!!! Zerorules677 06:54, 02 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Speaking as someone who was part of a group who trashed our hotel rooms after a company Christmas Ball and were fired within a couple of days I wholeheartedly agree it is very cool but kinda dumb! However I have yet to see any reliable sources on the internet as to what happens (which is a shame because I would really like to know). I have to doubt the magnitude of the incident though after Rhyno got sacked for the simple act of Goring a hotel flower pot. ŞůṜīΣĻ ¹98¹ Speak 23:58, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Maybe IT did HAPPEN and their trying to cover IT up! Zenlax 05:25, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Judgment Day
Was Randy and Shawn's match controversial? Zenlax 10:21, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I saw that match, it was really intense. But, I wouldn't put in the "controversial" category. ThinkBlue 16:21, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Running Kick as a finisher?
Does anyone else think that running kick he has been doing should class as one of his finishers? PayneXKiller 17:33, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

No, because he still uses the RKO. Zenlax 09:57, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok, fine then. PayneXKiller 17:38, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I believe a more suitable term for the 'Running Kick' would be the 'Concussion Kick' as it concussed RVD, HBK & Mick Foley out of action. Sounds much better. Anyone agree? Elephantine

Quality scale
This article is one of the best and most-researched I've seen since joining the WikiProject. I don't know who has the authority to do it, but I think it should definitely be raised a notch to B-class in quality, and even onto GA-class. Unfortunately, I think the article is very strong in references for his career highlights and wrestling history, but very weak in his personal life and his persona as a wrestler.-- S c r e w b a ll 2 3 talk 19:52, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * IMHO there's too much reliance on OWW refs but hey, better than nothing. I'd definitely agree it's above start class on our quality scale though. ŞůṜīΣĻ ¹98¹ Speak 20:23, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe we can nominate it to "Good Article" status!!! I mean, when it gets there!!!  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 16:32, 11 June 2007 (UTC)