Talk:Ranina Reddy

Discography
The Discography is a Table containing the list of songs sung by the Singer. This is a Data which is provided for anyone and everyone to see the list of all songs sung by the Musician in various movies. This Data is available for every Singer and Hence the Table is added. You can check this data, for other singers as well. Thanks. These are data which are available for proof. and Verification. Vithurgod (talk) 10:31, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia does not do so. And this happens to be in Wikipedia.  Cheers. Collect (talk) 12:47, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. So I can add some more data into the TABLE and be confident that it wont get deleted... ?.. Please reassure me, so that my efforts wont go in vain. There are so many songs of the Singer that needs to be added. So, this is Part of Wikipedia and hence there wont be any edit error in this... Pls confirm me so that I can proceed with the same. Thanks Vithurgod (talk) 13:15, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Reread what I posted above. Collect (talk) 13:16, 11 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Collect.. I dont get you... So You mean to say that Discography is a part of Wikipedia and data can be added.. Am i Right ? Vithurgod (talk) 13:21, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Even famous singers do not get full discographies. This one is not as notable as they are.  No discography. Collect (talk) 13:37, 11 April 2012 (UTC)


 * There are a lot of Indian Singers who have their Discography Table. Please check them.. For eg. Naresh Iyer, A.R.Rahman. Please check their wikipedia pages. Everyone has their Discgraphy Table. This Singer Ranina Reddy also has noteworthy songs and hence it should be added. Please look into the wikis mentioned by me. Thanks. Vithurgod (talk) 13:50, 11 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Ranina Reddy singer has more than thirty songs to her list and hence the same needs to be added. It was existing before. Now, it got deleted... Please approve this ... Vithurgod (talk) 13:54, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * If it remains unreferenced, any editor may remove it. Stop spamming search terms in the article titles; it doesn't increase search engine optimization, and makes editors question your WP:Competence to edit. Dru of Id (talk) 02:52, 12 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Its fully with reference . Thanks Vithurgod (talk) 08:29, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

@Collect, I am somewhat baffled by your objection to a full discography. Is there something in policy or guidelines which prevent this? Do you have any examples of famous singers where the article has deliberately limited the discography? WP:MUSIC certainly seems to support the idea of discographies and does not impose any kind of limitation other than notability of the artist.  Spinning Spark  15:02, 12 April 2012 (UTC)


 * @Spinningspark  Thanks... There has been Discographies for all Singers  especially Indian Singers.Vithurgod (talk) 15:53, 12 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I added the entire Discography and the same has been Edited once again..!! Why is this ?. Pls resolve this. Discography is a part of Wikipedia..!! Vithurgod (talk) 08:15, 13 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Additional input and possible assistance may be requested at WikiProject Discographies/Noticeboard. Dru of Id (talk) 14:12, 13 April 2012 (UTC)


 * http://www.in.com/music/artist/ranina-reddy-46853-1.html,http://www.dhingana.com/ranina-reddy-songs-search,http://music.raag.fm/artist-5349-Ranina_Reddy .. There are so many websites which give all her Discography.. Is this enough or you need more to restore it ? Vithurgod (talk) 12:25, 14 April 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vithurgod (talk • contribs)
 * Read the noticeboard - the folks there will help you grasp what is needed. Collect (talk) 12:45, 14 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Every Indian Play back Singer has a table of Discography.. Vithurgod (talk) 09:15, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. If you can show me another article with an unsourced discography, I will be happy to remove it so you can't say it's there.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:03, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I would list the weblink for each and every song.. Then you check if the same can be added.. Vithurgod (talk) 15:11, 28 April 2012 (UTC)


 * @Bbb23 http://raninareddyfans.blogspot.in/ http://www.in.com/music/artist/ranina-reddy-46853-1.html http://www.tollynation.com/music/singer/Ranina_Reddy/list http://www.musiqbuzz.info/songs-download/tamil/singers/ranina-reddy/ http://www.musicmaujmasti.com/Songs-By-Artist-Ranina-Reddy — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vithurgod (talk • contribs) 15:21, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The first link is a fansite and not reliable. All the others except the last link have probable copyright issues. I can't tell what the last link is as there's nothing to indicate what the site is, who created it, or who maintains it - therefore, it's not reliable.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:55, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Whats Happening ?. Why this deletion happening ??? Vithurgod (talk) 15:53, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

@@Bbb23.. Every Indian Playback Singer has a Table of Discgraphy. Check these Pages. 1. Naresh Iyer 2. A.R.Rahman 3. Harini 4. S.P.Balasubramaniam... No One deletes anything there. You are deleting everything here..!! WHY ??? Vithurgod (talk) 17:18, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for pointing out problems in other articles. For Iyer, I've tagged the section as needing sources. If they aren't forthcoming, I'll remove entries that are not supported by articles. For Rahman, he has a separate article, and all the entries have blue links, which, although not perfect, is good enough. Harini is hard because it's not a discography but a filmography with songs in the films. The films have blue links, but one would have to check each film article to see if Harini's involvement is sourced. One of the problems in not sourcing in the article itself but relying on another Wikipedia article. I've tagged the section as needing sources. Balasubrahmanyam is not a singer but a composer, among other things. The stuff about his compositions is not sourced, and I've tagged it.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:43, 28 April 2012 (UTC)


 * @Bbb23. I will provide weblinks for all the songs.. I mean reviews, or some proof for you to include everything back into the Discography. Vithurgod (talk) 03:28, 29 April 2012 (UTC)


 * @Bb23 : Pls see the sites mentioned by me. They are all references for the Discography of the Singer Ranina Reddy. 1. http://www.telugufilms.org/wiki/index.php?title=Chapter_6_Audio_Songs_Track_Listing 2. http://www.tsonglyrics.com/2011/07/maalai-mangum-neram-lyrics-rowthiram.html 3. http://www.magicalsongs.net/2011/01/ko-song-lyrics-tracklist.html#.T57Dn7NDu18 4. http://www.tsonglyrics.com/2010/11/engeyum-kadhal-song-track-list-lyrics.html You can see her name in the songs mentioned .. These are sites, which dont have any Copy Right issues. Its listing the name of the songs . Vithurgod (talk) 16:57, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Source #1 doesn't mention Reddy. Lyrics websites also implicate copyright violations as lyrics are copyrighted.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:34, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

OK, enough of this edit warring in the article. From now on I will consider blocking anyone who edits the discography section (either adding or removing) without first establishing consensus on this page. Consensus means agreement, not just stating on the page that you are going to do it. Exceptions only for cases that require immediate removal under policy such as WP:BLP. Note that WP:COPYVIO does not always require immediate removal - please follow the guidance given on the policy page.  Spinning Spark  16:25, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
 * If that's the way you prefer to handle the problems created by Vithurgod, then I'm bowing out. Even though it's a lot of work, I have been remarkably patient and civil with him as I think he sincerely wants to improve the article, but if I have to obtain a consensus to remove each new source he comes up with in support of adding songs to the discography, that pushes me across the line. You may be right as a matter of pure technical policy, but practically speaking it's too much time taken away from other things. Perhaps others will be willing to spend the time. As an aside, as Collect pointed out at the top, it's not even clear she should have a discography, although the standards on that sort of thing are pretty mushy.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:45, 1 May 2012 (UTC)


 * @Bbb23 ... Please let me know as to what Sort of Reference is needed for the Discography ?. and Why do you feel, she doesnt need a Discography. She has so many Songs to her Credit. All Indian Play Back Singers are having their Discography.. Please tell me. Thanks Vithurgod (talk) 03:55, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The best kinds of sources would be those that discuss a song or songs rather than just a list of them. For example, a review of the song, or the film in which the song is, or the album, whatever. In that way, not only will you be able to list the song, but the source also makes the song more noteworthy. Always keeping in mind that the source has to be reliable - meaning, as illustrations, it can't be a personal website or a blog. As for not having a discography at all, some editors believe that lists of any kind are inherently problematic as there's nothing to indicate why every thing the singer (or author or whatever) did was important enough to include in their article. As an extreme example, let's say a singer recorded 3,000 songs, would we really want a list of 3,000 entries? Thus, keeping the works of the subject in the prose part of the article provides context and depth as to the the singer's works. Finally, you should avoid websites that exist to share songs or share lyrics as most of them will have copyright issues.--Bbb23 (talk) 04:12, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

@Bbb23 Thanks for the Suggestion. I would collect Music reviews data from sites and provode it here for your perusal. Vithurgod (talk) 10:56, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

@Bbb23 Pls see these sites. These sites are Music Reviews of the songs Sung by Singer Ranina Reddy. They are sites, which satisfy your criteria of proof for her singing.. 1. http://tamil.way2movies.com/review_music/Rowthiram-Music-Review--Refreshing,-Simple-and-soft!-16279-105293.html 2. http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/telugu/musicreview/12396.html 3. http://www.thamarai.com/news-details.php?id=231 4. http://www.ragalahari.com/movies/musicreview/3526/dhada-music-review.aspx 5. http://www.myfirstshow.com/news/view/9464/SMS-Audio-Review.html Pls read them and Pls come to a CONSCENSUS in the Discography... Thanks.. Vithurgod (talk) 14:19, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know whether any of these are reliable sources, but only the second link has probable copyright issues. So, from my point of view, you can add those songs that are supported by the other links. I'd wait at least 24 hours from now to make sure no one disagrees with me.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:51, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

@Bbb23. The Second Site is also a Reliable Source. Its a Site which has all music reviews. Thanks for allowing this. Every Song of hers, has a Site to substantiate the fact that she has sung the song and we have music reviews for each and every song. Thanks. Vithurgod (talk) 03:49, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Vithurgod, there are so many things wrong with what you've done to the article in this edit, it's hard to know where to start. In no particular order, first, you waited only a few hours for others to contribute to this discussion, hardly a sign of someone who is interested in consensus. Second, your statement about the second link has no basis. That website permits users to listen to the songs listed on it. Clicking on the song links goes to another site (which I can't access at the moment because of "internal server errors"), but my assumption is there is no permission from the song's copyright owners for users to listen to these songs, which would be a copyright violation. Third, the websites appear to have support for her involvement in maybe one song each (one website isn't clear to me), yet you've added a long list of songs that are unsupported. And, finally, you haven't even added the sources to the article. Please revert your edit and do this properly.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:33, 5 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I have requested Vithurgod to self-revert their edit. If they do not do so after 24 hours I will not consider a revert by someone else to be edit warring if consensus has still not been achieved on this page.  Spinning  Spark  14:02, 5 May 2012 (UTC)


 * @Bbb23. I have self reverted my edit.. Yes. You are right. 1. I will wait for Conscensus in the Page 2. I will provide Music reviews for all the songs, she has sung till date. 3. I will add all the sources which I am providing. Would that be enough ?? Vithurgod (talk) 15:02, 5 May 2012 (UTC)


 * @Spinning Spark. I wont add anything, till Conscensus is achieved.. Thanks Vithurgod (talk) 15:02, 5 May 2012 (UTC)


 * @Bbb23. Pls see these websites. These are sites, which dont have any Copyright issues. These Sites are listing the Songs sung by her. Pls check them. 1.  This is for the movie " Current" 2.   ( This reference lists all the songs she has sung. Pls See).  I will wait for the Conscensus. Thanks Vithurgod (talk) 15:24, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

@@ Bbb23 : Can we come to a Concensus in this Please ?. Thanks Vithurgod (talk) 03:34, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * See my comments on Spinningspark's Talk page.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:19, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Vithurgod, Spinningspark meant to add the table as a table, complete with references, not a long string of text without sources that no one could read even if it did have sources.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:34, 12 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Bbb23 Pls see the TABLe below and I shall provide references... The References may be websites, which may discuss the song, or just list the songs as a proof that she had sung it... Pls check it out

Year	Film	Songs	Language	Composer 2008	Silandhi	"Idhu Kadhal Minsarama"	Tamil	Karthik 2008	Jaal The Net	“Mere Paas Aajao Na”	Hindi	Karthik 2008	Saroja	“Kodana Kodi”	Tamil	Yuvan Shankar Raja 2008	Saroja	“Kureedu Lady”	Telugu	Yuvan Shankar Raja 2009	Current	"Rekkalu"	Telugu	Devi Sri Prasad 2009	U and I	“D for Dance”	Telugu	Karthik 2009	Chapter 6	Lakka Pidathala	Telugu	P.C.Sivan 2009	Sarai Veeraraju	Atreyapuram	Telugu	Sree Sai 2009	Vettatam	Thootukudi Ranida	Tamil	Sree Sai 2009	Quick Gun Murugan	Murugan Super Star	Tamil 	Raghu Dixit 2009	Bayam Ariyan	Dhara Dhiri	Tamil	P.C.Sivan 2010	Orange	Ola Olaala ALa	Telugu	Harris Jayaraj 2010	Singa Vettai	“Neeyum Naanum”	Tamil	Sandeep Chowta 2010	Arumbu Meesai Kurumbu Parvai	Varugiran Kamadhoothan	Tamil	Mohammed Rizwan 2010	Drohi	Konjam Konja Vendum	Tamil	V. Selvaganesh 2011	Ko	Aga Naga Naga	Tamil	Harris Jayaraj 2011	Rangam	Aga Naga Naga	Telugu	Harris jayaraj 2011	Engeyum Kadhal	Engeyum Kadhal	Tamil	Harris Jayaraj 2011	Engeyum Kadhal	Thee Illai	Tamil	Harris jayaraj 2011	Engeyum Kadhal	Bathing at Cannes	Tamil	Harris Jayaraj 2011	Rowthiram	Maalai Mangum Neram	Tamil	Prakash Nikki 2011	Roudram	Maatey Raani	Telugu	Prakash Nikki 2011	Daggaraga Duranga	“Kallu Kochaveyy”	Telugu	Raghu Kunche 2011	Dhada	Bhoome Gundranga	Telugu	Devi Sri Prasad 2011	Veera	Veera Veera	Telugu	Thaman S 2011	Kandareega	Angelina	Telugu	Thaman S 2011	Dhookudu	Adara Adara Adaragottu	Telugu	Thaman S 2011	Jhalak	Manasu Manasutho	Telugu	S.A.Rajkumar 2011	Thulli Ezhandadhu Kaadhal	Raagam Edhadhu Teriyadhu	Tamil	Bobo Shashi 2011	Thulli Ezhandadhu Kaadhal	Cmon Cmon	Tamil	Bobo Shashi 2011	Mudhal Idam	Mudhal Idam	Tamil	D.Imman 2011	Engeyum Eppothum	Govinda Govinda	Tamil	C.sathya 2011	Journey	Govinda Govinda 	Telugu	C.Sathya 2012	SMS	Idhi Nijamey	Telugu	V. Selvaganesh 2012	Krishnaveni Panjalai	Un Kangal Kannadi	Tamil	N.R.Raghunathan 2012	Cassanovva	Theme song	Malayalam	Gopisunder 2012	Ninnu Chooste Love Vasthundhi	"Ennalugano"	Telugu	Harris Jayaraj 2012	Ninnu Chooste Love Vasthundhi	"Segaledhu Pogaledhu"	Telugu	Harris Jayaraj

2012	Ninnu Chooste Love Vasthundhi	“Bathing at Cannes’	Telugu	Harris Jayaraj 2012	Endukante Premanta	“Kicko Gicko”	Telugu	G.V.Prakash Kumar

I cant paste a Table here with Grid... But this is the Table Format... These are all the songs sung by her and there are ample proof that she had sung these songs... Pls allow all this to be added without any changes.. Thanks Vithurgod (talk) 09:14, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

To everyone. Please don't continue an edit war over whether or not the table should be on the talk page. Moving an edit war from the article to talk is not exactly helping to resolve the situation. I have added some help on table formatting on Vithurgod's talk page.  Spinning Spark  10:47, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't call it an "edit war". That said, I'll wait until Vithurgod can format the table properly so it's readable. I'm sincerely trying to be helpful here, but this back-and-forth without any real progress is tiring. Also, the above "table", which I can see better in this edit box, has no sources in it. Even if it were formatted properly, what exactly is the point?--Bbb23 (talk) 15:46, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I will leave Vithurgod some help on properly formatting citations as well.  Spinning Spark  16:39, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Spinning Spark Bbb23... This is the Table of Discography that I would like to add and I shall be providing references for the songs. Almost all songs have references, i.e. Music Reviews... Vithurgod (talk) 16:55, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * When you have references, add them to the table above and let us know you've done so. I'll look at it after you've done that.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:59, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I will try to add references to as many songs as possible... Thanks BBbb23 . Vithurgod (talk) 17:51, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

I noticed the added refs. It will take me some time to go through them, so please be patient. But just a couple of preliminary observations (based on the first two entries on the table). Can you find a reliable source to add to the article that she's also known as Ranina Sagar and Ranina Reddy Sagar? Otherwise, we can't use sources that use those names. Also, the source has to support all the information in the table entry, not just the song itself. Finally, the fact that I can play the song on the second reference (cinegoer) presents copyright issues.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:54, 16 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Bbb23... I would be patient. Pls go through them. Her name is Ranina Reddy. also Called as Ranina. Sagar is the Co - Singer and in that song he has also sung, and hence his name is also included.. When you see the Source, it supports all the entry pertaining to that particular song in the Table Entry. You are able to play the song,,, as the song is present there for Online listening and not Download. Downloading sites alone have copyright issues. Online Listening of songs in India doesnt come under the parlance of Copyright issues. Pls see her name in the song and these sites are references to prove that she has sung that song and needs to find an entry into her Discography... Thanks Vithurgod (talk) 06:57, 17 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Bbb23.... Can we arrive at an Conscensus ?. I think, I have waited enough.... Thanks. Vithurgod (talk) 05:12, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Vithurgod, unless someone else jumps in, you're just going to have to be patient - I've been super busy with other things. As for what she is called, you need a source that she goes by other names. Otherwise, there is no way to connect her legitimately to the source for the song under the other name. As for copyright, you are wrong - available for listening is also a copyright violation (the song was copied to be available). We can't use those sites without clear permission of licensing. I'd appreciate it if you would fix those things before I review the sources.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:42, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

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