Talk:Raquel Welch/Archive 1

Cat:Sex symbols
Image:Playboy December 1979.jpg

Do we have a WP:CITEation for the playboy "most desired woman"? To have a Reliable source that names her as a sex symbol like that will have satisfied WP:V for the category. - brenneman (t) (c)  22:23, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Unused image
This image was used on the "Entertainers who performed for troops during the Vietnam War" category page; that category has been deleted. If the image isn't used somewhere, it will be deleted. I just thought you'd like the opportunity to make use of it; however, in a quick scan of the article, there doesn't seem to be a mention that she performed in USO shows in Vietnam. &mdash; DomBot  talk  ;  Chidom  talk, owner/operator. 19:58, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
 * This image lacks better source info. It's says it's from "Library of Congress Prints & Photographs Division.", but no link or refernce number is given, so the info can't be verified. As this image is very likely public domain, I will try to find it in the LOC website and update that info, and then, use the image. If someone already knows the link for this image in the LOC website, please shre this info. --Abu Badali 20:08, 9 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Unfortunatelly, searching for raquel welch on LOC Prints &amp; Photographs Online Catalog doesn't returns this image :( . --Abu Badali 20:22, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Marriage of Damon Welch & Rebecca Truman
I've updated the main article with more details of this wedding and Ms Welch's lateness - she was all over the cover of the UK's Daily Telegraph for doing this (I believe in 1991). I believe the admission that she was late on purpose came from either the Sunday Express Magazine or the Sunday Telegraph magazine around the time Welch was appearing in the stage play "The Millionairess" in the UK. I think this would have been the mid 90s but so far I haven't been able to track down the source. Appliance matt 11:14, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Biography assessment rating comment
WikiProject Biography Assessment

The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 00:45, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Birth place ?
Was she born in Peru, or Chicago ?

The body of the article says she was born in Peru, but the infobox says Chicago... --Penultimate Grrl (talk) 03:02, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Nude?
there is a line in the article that states that she never posed nude for any movie or magazine, but I have seen black and white candid fully nude picture from perhaps the early 70's, so wouldn't this be considered "posing nude"?


 * She was also nude in two films. I have removed the line. Anyone can obviously change it if they see fit, but I have referenced the films in the change notes. Go watch them if you don't believe me!--24.111.183.32 (talk) 05:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Irish American ?
A few sources have stated that Raquel Welch is of Irish ancestry on her mothers side without providing details, sources etc.

Checking rootsweb.com, I've found that much of her maternal lineage has been traced back to early New England families and,further back,to seventeenth century English settlers.The European heritage of some of her other maternal ancestors is not clear but no Irish surnames are evident. Her mothers people have been in the USA for many generations.

Without more solid evidence, I don't think that it is appropriate to list her as Irish-American. Burawick (talk) 21:14, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

This is very true, there are many books and sources stating that she has Irish roots..this may be true, but ive only seen her stat that her mother was 'Anglo' and that her heritage goes back to John Adams....who had english roots....if she has irish roots she hasnt mentioned it at all. she has stated that her father is a bolivian of spanish descent but this has been reverted for some reason as not vadid enough, even though she stats this in a 2010 interview, see the sources that can be read. Interview. and Her Book digital read preview. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.179.173.92 (talk) 00:55, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Deletions
Deleters of cited content, read all of WP:BURDEN: "It has always been good practice to make reasonable efforts to find supporting sources yourself and cite them." Lazy deletions such as this one are unwelcome. If a claim is true and harmless, but the sole source is unreliable, use Dubious or Citation needed. --Lexein (talk) 01:36, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Proposal to Include Latina as Ms. Welch's Ethnicity
Per an 11 June 2002 New York Times article, I propose that Raquel Welch's ethnicity include the term Latina.

"'Latinos are here to stay,' she told her audience at a National Press Club luncheon last month. 'As citizen Raquel, I'm proud to be Latina.'"

I propose that the opening line be changed to: "Raquel Welch (born Jo Raquel Tejada; September 5, 1940) is an American Latina actress." Let's discuss. MiztuhX (talk) 18:42, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Hispanic?
It should be mentioned in the article that she is hispanic, perhaps under ethnicity in the infobox — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.189.66.149 (talk) 00:39, 31 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Not latin hispanic, The father is spanish for Europe(White)


 * Yes, Ms. Welch's father is Bolivian, of Spanish descent. But this article is not about her father, it is about Raquel Welch.  She has plainly stated in a New York Times interview that she self-identifies as "Latina."  I believe this should be stated in her Wikipedia article:  in the infobox, introduction, or a section of its own (perhaps, all 3)., MiztuhX (talk) 21:15, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

birthplace?
Infobox has "California, United States" and article text "Chicago, Illinois". Is there actual evidence for California? The text suggests she moved later to California. There are 3 cites after the Chicago part, though they are all after the next sentence, not the first one. 88.114.246.209 (talk) 19:41, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

American actress and singer.
What did she sing ?? --Les Meloures (talk) 11:35, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
 * If you look at the section of the article headed "Broadway and singing career" you'll find out. RGCorris (talk) 15:44, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Birth template not updating
She was born Sept. 5, 1940. Today is Sept 5, 2019. How is it that the automatic age-updater is saying 78 and not 79? --65.78.8.103 (talk) 18:13, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Relevant links should be added to the 'See also' section of the article
In my opinion, relevant links should be added to the 'See also' section as it is currently empty. Xboxsponge15 (talk) 09:55, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Trivia Change.
I removed the trivia bit about Raquel appearing on Monty Python.

Whereas Raquel is mentioned several times on Monty Python’s Flying Circus … she never appeared on the show. The episode with Ringo Starr also featured Lulu, not Raquel. The original poster may have been confusing the film, “The Magic Christian”, which featured Ringo, a cameo by Raquel, and was co-written / cameoed by John Cleese & Graham Chapman of Monty Python.75.107.41.198 (talk) 00:14, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Movies. She was also in "Grumpier Old Men" with A huge cast of stars
Place this please 120.28.189.27 (talk) 00:17, 16 February 2023 (UTC)


 * She was not. You’re thinking of Ann-Margret. Rcarter555 (talk) 00:56, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

What image should we choose?
Recently I've noticed that a lot of people have been switching the image for Welch. Which should we use? I'm hoping we can settle this here first. I'm open to every idea  Invading Invader  (userpage, talk) 00:21, 17 February 2023 (UTC) I think an image from the awesome movie FATHOM72.133.186.186 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 16:05, 23 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @InvadingInvader I don't care, but it is customary after someone passes to change the image to one of them in their prime. So something in the 1960's I'd say. Nswix (talk) 16:31, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

We need a gallery to compare the candidates. So far we've had the following:

The latter is a crop of a picture at Commons which seems quite striking so I'm trying it right now. Per the ITN discussion, has a suggestion too and there may be more... Andrew🐉(talk) 10:57, 17 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Also additional two images. IP address (talk) 15:02, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've consolidated them into the gallery for uniformity, ok? Andrew🐉(talk) 17:01, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * 3rd image is my preferred one personally. It still represents Welch in a relative period of primeness, and it has a much better resolution than other images, especially when compared to the 1976 image  Invading Invader  (userpage, talk) 18:11, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * None your options are good. IMO this one is the most fitting File:Raquel_Welch_in_The_Biggest_Bundle_of_Them_All.jpg. Infobox photo needs to be from an era of her peak popularity/power. Other people also shouldn't be in the photo.IceFrappe (talk) 20:06, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * My primary concern is resolution with these "prime images", and I would say that the third image more than makes up for lost "primeness" in quality.  Invading Invader  (userpage, talk) 23:11, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * What about the issue of B&W vs colour? The colour images suggested seem much richer and more vibrant than the B&W ones. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:20, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I would agree with this…it's an unmentioned benefit of the newer images.  Invading Invader  (userpage, talk) 22:31, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Black and white vs. colored shouldn't be a consideration at all. When an older person is living, the infobox photo is always the most recent photo (colored). As soon as that person dies, the infobox photo immediately gets changed to photo of his/her at peak popularity (often black and white). Some examples include Kirk Douglas (B&W infobox photo from 1963, died in 2020), Fidel Castro (B&W infobox photo from 1959, died in 2016), Muammar Gaddafi (B&W infobox photo from 1970, died in 2011), Bhumibol Adulyadej ((B&W infobox photo from 1960, died in 2016), Robert Mugabe (B&W infobox photo from 1979, died in 2019), Slobodan Milošević (B&W infobox photo from 1988, died in 2006), and Daniel arap Moi ((B&W infobox photo from 1979, died in 2020). Sure Elizabeth II's current infobox photo is in color, but it is a formal portrait from 1959 instead of a photo in the 21st century when she was elderly. It would be against overwhelming precedent to use a 21st century photo for Welch.IceFrappe (talk) 23:34, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Is there a citable consensus discussion where black and white is explicitly preferred? The image doesn't look as professional or high quality, unlike the other pages you cited (and also WP:OSE isn't a valid argument in most cases). Just a few weeks ago, I became involved in a discussion on ANI where an editor was topic banned for bludgeoning discussions and responding to every comment, especially for bludgeoning one where he failed to explicitly cite a specific discussion where a consensus was held. I don't want to see the same thing happen here.  Invading Invader  (userpage, talk) 18:12, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Images 2, 4, and 5 all have other people in them in difficult-to-crop areas so I'd scratch them immediately. Image 8 (the current) is just terrible; she's looking to the side. Images 1 and 6 are really low resolution. To me that leaves image 3 (the original standard) and 7. I'm breaking towards Image 7 as it's the highest resolution and not that far off from her career peak. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 18:35, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Image 7 is from 2000. Her peak as a movie star was the late '60s to early 70s, so you're talking 30 years after her peak.IceFrappe (talk) 23:37, 20 February 2023 (UTC)


 * 3rd image is my preference. It's in color, high-res, and is instantly recognizable as Ms Welch. Shearonink (talk) 02:55, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Color shouldn't be a consideration whatsoever. When an older person is living, the infobox photo is always the most recent photo (colored). As soon as that person dies, the infobox photo immediately gets changed to photo of his/her at peak popularity (often black and white). Examples include Kirk Douglas (B&W infobox photo from 1963, died in 2020), Fidel Castro (B&W infobox photo from 1959, died in 2016), Muammar Gaddafi (B&W infobox photo from 1970, died in 2011), Bhumibol Adulyadej ((B&W infobox photo from 1960, died in 2016), Robert Mugabe (B&W infobox photo from 1979, died in 2019), Slobodan Milošević (B&W infobox photo from 1988, died in 2006), and Daniel arap Moi ((B&W infobox photo from 1979, died in 2020). Sure Elizabeth II's current infobox photo is in color, but it's a formal portrait from 1959 rather than a photo in the 21st century when she was elderly. It would be against overwhelming precedent to use a 21st century photo for Welch.IceFrappe (talk) 23:37, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Image 1 It's not that bad and it goes back to that rule of adding images of people when they're at the prime of their career much like other deceased celebrities. The current image used is not bad either. --2601:249:8E00:420:31D0:A668:6DF:B562 (talk) 21:17, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Image 1, It's not that bad and follows the black and white example that other dead celebrities followed. --38.106.246.198 (talk) 17:49, 22 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Some of these pictures have no right being mentioned; the first image should be chosen because it shows her whole face (not just one side of it) and shows her when she was most famous. Sir Jack Hopkins (talk) 21:15, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Image 3 File:RaquelWelchApr2010.jpg is the obvious choice. -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 16:27, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Movie credits
Need to add “Fantastic Voyage” to Raquel’s movie credits 72.9.83.138 (talk) 03:57, 1 December 2023 (UTC)


 * It's the second line. -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 04:01, 1 December 2023 (UTC)