Talk:Rare Replay/Archive 1

Rash for Killer Instinct 2013
Info here:. You seem to have to own Rare Replay and fire up battletoads once to unlock him. Is it worth mentioning in the article proper? Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 18:51, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

killer instinct gold requires a patch to install
it is not the only one that requires that. please find out what the rest is and update the article.84.213.45.196 (talk) 15:56, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Reception paragraph comments
Per the current FAC discussion, here are some thoughts on one of the reception paragraphs. Here's every sentence in one of the paragraphs (the "exclusion" one) broken out, with comments below.


 * 1) Critics were disappointed at the exclusion of Donkey Kong Country, GoldenEye 007, and Diddy Kong Racing, which they considered among the company's best games, but an inevitable absence due to licensing issues.
 * 2) Other reviewers were not as disappointed, and felt that the package was fine without them.
 * 3) The Kotaku reviewer found that the package's omission of Nintendo franchises and Kinect Sports hurt its overall continuity, such as understanding how Conker was a response to the "cutesy" Nintendo characters of its predecessors.
 * 4) The reviewer discerned that Rare Replay was, in part, "image rehabilitation for a studio that had stopped making classic games many years ago", and hoped that the package was a sign of commitment to more "deep and daring games" in Rare's future.
 * 5) Ars Technica's critic lamented that GoldenEye was yet to receive any remaster or rerelease while Donkey Kong Country was rereleased on Nintendo's Virtual Console.
 * 6) He was impressed by Microsoft's ability to license from publishers including Tradewest, Nintendo, Milton Bradley, and Electronic Arts, but noted that Rare's Super Nintendo-era games were unrepresented and was upset to see Rare's "Mario Kart clones" and It's Mr. Pants! left out.
 * 7) Eurogamer's reviewer considered the compilation a feat in an era where consoles were receiving endless re-releases.
 * 8) He was surprised to see Rare's style remain consistent over time, and compared the company's legacy to that of Cosgrove Hall.
 * 9) Philip Kollar (Polygon) said that the selections represented Rare's full gamut.

A couple of points first.
 * The first sentence lists some games for which there were licensing difficulties, but I can't tell if there were licensing issues with the other omitted games -- mentioned in 3 & 6.
 * Do we really need 5 at all? It's really a parenthetical comment on the part of the reviewer, isn't it, with no direct relevance to Rare Replay?
 * Why are 7 and 8 in this paragraph? They seem to be more about the overall release; unless I'm missing something, they don't say anything about what was included or excluded.  I initially thought 4 shouldn't be here, but on reading the source I see why it's included, so perhaps the same is true for these two.

If those sentences were to be moved elsewhere, and assuming that the later mentions of omissions were not to do with licensing, here's a draft rewrite. I think it's likely that my ignorance of gaming means some of the rephrasing I've done may be just wrong, so please forgive that. I'm not going to claim this is an improvement -- I'm posting it for discussion, since I tried to construct it with a bit more flow than I see in the current paragraph.

"The decision to include only 30 games inevitably meant that many favourites were excluded, though Philip Kollar (Polygon) felt that the selection nevertheless represented 'a full spectrum of genres and creative capabilities'. Many critics lamented the omission for licensing reasons of Donkey Kong Country, GoldenEye 007, and Diddy Kong Racing, which they considered among the company's best games, though some reviewers felt the compilation was strong even without these titles. Also omitted were games featuring Nintendo franchise characters, and all of Rare's Kinect Sports games.  The Kotaku reviewer argued that these omissions, which meant no games from after 2008 were included, obscured some of the 'key rhythms in the studio's three-decade sympony', such as understanding how Conker was a response to the 'cutesy' Nintendo characters of its predecessors.  He suggested that since the games Rare had released in the last few years were 'forgettable', the omissions were intended as 'image rehabilitation for a studio that had stopped making classic games many years ago', and were a sign that Microsoft was committed to going back to 'the kind of deep and daring games this collection contains'. The Ars Technica critic instead listed It's Mr. Pants! and Rare's 'Mario Kart clones' as games he would have liked to see included. He was impressed by Microsoft's ability to license from publishers including Tradewest, Nintendo, Milton Bradley, and Electronic Arts, but noted that Rare's Super Nintendo-era games were unrepresented."

Comments? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 19:58, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * , good points. I recast the two paragraphs as one on the merits of your reorg. (In answer to your questions, I struck 5, 7, 9—they were more interesting as I was composing than relevant to the final section. Likely wouldn't have realized that without your rewrite.) I think the one danger here is generalizing too much from individual sources so as to avoid your "A said B" conundrum, but I think this recast solves any disjointedness. czar  20:44, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's a definite improvement. I've read through and fixed a couple of tiny things; I don't see anything else to improve.  Good luck with the FAC. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 21:25, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

GoldenEye inclusion
Just discovered this, which might be worth noting: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/11/leaked-goldeneye-007-documentary-suggests-it-nearly-launched-on-xbox-after-all/. GoldenEye was intended for inclusion and the Rare Revealed interviews were even completed. JOE BRO  64  19:43, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Nice find! I don't recall seeing this. My first reaction is that I'm not sure what would belong in the article—that a credible leak later showed that Goldeneye 007 documentary videos were produced to include in the compilation? Feels too close to reporting on a rumor unless there is something substantive/analytic to say about its production and exclusion, no? czar  02:49, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It's an interesting find, but I don't think this means Goldeneye was ever intended for in-game inclusion. As the article says, Rare also filmed a Revealed piece for It's Mr. Pants, which was never indicated to have been on the list. If I had to guess, it's more likely that this was meant to be a similar "bonus" documentary. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 13:22, 13 May 2020 (UTC)