Talk:Rat Pack

Opening comment
Joey Bishop was also a member of the Rat Pack.

Antonio Modern Rat Martin

Ashton Kutcher
Is it worth adding Ashton Kutcher's brief flirtation with calling himself and P Diddy the new Rat Pack? matt kane&#39;s brain 13:52, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think so.
 * I don't think the article is worthwhile. What a bunch of bloody unencyclopedic nonsense. 76.102.1.193 (talk) 22:51, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

female Rat Packers?
Could somebody educate me on this? I though the Rat Pack name was bestowed on 'only' Sinatra, Martin, Davis, Lawford and Bishop? GoodDay 16:10, 20 October 2007 (UTC) I would also have thought that, after Shirley McLaine, Angie Dickinson was the gal most associated with them Plutonium27 (talk) 00:01, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

This issue has not been resolved. I removed the un-sourced entry that is in question. It was tagged several months ago as needing a source, but none was provided. If there is support for this idea, please post it on the discussion page for comments and review. 173.75.210.73 (talk)

Fifties Pack
The article is incomplete in its depiction of the origins of "The Rat Pack" in the 1950s. In fact, it skips altogether the beginnings of this social group with actors Humphrey Bogart, Lauren Bacal, Judy Garland, et. al. --Satyricrash (talk) 07:17, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Additionally, mention of the origin of the nickname would be nice. --71.227.113.171 (talk) 05:03, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Added some facts about origins and developments after the passing of Bogart in 1957 when Sinatra became engaged to Bacall.Kotofski (talk) 21:57, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

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Sal Mineo
Only mentioned once in the article, as a member, with no citation. The Wikipedia article about Mineo doesn't say he's part of the Rat Pack.Arnold Rothstein1921 (talk) 15:22, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Took Sal off the list.Arnold Rothstein1921 (talk) 04:53, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

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Music
This is good "Christmas with the Rat Pack, a collection of holiday tunes sung by Sinatra, Martin and Davis, was released in 2001. The Ultimate Rat Pack Collection: Live & Swingin' went on sale in 2003. A concert featuring the three men, Live from the Sands in Las Vegas, also is available on CD."

I also own two CDs - The Clan in Chicago and Welcome to the Rat Pack.

I would add them to the entry, but I do not know what the criteria is here...do they have to be "official" releases for this mention? Thanks! FiggazWithAttitude (talk) 15:25, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Rat Pack transformation
The Rat Pack group undergone several transformations. The best-known transformation happened under the leadership of Frank Sinatra.

In 1957, after the passing of Humphrey Bogart, Frank Sinatra and Lauren Bacall became engaged and planned a marriage while living together in Sinatra's homes. Frank Sinatra became the Rat Pack leader from 1957 on. By the end of the 1950s, the Rat Pack evolved into an informal production group whose members united their star power to support each other's careers. At that time, the Rat Pack activities expanded to Las Vegas where members performed regular gigs and helped each other by making unannounced appearances to impress the audiences. In 1958, Sinatra, Martin, and MacLaine starred in Some Came Running (film). At the same time in 1958, a story about a series of Las Vegas casino robberies circulated among entertainers, so Peter Lawford bought the rights and Frank Sinatra became interested in the idea. Several members of the Rat Pack who were regulars in Vegas, were naturally fit to lead the cast of characters in the upcoming production, including Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Sammy Davis Jr., Peter Lawford, and Joey Bishop. and also Angie Dickinson, Cesar Romero, and Shirley McLaine. A variety of writers worked on the project, titled Ocean's 11, and the production was set to begin in January 1960. Thus the movie Ocean's 11 documented the second incarnation of the Rat Pack that evolved during the 1950s and 1960s.Kotofski (talk) 21:57, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Together Again Tour
This article says, about the March 13 performance of the Together Again Tour “ Davis opened the show, followed by Martin and then Sinatra”. There is footage from the show on YouTube, and it seems Martin opened. So is the info correct? Ivo Goedhart (talk) 23:01, 10 January 2023 (UTC)