Talk:Rat Trap

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BetacommandBot (talk) 22:30, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Saxophones and safety pins
A song more influenced by a host of other 70s mainstream acts rather than punk? Punk saxophone? What are the recognisable influencess? What is new wave about it? Tsinfandel (talk) 12:44, 31 October 2009 (UTC)


 * A very good question. Aside from the vocal delivery and the subject matter it's not very punk at all. It's more like a prog-rock concept album rolled into a single song. It's very sophisticated in its construction with seven or eight distinct sections, very far from the rock'n'roll idiom of verse:bridge:chorus. The production standards are high, the musicianship is good. And yet it still manages to be a memorable pop song - they say punk needed progressive rock to react against. It does deserve some deeper analysis.The Yowser (talk) 08:45, 13 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Continuing the discussion after seven years... even the subject matter isn't necessarily punk. Lyrically it's kind of like about half the songs on Springsteen's "Born to Run" album (which is three years older than this song) rolled into one. One of those songs, "Night", even has the phrase "rat trap" (actually, "rat traps"), where the "rats" are people. And it has a sax solo. It's the vocal that makes "Rat Trap" punk, or at least punk-ish.  Neutron (talk) 17:22, 31 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Agreed. The song "Born to Run" has the saxophone as well. And there's some "Sultans of Swing" (released May 1978) in there as well. Acorrector (talk) 22:35, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

TotP
One of the few songs, if not the only song, to mention Top of the Pops, while appearing on the programme. Can we find a citation for this? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:39, 8 September 2012 (UTC)